The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[On the huh]

Waiting for the announcement from the PM tonight.  May not be lockdown, but all parts of England into Tier 4.  Although that is close to full lockdown.

[Julie]

10 minutes ago, On the huh said:

Waiting for the announcement from the PM tonight.  May not be lockdown, but all parts of England into Tier 4.  Although that is close to full lockdown.

Press speculating that all schools maybe shut down for a while

[On the huh]

Lockdown!

[Luisabola]

Lockdown again in UK. No schools open. No editing your house unless a good reason (medical reason, food shopping, exercise). I bet there will be stockpiling the loo rolls next. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Lee49]

https://globalnews.ca/news/7553450/coronavirus-hospital-inflatable-costume/

 

Tree costume suspected in deadly COVID-19 outbreak at California hospital

 

 An employee in an inflatable tree costume may have caused a COVID-19 super-spreader event at a hospital in California, where one person has now died and 43 other staffers have been infected since Christmas Day.

The costume included two air-circulating fans that may have spread virus-infected droplets at a gathering of emergency-room staff, according to a statement from the Kaiser Permanente San Jose Medical Center in San Jose, Calif.

 

What a way to cheer people up!

[Tbs77]

Oh well....

Arizona currently has the highest per-capita rate of new Covid-19 infections, with 785 cases per 100,000 people over the past seven days. That rate not only leads the U.S., but is the highest in the world, according to NBC News data. For comparison, the Czech Republic, the country with the highest per-capita rate of infection, has reported 653 cases per 100,000 over the past seven days.

https://apple.news/A9ZgemBQ5TFW8tVXlMm5jfw

[Tbs77]

Oh well....

Arizona currently has the highest per-capita rate of new Covid-19 infections, with 785 cases per 100,000 people over the past seven days. That rate not only leads the U.S., but is the highest in the world, according to NBC News data. For comparison, the Czech Republic, the country with the highest per-capita rate of infection, has reported 653 cases per 100,000 over the past seven days.

https://apple.news/A9ZgemBQ5TFW8tVXlMm5jfw

That's not even calculating the holiday parties... Like this one:

Gilbert homeowner and hosts could face criminal charges after having huge NYE party

Hundreds of kids partied at a Gilbert home on New Year's Eve, and now the hosts and homeowner could end up in court facing criminal charges.

Arizona's Family first told you about this party last week after the hosts were caught selling tickets to the event on Venmo.
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https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/gilbert-homeowner-and-hosts-could-face-criminal-charges-after-having-huge-nye-party/article_0cc96418-4f03-11eb-9598-0b16f0df921f.amp.html

[rocket]

Sadly now 8% of our Congregation have contracted the Corona Virus.  The last brother that got it didn't believe that it was as bad as it is made out to be in the news.  His family came up from California to Oregon to visit and brought the virus with them.  No masks, no social distancing and now he is on oxygen fighting for his life. All that on top of fighting cancer.  If he survives, hopefully he will take it seriously.

[Mykyl]

Too many not taking it seriously. 

[Bob]

1 hour ago, rocket said:

 

 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Bob

[Old]

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8 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

Too many not taking it seriously. 

Serious or not, In our case, some visits from outside family are a necessary risk. Physically there are home upkeep items that due to age induced disabilities we can no longer handle. 

Seriously, do we allow out of state family members to assist or do we bring in outsiders. I would rather take the risk of JW family members than bring an unknown carpet cleaning personal into our home. Our family members come every few months from 300 or more mile distance to assist.

[Bob]

16 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

Too many not taking it seriously. 

Well, the news has created a culture of fear and has thus set up a false dichotomy that if you’re not living in “fear” you’re not taking it seriously. 
 

So basically anyone not barricading themselves into their homes, or if they dare take a trip or vacation, they’re not taking it seriously. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Bob

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, rocket said:

Sadly now 8% of our Congregation have contracted the Corona Virus.  The last brother that got it didn't believe that it was as bad as it is made out to be in the news.  His family came up from California to Oregon to visit and brought the virus with them.  No masks, no social distancing and now he is on oxygen fighting for his life. All that on top of fighting cancer.  If he survives, hopefully he will take it seriously.

 

24 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

Too many not taking it seriously. 

That's not necessarily the case.  We shouldn't conclude this or judge our brothers and sisters.  There was an announcement in a neighboring congregation a little while back that if a member contracts Covid, that person should not feel bad or feel like they were sinful or that they were not taking the threat seriously or taking all safety precautions.  One young sister in that congregation contracted Covid.  She's a new graduate from nursing school and works nights on the maternity floor.  She took all the necessary safety precautions but her co-workers did not.  The co-workers were lax on 3rd shift and wouldn't wear masks like they should.  They also were getting together outside of work, going to parties, and not keeping physically distant.  Our sister only took her mask off when she ate in the breakroom, but she still was exposed and contracted Covid.  

 

At the beginning of the years I didn't know anyone with Covid.  That's changed over the summer into the fall and this second wave has affected a number of friends and family.  Even when we take all the safety precautions we can, the fact is we are still a moving target.  If a target is shot at enough, it will eventually get hit.  

 

We've had a few in our congregation contract Covid.  One sister lives in a nursing home/assisted living facility.  We all suspected it was only a matter of time before she came down with it no matter how much safety precautions she took.   

[Mykyl]

52 minutes ago, Old said:

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Serious or not, In our case, some visits from outside family are a necessary risk. Physically there are home upkeep items that due to age induced disabilities we can no longer handle. 

Seriously, do we allow out of state family members to assist or do we bring in outsiders. I would rather take the risk of JW family members than bring an unknown carpet cleaning personal into our home. Our family members come every few months from 300 or more mile distance to assist.

You yourself pointed out that they wore no masks nor did they social distance so what's you problem with me agreeing with you. Unbelievable. What an absolute joke. Sick of it. 

 

And Bob, where did I mention folks had to be in fear? They should not act like idiots though. Plain and simple. But you choose for yourself. Too many assumptions being made. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Mykyl

[Mykyl]

24 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

You yourself pointed out that they wore no masks nor did they social distance so what's you problem with me agreeing with you. Unbelievable. What an absolute joke. Sick of it. 

 

And Bob, where did I mention folks had to be in fear? They should not act like idiots though. Plain and simple. But you choose for yourself. Too many assumptions being made. 

Mixed up Olds comments for Rocket. Apologies. 

At times it seems that out there and here folks are not taking it seriously enough. 

That doesn't mean barricading ourselves in but it does mean taking all sensible precautions. 

Edited January 6, 2021 by Mykyl

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

Mixed up Olds comments for Rocket. Apologies. 

At times it seems that out there and here folks are not taking it seriously enough. 

That doesn't mean barricading ourselves in but it does mean taking all sensible precautions. 

Lol yeah my “barricading” point was a little hyperbolic but you got the point! 

[Bob]

3 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 If a target is shot at enough, it will eventually get hit.  

 

We've had a few in our congregation contract Covid.  One sister lives in a nursing home/assisted living facility.  We all suspected it was only a matter of time before she came down with it no matter how much safety precautions she took.   

Yeah I don’t know this for a fact, but I think it’s safe to assume that the vast majority of infections among our brothers were coincidental.

 

You have people who admit to not wearing masks etc and have yet to be infected, and those who are cautious but who got it anyway.

 

It’s mostly random. We can only do the best we can 

[Sequoia]

My aunt was telling me that paramedics in California have been told that if they can't revive someone after ten minutes to let them die because the hospitals are so full.  I did read that hospitals are turning ambulances away.  Also that medics are told in LA County in California to not to bring people with a low chance of survival to the hospital at all.

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Bob said:

It’s mostly random. We can only do the best we can 

I can't agree with this statement and, as educated as you are, I don't understand how you can agree with this statement either. 

 

It's like lung cancer. Smoking causes lung cancer. I think you would agree. Yet there are smokers who don't get lung cancer and die of old age and non smokers who get lung cancer and die young.  However, I'd never claim lung cancer is random and safety precautions (like not smoking) are irrelevant. 

 

There is enough scientific evidence to support the concept that hand washing, physical distancing, and masks do hinder or slow the transmission of contagious, infectious disease (and not just coronavirus). 

[Bob]

40 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I can't agree with this statement and, as educated as you are, I don't understand how you can agree with this statement either. 

Work with me here, brother. 
 

We have 7500 brothers who died, with obviously many more infected. Presumably, they followed the guidelines as we have as a whole, obeyed the guidelines.  
 

So was it because all those brothers scoffed at the guidelines? No. 
 

I’m pointing toward the Bible - “Time and unexpected events befall us all”. 
 

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Bob

[My little flower]

Covid is  now hitting hard

[Luisabola]

Yes, we can all be careful BUT unless we stay at home completely, manage to get food deliveries (impossible where I live) from delivery drivers that don’t have coronavirus, and use hazmat suits to unpack the items, leaving the food for 72 hours before it’s touched and completely shut ourselves in; that’s the only way we will we be able to avoid it completely. That’s almost impossible. 
 

Most of us need to go out for exercise (we can choose isolated spots where available) and to buy food (we can choose to wear masks or use good hand washing practices). Some of us, being key workers or needing to provide for family, still need to work secularly so there will be a level of contact at some point. Not all of us have the luxury of bunkering down. Of course, we can choose to limit the risk by taking the above steps BUT it doesn’t negate the risk completely. 
 

So, to those brothers and sisters that contracted the virus and unfortunately died- I don’t blame them at all. I choose to believe they followed the guidelines as best as they could but there is still that tiny chance of getting it, and they are some of the unfortunate ones who did. Everyone has that percentage of risk when they go to the shops or do their necessary things, and some unfortunately will contract it. 
 

I do think the virus is random in that when you’ve got it, some will be asymptomatic and some it will hit them like a tonne of bricks. 
 

Just found out a young mum in our hall now has it and she’s feeling really poorly.  

[Tbs77]

Let's see how much of a superspreader event yesterday's riot at the Capitol will be....

[Shawnster]

43 minutes ago, Tbs77 said:

Let's see how much of a superspreader event yesterday's riot at the Capitol will be....

Probably no more than any of the other mass protests in 2020.

 

Oh, there might be some minor spikes.  

[Sequoia]

Something my primary doctor mentioned in an email that I thought I would share here. Is that there are people who have died from other illnesses not related to Covid because they were so afraid of going to the doctor or the hospital because of fear of getting Covid. 

 

It makes me think of my mom whom I know would have died if she hadn't gone to hospital when she did which is what the doctors in the emergency room said.  She had other reasons for not wanting to go the hospital Covid was just part of it. 

 

She didn't realize that she was dying from pneumonia she didn't know she had it at all.  Our primary doctor didn't think she was dying and thought that it may have been an autoimmune disease, he didn't know she had pneumonia but he was wrong.  Although he almost put her in the hospital but he didn't want her to miss an important zoom appointment for another issue which she did end up missing as she ended up in the hospital the next day. 

 

She could barely walk the pain and weakness was so bad.  I mention all of this in another post that I posted when she was in the hospital. 

 

I called 911 for a second time and when they took her temperature she had a fever although she didn't have COVID.  We, I mean the medics and firemen had to talk her into going to the hospital because she thought they'd just send her home because a different hospital in our area wanted to send her home when she knew she was dying and they didn't believe it.  I had called 911 the day before and they came but she didn't agree to go the hospital then.

Anyway,  I'm glad that she went to the hospital even though they have COVID patients.