UN official urges for universal basic income

[New World Explorer]

At the UN, we’re saying that, if there isn’t a minimum income floor to fall back on when this kind of massive shock hits, people literally have no options."The spread of COVID-19 has fundamentally shaken economies, and people are beginning to question existing economic models: this pandemic has really thrown up the existing levels of both injustice and inequality worldwide. So bolder ideas are needed, including some, that previously, were pushed aside.

https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/headlines/1039315-covid-throws-up-levels-of-inequality-un-official-urges-for-universal-basic-income

Edited May 7, 2020 by New World Explorer

[Ludwika]

An article just this morning reported Finland tried this, but find it's unsustainable, though it improves people's lives. Guess we'll have to wait for the new world! Justice for everyone. 

[Katty]

The WHO is a subset of the UN, and they sat the information about the virus until it was too late, and never came in contact with the US CDC to see if they wanted tests, which would have been crucial in slowing the spread when it would have actually made a difference. It seems like the UN wanted the pandemic to destroy the economy so they could swoop in with their Universal Basis Income. In some way, this may lead to the Great Tribulation and the fall of Babylon. We'll just have to wait and see.

[carlos]

The Communist party, which is right now governing Spain in alliance with the Socialist party, is trying to push this kind of universal basic income. But it doesn't take a degree in Economy to realize that such subsidy is unsustainable. People who defend it seem to believe that money falls from trees.

 

This party suggest an universal subsidy of 500 euro per person, which is not a lot of money but at least could cover basic expenses. There are nearly 47 million people living in Spain. To give 500 euro to each person monthly, that would mean that every person would have to pay taxes of 500 euro plus the usual taxes. Otherwise, where would the money come from? The Communists want to charge huge taxes to rich people and big companies, or directly expropriate their properties "for the common good". But rich people and big companies are not stupid. If that law is ever approved they will flee the country en masse. And even if they don't, how long will those properties cover the cost of such a huge monthly amount of money? And what will happen when that money runs out?

 

This idea has already been in practice for decades with minorities in many countries. Some people receive a monthly amount of money from the government just because they belong to some marginalized minority. The idea was to give these people a chance to escape poverty, study and have a future, and in some cases that has happened. But in most cases that measure has only produced ghettos with lazy people who don't want to work because they can live with the help from the government, or complement it with illegal businesses. And this mentality has been perpetuated as it has passed from parents to children.

 

IMO a much better approach would be to make sure there's plenty of reasonably paid jobs for everyone, and then let people earn their money. But of course no human government will be able to fix that. Only the Kingdom.

Edited May 10, 2020 by carlos

[BenJepthah]

Universal Basic income has only worked one time in human history. That is in the period Israel lived in the wilderness. 
     Now if you really love living in tents. And think the rest of the world will also agree to give up their homes and wealth to live in tents . The maybe , just maybe, universal basic income is for you. 
     It just so happens that I do love camping. But until a daily supply of Manna and a modest goat herd are thrown into the deal the UN can keep their handouts. 

[sunshine]

Even in the wilderness everyone had to work - the manner didn't pick itself.  The post Coronavirus UN controlled world will have millions maybe billions dependent on the State but it won't be pretty and there will  certainly be a price.

Edited May 9, 2020 by sunshine

[Barbllm]

On 5/7/2020 at 10:06 AM, carlos said:

The Communist party, which is right now governing Spain in alliance with the Socialist party, is trying to push this kind of universal basic income.

Spain is Communist?  I thought Spain was a monarchy (or ruled by a king/queen).

 

Learn something new every day.  I could see this happening in some form.  Perhaps 30K per year per person from the government, and abolish the minimum wage.  Or we could go back to the "good old days" of American exceptionalism.  You know, the idealist past where America led the world in automobile ownership, new housing sales, science, and medicine.  America had a space program that could put a man on the moon!  Let's go back to those days where the top marginal tax rate (1960) was 91% and applied to income over $200,000.

Or we could listen to the sage words of Buckminster Fuller, who stated: “We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”

 

[Bob]

On 5/7/2020 at 10:06 AM, carlos said:

The Communist party, which is right now governing Spain in alliance with the Socialist party, is trying to push this kind of universal basic income. But it doesn't take a degree in Economy to realize that such subsidy is unsustainable. People who defend it seem to believe that money falls from trees.

 

This party suggest an universal subsidy of 500 euro per person, which is not a lot of money but at least could cover basic expenses. There are nearly 47 million people living in Spain. To give 500 euro to each person monthly, that would mean that every person would have to pay taxes of 500 euro plus the usual taxes. Otherwise, where would the money come from? The Communists want to charge huge taxes to rich people and big companies, or directly expropriate their properties "for the common good". But rich people and big companies are not stupid. If that law is ever approved they will flee the country en masse. And even if they don't, how long will those properties cover the cost of such a huge monthly amount of money? And what will happen when that money runs out?

 

This idea has already been in practice for decades with minorities in many countries. Some people receive a monthly amount of money from the government just because they belong to some marginalized minority. The idea was to give these people a chance to escape poverty, study and have a future, and in some cases that has happened. But in most cases that measure has only produced ghettos with lazy people who don't want to work because they can live with the help from the government, or complement it with illegal businesses. And this mentality has been perpetuated as it has passed from parents to children.

 

IMO a much better approach would be to make sure there's plenty of reasonably paid jobs for everyone, and then let people earn their money. But of course no human government will be able to fix that. Only the Kingdom.

You and I must be sharing brains. This is the exact nonsense going on in the US and you said to the letter almost what I was thinking. 

 

Here in the US, the UIA (Unemployment Agency) is giving people an extra $600/wk on top of their regular benefit to sit at home. And companies here are already complaining that they cannot hire the workers back for reopening of business because workers would take a huge paycut to work. So the government has incentivized laziness.  

 

Of course, an Presidential election is looming so we can see how votes are being purchased. OK, I don't want to lose my neutrality. I'll stop. 

[Dustparticle]

28 minutes ago, Bob said:

You and I must be sharing brains. This is the exact nonsense going on in the US and you said to the letter almost what I was thinking. 

 

Here in the US, the UIA (Unemployment Agency) is giving people an extra $600/wk on top of their regular benefit to sit at home. And companies here are already complaining that they cannot hire the workers back for reopening of business because workers would take a huge paycut to work. So the government has incentivized laziness.  

 

Of course, an Presidential election is looming so we can see how votes are being purchased. OK, I don't want to lose my neutrality. I'll stop. 

Neutrality? I’m voting for Jesus. Acts 17:7 and Daniel 2:44

[BenJepthah]

Nimrod’s form of rulership was in “ opposition “ to Jehovah. He had he people making bricks to build the Tower of Babel ( a public works project with no end in sight ). So he must have been paying them somehow. My guess is that his being “ a mighty hunter “ may have indicated that he payed the people by some form of food distribution akin to a minimum guaranteed income ( so long as they continued to do his will and support his rulership). Socialism and cronie capitalism both have elements used to manipulate the public down a path of servitude to the state. But Socialism seems to jump right into “ opposition “ to God. Even the kind of “ Black Socialism once and sometimes  employed by the Roman Catholic Church Placed the State ( Church) above God’s Authority.  The Mincome scheme does nothing less than endorse a level of dependence upon the state that has echoed from Nimrod until now.

[BenJepthah]

2 hours ago, Barbllm said:

Spain is Communist?  I thought Spain was a monarchy (or ruled by a king/queen).

 

Learn something new every day.  I could see this happening in some form.  Perhaps 30K per year per person from the government, and abolish the minimum wage.  Or we could go back to the "good old days" of American exceptionalism.  You know, the idealist past where America led the world in automobile ownership, new housing sales, science, and medicine.  America had a space program that could put a man on the moon!  Let's go back to those days where the top marginal tax rate (1960) was 91% and applied to income over $200,000.

Or we could listen to the sage words of Buckminster Fuller, who stated: “We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”

 

So , who gets to be that fortunate “ one in ten thousand “ who must be Made to do all the hard work necessary to support the ten thousand lay abouts? And can we trust that tiny fraction to produce for the rest without having the inspectors to heap regulations upon them? 

[carlos]

2 hours ago, Barbllm said:

Spain is Communist?  I thought Spain was a monarchy (or ruled by a king/queen).

No, Spain is not a Communist country (yet). As you say, it's a parlamentary monarchy. That is, there is a king who is just a symbol without any real power, and then there is a president elected democratically who has the executive power, as in most other democracies.

 

As in the US, traditionally there have been two main parties here: right wing and left wing. The difference with the US is that the left wing party here is much more left-winged than the US Democrats. In fact, it's the Socialist party. There was also a Communist party but the number of votes it obtained was irrelevant.

 

In recent years several new parties have emerged as an alternative to the old ones, which are perceived as full of corruption. One of them is a Communist party, although it goes by a different name. In the last elections, last year, the results were so even that, in order to get the power, the Socialists had to reach an agreement with the Communist leaders to share the government. So the Communist party now has a lot of power and is pushing for some of its ideas, although what they can do is quite limited by the Constitution anyway. They cannot legally suppress private property or nationalize companies or abolish the king, for example. That would be prevented by the Constitution.

 

So it can't be said Spain is a Communist country. Right now it's governed by the Socialist and Communist parties, but in a couple years there will be new elections and a different party might win. Anyway, no politician of any party actually cares for people. They all just want money and power. As we say here, the same dogs with a different collar.

 

 

[Thesauron]

It is just another way of governing the society that must be tried. Just like all other forms of government, it will fail. As Witnesses, we remain completely neutral to whatever the world attempts to do. We have already put our trust in God’s Kingdom, the only hope of mankind.