Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[SUNRAY]

Covid-19 vaccine: Allergy warning over new jab https://www.bbc.com/ Tap or click "Allergy warning......"

[Old]

On the other hand if many of us (70% ?) take the vaccine we may be able to start meeting together using precaution such as were directed during the fist weeks of the pandemic.

[rocket]

When we start back to meetings I am hoping that they will continue Zoom meetings as even those in the high risk group will not be fully protected if not all get the vaccine.  I have read that even with the vaccine one can get covid-19 but it will be less severe.  With so many not believing it is save I fear that we will be with this pandemic for many years.  The Branch will never require ones to be vaccinated to attend meetings so sadly many will pay for the decisions of others with their lives.

[Lee49]

My mother died of breast cancer at the age of 45, she waited too long to take any action, this was in the early 60's!

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, cricket246 said:

My main concern is maintaining my integrity to Jehovah. ❤️ if the state governments do make the vaccines mandatory, I they give the option of vaccine without actual blood components (like the ones announced that are blood free), otherwise each of us will have a tough decision to make, just like Job did. ❤️ 

Can we put this to rest?  I'm seeing a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses concerned about this.  The truth is vaccines do not contain blood.  Somehow this fake news has gotten spread and a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses have accepted the idea that vaccines contain blood.

 

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-any-blood-fractions-cells-or-anything-do

 

Answer: 

Vaccines do not contain human or animal cells or tissues. Read more about vaccine ingredients here. A list of the ingredients in each approved vaccine in Canada can be found in the Canadian Immunization Guide or the vaccine’s product monograph available through Health Canada's Drug Product Database.

[runner92]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Can we put this to rest?  I'm seeing a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses concerned about this.  The truth is vaccines do not contain blood.  Somehow this fake news has gotten spread and a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses have accepted the idea that vaccines contain blood.

 

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-any-blood-fractions-cells-or-anything-do

 

Answer: 

Vaccines do not contain human or animal cells or tissues. Read more about vaccine ingredients here. A list of the ingredients in each approved vaccine in Canada can be found in the Canadian Immunization Guide or the vaccine’s product monograph available through Health Canada's Drug Product Database.

This. I could never understood why people were wondering if there was actual blood in the vaccines. That’s not how vaccines work. Now they were asking for blood from those who had COVID to extract the antibodies to make the vaccine, but that doesn’t mean blood is in it. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by runner92

[Fallbrookian]

2 hours ago, rocket said:

. The Branch will never require ones to be vaccinated to attend meetings so sadly many will pay for the decisions of others with their lives.

That's a very EXTREME comment to make. To quote another sister ....."Seriously you believe that???"  

 

Talk about a "scare tactic".

[McKay]

11 minutes ago, Nancy M said:

Talk about a "scare tactic".

Not at all. My father had a weakened immune system. But sick people would come to the meetings and sit behind him coughing the whole time. He finally got sick from someone and a few months later died due to complications.

[Tortuga]

3 hours ago, rocket said:

The Branch will never require ones to be vaccinated to attend meetings so sadly many will pay for the decisions of others with their lives

We sadly see something similar with fragrances. The brothers remind everyone to be considerate of others, yet apparently some were still coming to the meeting wearing fragrances even though they knew it affected others in the congregation. The Branch doesn't forbid fragrances at the meeting so sadly many pay for the decision of others with their health.

[Tortuga]

6 hours ago, AH173 said:

Getting a little hot in here. 

Thank you.

[blue-jay]

16 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

We sadly see something similar with fragrances. The brothers remind everyone to be considerate of others, yet apparently some were still coming to the meeting wearing fragrances even though they knew it affected others in the congregation. The Branch doesn't forbid fragrances at the meeting so sadly many pay for the decision of others with their health.

It's not exactly the same though, is it?

Not wearing fragrances doesn't hurt anyone. So wearing it even though it harms others is selfish. 

But the ones not wanting to vaccinate are worried about their own and their family's health. That's not selfish in my eyes.

[Tortuga]

3 minutes ago, blue-jay said:

It's not exactly the same though, is it?

Not wearing fragrances doesn't hurt anyone. So wearing it even though it harms others is selfish. 

But the ones not wanting to vaccinate are worried about their own and their family's health. That's not selfish in my eyes.

Not exactly the same, however does someone that isn't vaccinated pose a danger to infants and high risk people?

[Old]

3 hours ago, rocket said:

When we start back to meetings I am hoping that they will continue Zoom meetings as even those in the high risk group will not be fully protected if not all get the vaccine. 

Interesting idea. How would this work? Zoomers could be seen commenting on one of our big screens. A single camera would cover the audience. Would the individual commenting in the hall be singled out for the big screens and the zoomers? Mutiple camera attendants? 6 ft separation  in a KH that seats over 200? Any ideas?    sorry 

[rocket]

56 minutes ago, Nancy M said:

That's a very EXTREME comment to make. To quote another sister ....."Seriously you believe that???"  

 

Talk about a "scare tactic".

I believe it 100%  No scare tactic, just basic truth based on current info.

[Lee49]

29 minutes ago, Old said:

Interesting idea. How would this work? Zoomers could be seen commenting on one of our big screens. A single camera would cover the audience. Would the individual commenting in the hall be singled out for the big screens and the zoomers? Mutiple camera attendants? 6 ft separation  in a KH that seats over 200? Any ideas?    sorry 

Go ahead, start a new topic, sounds interesting!

[Old]

4 hours ago, rocket said:

When we start back to meetings I am hoping that they will continue Zoom meetings as even those in the high risk group will not be fully protected if not all get the vaccine.  I have read that even with the vaccine one can get covid-19 but it will be less severe.  With so many not believing it is save I fear that we will be with this pandemic for many years.  The Branch will never require ones to be vaccinated to attend meetings so sadly many will pay for the decisions of others with their lives.

I had said:

4 hours ago, Old said:

On the other hand if many of us (70% ?) take the vaccine we may be able to start meeting together using precaution such as were directed during the fist weeks of the pandemic.

But they could put restrictions on those allowed to be in person at the KH. They are doing that now.

[Fallbrookian]

30 minutes ago, rocket said:

I believe it 100%  No scare tactic, just basic truth based on current info.

IMHO ...definitely NOT basic truth, but your opinion only!

[Tortuga]

I think this is interesting.

[blue-jay]

47 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

Not exactly the same, however does someone that isn't vaccinated pose a danger to infants and high risk people?

But many who don't vaccinate think that the vaccine might pose a danger to them. See how that works?

That's why it's a personal conscience decision and no one should be made to feel guilty about it. 

Everybody needs to make their own research, make their own decision and then live with it. 

[Fallbrookian]

1 hour ago, McKay said:

Not at all. My father had a weakened immune system. But sick people would come to the meetings and sit behind him coughing the whole time. He finally got sick from someone and a few months later died due to complications.

IMHO...when you say he "got sick from someone"......you mean he only went to meetings and never went anywhere else?  That someone could only be at the meetings?   

[McKay]

22 minutes ago, Nancy M said:

IMHO...when you say he "got sick from someone"......you mean he only went to meetings and never went anywhere else?  That someone could only be at the meetings?   

Wow.

 

I think I'm done participating on this forum for a while.

[Tortuga]

32 minutes ago, blue-jay said:

make their own decision and then live with it. 

I agree. I think it's going to be interesting to see what that means in the future. It will be interesting to see if there are any restrictions by the governments on people that aren't vaccinated.

 

As Rocket said, the Branch won't require vaccinations but it will be interesting to see what they say to protect the congregation. 

 

Whether or not to accept a vaccination is a personal decision that requires deep personal prayers to Jehovah that we show love and respect for life, ours and others. 

[rocket]

11 minutes ago, McKay said:

Wow.

 

I think I'm done participating on this forum for a while.

I'm sorry you got hurt by comments. I've seen with my own eyes ones who ignore the Branches instructions to stay home if your sick. Some of the friends just don't care but they are by far a minority. I am very sorry for your loss. In our Congregation over 50% are over 60 so meeting again at the KH will have to have something in place to make it safe.

[blue-jay]

12 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

show love and respect for life, ours and others. 

You're absolutely right. I don't care about anyone more than my children and their wellbeing. They're a gift from Jehovah. That's why it's a very important decision we will have to make. 

[vern]

There have been vaccines made using human fetal materials.  Just research human Diploid cells.

 

This link even though catholic sourced does have a concise list of vaccines with cell lines that were human cells.

 

https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm

 

I think thats what the objections are....  you can say its not blood but this to me seems much more objectionable.

 

I.m not sure about the difference of eating protein DNA as opposed to injecting protien DNA  the liver would have to deal with both... but thru the stomach atleast it has to go thru some kind of controlls and filtration systems.