Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[carlos]

Thanks, @Loje. I am open to different opinions and reliable data too. I don't know anything about this VAERS site you quoted but at first sight it seems very detailed and straightforward with the statistics. For example, I noticed this:

20 hours ago, Loje said:

This week’s data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:

• 14,003 total adverse events, including 866 rated as serious and 14 reported deaths. Two of the nine deaths were suicides

The website is exhaustive but at the same time it admits that they only count deaths that happened after vaccination, not necessarily caused by vaccination. For example, they include the detail that, of 14 reported deaths after taking the vaccine, two were suicides, which obviously had nothing to do with the vaccine.

 

The info there lists 10,991 deaths that happened some time after receiving the vaccine. It also mentions 333 million vaccines have been administered in the US so far. That helps to put things in perspective. 10,991 deaths in 333 million are 1 death for every 30 million vaccines. Of course, many of those deaths are not related to the vaccine (as in the suicides above), so the actual proportion is probably much smaller.

 

Another interesting bit of information: "The average age of death was 75." It sounds as if most of those who died were people who were already very vulnerable and there are lots of reasons why they might have died.

 

Some sources are advertizing hundreds of thousands of adverse reactions to the vaccine. But most of those reactions are headache or joint pain or dizziness that pass in a few hours. Nothing to call home about. The real number of serious reactions is much lower.

 

Again, I have no idea of who VAERS is but this kind of data does help to understand the situation and make an informed choice.

[Lee49]

25 minutes ago, lovjahupepl said:

I think if an unvaccinated person  just looks at someone the that person will catch the virus. 😲

[zoebarry]

Alabama Attorney Thomas Renz has filed a motion for a Preliminary Injuction against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to stop the emergency use authorization of the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J vaccines.

 

This comes after a whistleblower testified under a sworn affidavit that the VAERS reporting system is vastly underreported by a factor of 5. Deaths from vaccinations is reported by VAERS at the time of his testimony was 9,048, the true number of deaths are more likely 45,000. Keep in mind VAERS is maintained by the CDC, and it is only one of 11 reporting agencies to the government.

 

https://renz-law.com/45k-whistleblower-suit

 

You can read the Motion filed and whistleblower testimony at the above link.

 

We’ll see how this turns out.....

[pnutts]

Which party does he belong to? Unfortunately it does make a difference. Politics before what's best for the people. Both sides undo what is good for the people.

Sounds like the dis United States. Hmmm, rest of the world is the same. Feet of iron mixed with clay.

[Loje]

1 hour ago, carlos said:

Again, I have no idea of who VAERS is but this kind of data does help to understand the situation and make an informed choice.

In the USA, VARES is the federal government's vaccination reporting system.  It is an immensely large data base that contains key conclusive information on past vaccines as well.

About VAERS

Background and Public Health Importance

Established in 1990, the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is a national early warning system to detect possible safety problems in U.S.-licensed vaccines. VAERS is co-managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA). VAERS accepts and analyzes reports of adverse events (possible side effects) after a person has received a vaccination. Anyone can report an adverse event to VAERS. Healthcare professionals are required to report certain adverse events and vaccine manufacturers are required to report all adverse events that come to their attention.

 

 

VAERS is a passive reporting system, meaning it relies on individuals to send in reports of their experiences to CDC and FDA. VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused a health problem, but is especially useful for detecting unusual or unexpected patterns of adverse event reporting that might indicate a possible safety problem with a vaccine. This way, VAERS can provide CDC and FDA with valuable information that additional work and evaluation is necessary to further assess a possible safety concern.

 

Some may not be aware that the USA Federal government also has this website:  

https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/covered-vaccines/index.html

 

 

The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) covers most vaccines routinely given in the U.S.

Almost $4 billion has been awarded by the federal government to children and adults injured by vaccines. NVIC encourages consumers to become fully informed about the risks and complications of diseases and vaccines and speak with one or more trusted health care professionals before making a vaccination decision.

 

[zoebarry]

44 minutes ago, pnutts said:

Which party does he belong to? Unfortunately it does make a difference. Politics before what's best for the people. Both sides undo what is good for the people.

Sounds like the dis United States. Hmmm, rest of the world is the same. Feet of iron mixed with clay.

I just read the entire 67 page Motion. I suggest you read it also.

 

 

[pnutts]

My 1st job out of school was making medicine. I know the half truths they tell. Money before anything else.

All I am saying is that both sides have an agenda and people's well being is not it.

I do not take vaccines as a rule because of my health, because I do understand the the dynamics of them.

However in the case of covid I took the chance because my chances of dying from covid was so high without the vaccine.

[Nirex]

I'm curious, to those who are vaccinated, is there any way you can take a DDimer test and report your clotting factors?

 

I've been following the story of the BC Doctor who was threatened for trying a study. From what I've read and followed. He was a rural doctor in BC, who was administering the vaccine to his patients, so he wasn't against it. His patients started to come to him with serious symptoms at high rate. So he wrote a letter to the higher ups, asking what was going on in concern of his patients. As he waited on a response he started a study, and took tests on his patients with the symptoms. He found in his study microscopic blood clots that are caused because of the vaccine creating pockets in the arteries like the virus, but unless a DDimer test is given they aren't caught. This could be a longterm damage.

 

With not enough sample data to go on, he released his findings and asked people who were vaccinated to get DDimer tests before or after for more sample data. .. Well the hospital he worked as ER doctor fired him, and he was threatened to have medical license revoked if he didn't discontinue the study and for the letter he wrote. Instead of further research into it, they simply threatened him, discontinued the study and then discredited him.

 

This is one of my hesitances and worries for getting the vaccine. This guy was not malicious, just doing the study out of concern for his patients. But because they think they found the answer with the vaccine, and they don't want it threatened as the answer, any long term study that comes up is simply discredited and shut down without even allowing a study of it.

 

I'll provide source, but is IS a conspiracy site because everywhere else removes it.

Conspiracy Site: https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/

Other alternate site: https://www.cabaltimes.com/2021/07/17/hoffe/

[X-Tryman]

1 hour ago, pnutts said:

Which party does he belong to? Unfortunately it does make a difference. Politics before what's best for the people. Both sides undo what is good for the people.

I agree how true is that. Watching what these people were saying just less than a year ago.

 

[pnutts]

Just a point about Alabama.  It has lowest or tied for lowest vaccinations in the US. They have 10+% of population infected.

[trottigy]

5 hours ago, pnutts said:

Fox has quietly implemented its own version of a vaccine passport while its top personalities attack them

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/media/fox-vaccine-passport/index.html

I merged this with the other vaccine topic. This helps us keep these topics limited and together.

 

My job implemented a similar VOLUNTARY (as is this) way to let HR know of you have been vaccinated. They said it would help with complaints too. If you are vaccinated you don't need to wear a mask. So, if someone complains that you aren't - they can just dismiss the complaint.

 

That said, we just got this email about masks today:

 

Quote

We wanted to make sure that you are aware of current developments related to COVID-19. There has been an increase in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations in our community and across the nation. Many believe this is from the Delta variant which is far more infectious, and as severe as the previous strain. Due to the increase of cases over the weekend, Dr. Leguen, SNHD Chief Health Officer recommends that both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons should wear masks. 

 

The Regional Policy group met this morning and tomorrow the Clark County Commission will be voting to possibly mandate masks for all employees (vaccinated and unvaccinated) across Clark County. If approved, this will go into effect at 12:01am on Wednesday morning, July 21, and will remain in place until August 15. At that time a reevaluation will take place to determine if the mask mandate has minimized the spread of COVID-19.

 

I will send an update tomorrow with the outcome of the Board’s vote, but I wanted to provide you with advance notice on the potential of a mask requirement. Please stay tuned.

As update 6 said - it's not over yet. Be careful and keep your safety routine up!

Edited July 20, 2021 by trottigy

[lovjahupepl]

4 hours ago, Nirex said:

He found in his study microscopic blood clots that are caused because of the vaccine creating pockets in the arteries like the virus, but unless a DDimer test is given they aren't caught. This could be a longterm damage.

 

With not enough sample data to go on, he released his findings and asked people who were vaccinated to get DDimer tests before or after for more sample data. .. Well the hospital he worked as ER doctor fired him, and he was threatened to have medical license revoked if he didn't discontinue the study and for the letter he wrote. Instead of further research into it, they simply threatened him, discontinued the study and then discredited him.

 

This is one of my hesitances and worries for getting the vaccine. This guy was not malicious, just doing the study out of concern for his patients. But because they think they found the answer with the vaccine, and they don't want it threatened as the answer, any long term study that comes up is simply discredited and shut down without even allowing a study of it.

 

I'll provide source, but is IS a conspiracy site because everywhere else removes it.

Conspiracy Site: https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/

Other alternate site: https://www.cabaltimes.com/2021/07/17/hoffe/

I would be interested in knowing this too.  I don't know of this site but I have seen other places about the formation of the blood cells change after getting the shot.  Wonder if that is what he was keying in on?  As a mother of a child that already have a blood disorder where the blood cell can jam up at anytime (with or without a vaccine) the possibly of blood clots is of great concern to me.  😟

Edited July 20, 2021 by lovjahupepl

[Sofia]

These are the vaccines for the future

 

Live attenuated, recombinant human RSV, delivered intranasally as single dose, expressing the SARS2 spike reduces peak SARS2 viral load by more than 200 fold. At the same time it induces systemic neutralizing antibodies that work against variants.

Live attenuated vaccine candidates are made by rewriting the SARS-CoV-2 genome
• A single intranasal droplet vaccination induces sterilizing immunity in hamsters”

It doesn’t even cause disease in the animal model.

source:
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)00920-7

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by Sofia

[AH173]

Genome recoding is better than / equal to/ worse than peoples reluctant to the mrna vaccine? 

 

Sounds like Franken - vaccine for me at this time. 

[Sofia]

[Evidence published between 07/07/2021 and 20/07/2021]

New data from Vo

A study in the Italian town of Vo, one of the most studied in the pandemic, shows that 98,8% of people who were seropositive in the first wave still showed detectable levels of antibodies to at least one SARS-CoV-2 antigen 9 months later, regardless of whether they were symptomatic or not; and 18.6% of them even showed an increase of antibodies or neutralisation activity.

1000-fold higher

Viral loads in people infected with the Delta variants were up to 1000 times higher than infections by the original strain on the day when the virus was first detected, according to a study of a large transmission chain in China. These findings indicate this variant is more infectious in the pre-symptomatic phase.

Two doses for Delta

A study from France shows that sera from individuals having received one dose of Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines barely inhibited variant Delta, while administration of two doses generated a neutralizing response in 95% of individuals, even if titers were 3 to 5-fold lower against Delta than Alpha. Another study found that the majority of convalescent patients and all individuals vaccinated with two doses of mRNA vaccines had detectable neutralizing activity against both Alpha and Delta variants. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease by Delta is 80% after 2 doses, according to data from England.

Children and Long Covid

Long-term symptoms after COVID infection in children were found to be very uncommon and not significantly different than observed in the control group, according to a study in Switzerland. As Nature points out, estimates of Long Covid in children vary greatly between studies (somewhere between 1 and 10%), highlighting the need to clearly define the condition.

People with HIV

People living with HIV face a 13% higher risk of hospitalization and a 30% increased risk of death from COVID-19 regardless of age, gender, and comorbidities, according to a study presented at the IAS Conference on HIV. They should therefore be front of the line for vaccines.

More on treatments

Molecules called long-chain polyphosphates show strong antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties against SARSCoV2, according to experiments performed in the laboratory, and represent a potential drug against COVID-19.

A meta-analysis with hospitalised COVID-19 patients concludes that antibodies against the pro-inflammatory molecule IL6 reduced the risk of death (by 17%) and of mechanical ventilation (by 21%) compared with standard care alone. The WHO has endorsed the use of these rheumatoid arthritis drugs for treating COVID-19.

Instead, a single dose of azythromicin in non-hospitalised patients showed no benefit in a study with over 200 participants in US.

CoronaVac effectiveness

Results from Chile, which has immunised its population with Sinovac’s inactivated virus vaccine, shows an effectiveness of 64% against infections and 87% against hospitalizations and deaths.

Stretching doses?

Giving 25ug instead of 100ug for each dose of Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine elicits durable antibody and T cell responses across all age groups, according to a small study. These findings suggest that ‘dose stretching’ could help to address the world’s acute vaccine shortage.

More on vaccine safety

Two doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine were safe and 78% effective in preventing infection in pregnant women in a real-world study in Israel.

Johnson and Johnson’s Covid-19 vaccine may trigger Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS) in very rare cases, says the FDA. There have been about 100 preliminary reports of GBS, among 12.8 million doses administered in the US.

Pandemic side effects

Around 118 million more people were facing hunger in 2020 than in 2019, according to the latest report by FAO, IFAD, UNICEF, WFP and WHO.

And the number of children who did not receive any vaccination went up from 13.6 million in 2019 to 17.1 million in 2020, says a report by WHO and UNICEF.

[Witness1970]

12 hours ago, carlos said:

The info there lists 10,991 deaths that happened some time after receiving the vaccine. It also mentions 333 million vaccines have been administered in the US so far. That helps to put things in perspective. 10,991 deaths in 333 million are 1 death for every 30 million vaccines. Of course, many of those deaths are not related to the vaccine (as in the suicides above), so the actual proportion is probably much smaller.

I think you meant to say 1 in 30 thousand vaccines.  

Edited July 20, 2021 by Witness1970
no edit changed my mind

[lovjahupepl]

12 hours ago, zoebarry said:

Alabama Attorney Thomas Renz has filed a motion for a Preliminary Injuction against the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to stop the emergency use authorization of the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J vaccines.

 

This comes after a whistleblower testified under a sworn affidavit that the VAERS reporting system is vastly underreported by a factor of 5. Deaths from vaccinations is reported by VAERS at the time of his testimony was 9,048, the true number of deaths are more likely 45,000. Keep in mind VAERS is maintained by the CDC, and it is only one of 11 reporting agencies to the government.

 

https://renz-law.com/45k-whistleblower-suit

 

You can read the Motion filed and whistleblower testimony at the above link.

 

We’ll see how this turns out.....

Interesting/detailed motion filed 67 pages.  I thought it was just going to be about the 45,000 likely death discrepancies and the handling of the data/records in the VAERS system.  It goes far beyond that. Some of it is a bit disturbing and I am not sure how to feel about what I read.  Is it possible this wouldn't even be heard on a technicality?   I'm not a legal experts but one part stuck out to me is if I read correctly Emergency Use Authorizations can't be judicially reviewed?  However, they seem to site a variety of reasons why such a rule shouldn't be considered for this situation.  It definitely will be interesting to see how this goes.  

Edited July 20, 2021 by lovjahupepl

[hatcheckgirl]

The TGA is Australia's version of CDC.  It has adverse events following immunisation (AEFI) instead of Vaers and is exactly the same thing - a mechanism for reporting adverse reactions after any medical procedure.

 

The current report out now (https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-15-07-2021) had these interesting facts:

• Since the beginning of the vaccine rollout to 11 July 2021, over 9.1 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given.
• The TGA has received and reviewed 377 reports of deaths in people who have recently been vaccinated and found that four were linked to immunisation.
• These deaths were all related to the first dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine – three were TTS (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome) cases and one was a case of ITP (Immune thrombocytopenia).

From the report:

Large scale vaccination means that coincidentally some people will experience a new illness or die shortly after vaccination. The TGA reviews all deaths reported in people who have received the vaccination. We also monitor signals that may relate to vaccine safety to distinguish between coincidental events and possible side effects of the vaccine. Part of our analysis includes comparing natural expected death rates with observed death rates following immunisation. So far, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination remains less than the expected number of deaths that would occur naturally, or from other causes, for that proportion of the population. 

 

So seeing the initial figure of 377 reports of deaths in people after a recent vaccination seems quite scary.  When you tease out the actual reasons why people die (naturally or from other underlying health problems), the TGA found only FOUR were actually related to the vaccination.  Unfortunately, nothing is 100%, but 4 out of 9.1 million doses says it all, doesn't it?

 

All Governments around the world have similar reporting for transparency, because of misleading news manipulated by people who obviously want to scare and misinform.  From the site:

 

We are aware that false claims are circulating based on misinterpretation of adverse event information published by medicine regulators. To improve transparency, the TGA makes adverse event reports publicly available 90 days after they are received in the Database of Adverse Event Notifications (DAEN). Similar information is published by other regulators overseas. When interpreting this information, it is important to understand that many of these events may not be caused by vaccine.

 

Yes, things are scary right now in this crazy world and we can see the wisdom in this year's text:  Remain calm, trust in Jehovah - Isa 30:15.  Whatever happens, we know the truth, we know that our spiritual lives are safe in Jehovah's hand, and even if we die now we have the resurrection hope.  

[carlos]

1 hour ago, Witness1970 said:

I think you meant to say 1 in 30 thousand vaccines.  

Absolutely! Thanks! That's a huge difference from my (wrong) calculation. I was never good with maths.

 

Even then, it's a very small chance of suffering harm, especially compared to the chances of catching the virus.

[carlos]

12 hours ago, Nirex said:

I'll provide source, but is IS a conspiracy site because everywhere else removes it.

Regina, if it sounds as a conspiracy theory and can only be found in conspiracy theories sites, it's extremely likely that it's a conspiracy theory too.

 

Lots of studies that are being made and advertized regarding the safety of covid vaccines. Thanks to those studies it was found out that AstraZeneca can trigger blood clots in some individuals. Several people have died from those. It has also been found that in some very rare cases the Johnson & Johnson vaccine might be related to the Guillain-Barré syndrome.  But those studies haven't been hidden. Their findings appear on newspapers and medical magazines, and they have allowed doctors to design strategies in order to minimize those risks.

 

I mean, why would this person be silenced for saying the same things many others studies are saying elsewhere and are not being silenced, but rather advertized? It doesn't seem logical. IMO there are a lot of details missing in that story.

 

7 hours ago, lovjahupepl said:

As a mother of a child that already have a blood disorder where the blood cell can jam up at anytime (with or without a vaccine) the possibly of blood clots is of great concern to me.  😟

That is scary, Angela. I can understand your need to be well informed. That's a very special case.

 

Edited July 20, 2021 by carlos

[runner92]

12 hours ago, Nirex said:

I'm curious, to those who are vaccinated, is there any way you can take a DDimer test and report your clotting factors?

 

I've been following the story of the BC Doctor who was threatened for trying a study. From what I've read and followed. He was a rural doctor in BC, who was administering the vaccine to his patients, so he wasn't against it. His patients started to come to him with serious symptoms at high rate. So he wrote a letter to the higher ups, asking what was going on in concern of his patients. As he waited on a response he started a study, and took tests on his patients with the symptoms. He found in his study microscopic blood clots that are caused because of the vaccine creating pockets in the arteries like the virus, but unless a DDimer test is given they aren't caught. This could be a longterm damage.

 

With not enough sample data to go on, he released his findings and asked people who were vaccinated to get DDimer tests before or after for more sample data. .. Well the hospital he worked as ER doctor fired him, and he was threatened to have medical license revoked if he didn't discontinue the study and for the letter he wrote. Instead of further research into it, they simply threatened him, discontinued the study and then discredited him.

 

This is one of my hesitances and worries for getting the vaccine. This guy was not malicious, just doing the study out of concern for his patients. But because they think they found the answer with the vaccine, and they don't want it threatened as the answer, any long term study that comes up is simply discredited and shut down without even allowing a study of it.

 

I'll provide source, but is IS a conspiracy site because everywhere else removes it.

Conspiracy Site: https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/

Other alternate site: https://www.cabaltimes.com/2021/07/17/hoffe/

 

Thank you for this. Thank you also for pointing out that a lot of the reason conspiracy sites get posted is because the traditionally accepted sites remove it constantly, and a whole lot of the time they don't say the information was unfounded. It just straight up disappears and they act like it was never posted. That's a problem. There have been many articles and information from verified virologists and doctors that just disappears mysteriously. When you see that happen over and over, it makes you wonder: Is this just conspiracy or are they trying to hide information the public might want to know while making a decision? 

Edited July 20, 2021 by runner92

[lovjahupepl]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

 

Thank you for this. Thank you also for pointing out that a lot of the reason conspiracy sites get posted is because the traditionally accepted sites remove it constantly, and a whole lot of the time they don't say the information was unfounded. It just straight up disappears and they act like it was never posted. That's a problem. There have been many articles and information from verified virologists and doctors that just disappears mysteriously. When you see that happen over and over, it makes you wonder: Is this just conspiracy or are they trying to hide information the public might want to know while making a decision? 

Unfortunately even things about reactions and side effects people are experiencing are taken down.  I understand them not wanting misinformation posted however, why take down people showing how they have been affected (tremors, difficulty walking, facial paralysis, etc).  People have no other recourse than to post on non-traditional sites.  It's sad what some are going through.

Edited July 20, 2021 by lovjahupepl

[Sofia]

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/19/health/covid-vaccine-myths-debunked/index.html

My faith will protect me, so I don't need to get vaccinated'

Among religious groups in the US, "white evangelical Protestants stand out as the most likely to say they will refuse to get vaccinated (26%), with an additional 28% who are hesitant," according to a study this spring by the Public Religion Research Institute and Interfaith Youth Core.

 

Bishop who said "God is larger than" Covid-19 has died from coronavirus

Some experts say anti-Covid-19 vaccine sentiment among evangelicals is fueled by a distrust in government, ignorance about how vaccines work and misinformation.

"If you believe that God created us in his image, including being able to think and reason, we've been able to think and reason a lot of these diseases away" thanks to vaccination, Offit said.

"We don't die from smallpox anymore. Children aren't permanently paralyzed by polio anymore in the United States. It's a good thing. That's because God gave us a brain to think and reason with. So use it."

[Sofia]

Just now, Sofia said:

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/19/health/covid-vaccine-myths-debunked/index.html

My faith will protect me, so I don't need to get vaccinated'

Among religious groups in the US, "white evangelical Protestants stand out as the most likely to say they will refuse to get vaccinated (26%), with an additional 28% who are hesitant," according to a study this spring by the Public Religion Research Institute and Interfaith Youth Core.

 

Bishop who said "God is larger than" Covid-19 has died from coronavirus

Some experts say anti-Covid-19 vaccine sentiment among evangelicals is fueled by a distrust in government, ignorance about how vaccines work and misinformation.

"If you believe that God created us in his image, including being able to think and reason, we've been able to think and reason a lot of these diseases away" thanks to vaccination, Offit said.

"We don't die from smallpox anymore. Children aren't permanently paralyzed by polio anymore in the United States. It's a good thing. That's because God gave us a brain to think and reason with. So use it."

This is NOT a nice bonus for BTG ....that soon will be destroyed.... 

This gives the Beast more reasons to obey Jehovah´s will in the near future.

[Dustparticle]

Just sit back and watch. More to come: https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-hospital-reports-1st-case-183000620.html