Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[zoebarry]

9 minutes ago, Bob said:

This would take away the excuse that it’s “experimental” which the anti-vax crowd uses to deny the development and efficacy of it. 

How many other medications has the FDA approved in the past and later recalled or taken off the market because they were found harmful in the long run?

[Bob]

43 minutes ago, zoebarry said:

How many other medications has the FDA approved in the past and later recalled or taken off the market because they were found harmful in the long run?

Good point. I don’t know but I’m sure there are some. Thanks for bringing that out!

 

But the COVID shots were tested in like 40,000 people before emergency approval, and are in the arms of over 163 million Americans since December 2020. 
 

If there were serious, hazardous effects that required it be pulled, they would have long shown up by now seeing just how many people got the shot.

 

But also no vaccine is 100 percent effective. So we can’t expect zero risk with it. 

Edited August 4, 2021 by Bob

[Bob]

1 hour ago, zoebarry said:

How many other medications has the FDA approved in the past and later recalled or taken off the market because they were found harmful in the long run?

And I am not sure if any vaccines have “long term side effects”.

 

As far as I have read, side-effects only last a few days. 
 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

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1 hour ago, zoebarry said:

How many other medications has the FDA approved in the past and later recalled or taken off the market because they were found harmful in the long run?

 According to this page https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/drug-recalls 369 medications have been recalled.

That being said,I do not think the vaccines are medications, they treat nothing. To my understanding a vaccine is a contaminant that stimulates a response from the immune system.

 

Ivermectin is a medication.

 

Many medications have been pulled from the market. Not so with vaccines, the biggest exception that comes to mind is the one polio vaccine that is no longer available.

[X-Tryman]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

But the COVID shots were tested in like 40,000 people before emergency approval

I believe in those studies about half received vaccine and half received placebo.

 

Also maybe someone calls them "experimental" because they are still currently in phase 3 clinical trials.

 

Pfizer trial completion date: May 2, 2023

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

 

Moderna trial completion date: October 27, 2022

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427

 

They are set in the future to accurately access long term protection and safety.

[Bob]

53 minutes ago, X-Tryman said:

I believe in those studies about half received vaccine and half received placebo.

 

Also maybe someone calls them "experimental" because they are still currently in phase 3 clinical trials.

 

Pfizer trial completion date: May 2, 2023

https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728

 

Moderna trial completion date: October 27, 2022

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427

 

They are set in the future to accurately access long term protection and safety.

Yeah I understand. Good point. 
 

But 163 million + people have the shot in the real world here and outside of normal side effects, nothing worthy of pulling it. 
 

But I am open to waiting and seeing for sure..

Edited August 4, 2021 by Bob

[X-Tryman]

Latest Stats from Public Health Scotland. Total number of cases vs acute hospitalizations by vaccination status.

There is also a Table 17 with death numbers by vaccination status. However, it is quite irrelevant as it does not break it down by week or a month. Just total numbers since vaccine rollout when most people were obviously unvaccinated.

https://publichealthscotland.scot/media/8631/21-08-04-covid19-publication_report.pdf

 

 

 

[X-Tryman]

Also latest and greatest stats from Public Health England. Total number of cases vs deaths by vaccination status. Looking at the ratios, it does look like death ratio in vaccinated with age over 50 is indeed lower (despite being a larger number). However, in the age group under 50, death ratio is very similar and very low in both groups with vaccinated having a bit higher death rate. 0.032 vs 0.050.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

 

[trottigy]

I just watched an interesting video about one of the internet 's largest peddlers of COVID misinformation- Dr Mercola: ( this is for those who love a video over an article, but it's only 6 min - unlike the usual 45-90 min misinformation ones):

 

CNN's Randi Kaye attempts to track down Dr. Joseph Mercola to find out why he continues to spread misinformation about Covid-19 and the vaccine. 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/05/dr-joseph-mercola-covid-misinformation-kaye-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

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4 hours ago, trottigy said:

I just watched an interesting video about one of the internet 's largest peddlers of COVID misinformation- Dr Mercola: ( this is for those who love a video over an article, but it's only 6 min - unlike the usual 45-90 min misinformation ones):

 

CNN's Randi Kaye attempts to track down Dr. Joseph Mercola to find out why he continues to spread misinformation about Covid-19 and the vaccine. 
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/05/dr-joseph-mercola-covid-misinformation-kaye-pkg-ac360-vpx.cnn

I looked to him for some medical advice untill I realised he was speaking cuckoo.  I found I was hearing the cuckoo singing In the cuckoo berry tree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ayenUjvb4

 

[New World Explorer]

Young people dying in Sydney due to Delta outbreak.

27 y.o man and 38 y.o woman...died recently. 

Delta variant is more difficult for the immune system to fight. 

[runner92]

5 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Young people dying in Sydney due to Delta outbreak.

27 y.o man and 38 y.o woman...died recently. 

Delta variant is more difficult for the immune system to fight. 

 

 

Sounds like the Spanish Flu all over again. The 2nd round started taking out the youth. 

[Tbs77]

This would take away the excuse that it’s “experimental” which the anti-vax crowd uses to deny the development and efficacy of it. 

In addition, once FDA approves vaccine mandates will come rapidly from employers and universities.

Persons can be fired and will not be eligible for unemployment.

IMHO, expect Caesar to make it mandatory wherever we live.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Expect 'a flood' of COVID-19 vaccine mandates after full FDA approval

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5513121001

If your employer fires you because you won’t get the COVID vaccine, don’t expect to collect unemployment

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dont-expect-unemployment-benefits-if-you-dont-comply-with-your-employers-vaccine-requirement-11628287814

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Tbs77 said:

IMHO, expect Caesar to make it mandatory wherever we live.

I don't believe the US Federal Government will mandate vaccines for everyone. There are too many people, even politicians, that oppose masks and vaccines that such a measure would never pass legislation.  Plus, such a mandate is unconstitutional and would be challenged in court. 

 

Now, the government might encourage employers to mandate vaccines.  Retailers might require vaccination for customers. So there are ways vaccines can be "mandated" without it coming from the government. 

 

Of course, the government can require school children be vaccinated as part of all the other vaccine requirements. Parents can opt out but such individuals are a minority. 

[Sofia]

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry.

 

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/309762

[zoebarry]

2 hours ago, Tbs77 said:

In addition, once FDA approves vaccine mandates will come rapidly from employers and universities.

Persons can be fired and will not be eligible for unemployment.

IMHO, expect Caesar to make it mandatory wherever we live.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Expect 'a flood' of COVID-19 vaccine mandates after full FDA approval

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5513121001

If your employer fires you because you won’t get the COVID vaccine, don’t expect to collect unemployment

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dont-expect-unemployment-benefits-if-you-dont-comply-with-your-employers-vaccine-requirement-11628287814

But what the media doesn’t mention that there are exemptions available if you choose NOT to take the shot.

 

 

[Sofia]

When will ALL realize that the Imunity against coronavirus is mainly at Memory T-Cells and not in Antibodies…

[X-Tryman]

Also please note, based on statistics from Scotland posted earlier, hospitalization rate in vaccinated group is almost double compared to unvaccinated!

 

Based on statistic from England, hospitalization rate in vaccinated group is also quite higher.

 

This could be indication of ADE (Antibody-dependent Enhancement).

Edited August 7, 2021 by X-Tryman

[Bob]

2 hours ago, Tbs77 said:

In addition, once FDA approves vaccine mandates will come rapidly from employers and universities.

Persons can be fired and will not be eligible for unemployment.

IMHO, expect Caesar to make it mandatory wherever we live.

Dr. Anthony Fauci: Expect 'a flood' of COVID-19 vaccine mandates after full FDA approval

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5513121001

If your employer fires you because you won’t get the COVID vaccine, don’t expect to collect unemployment

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dont-expect-unemployment-benefits-if-you-dont-comply-with-your-employers-vaccine-requirement-11628287814

Yep. My employer had a mandatory meeting yesterday discussing this. They are bringing us back into the office this year, and they said mandatory shots are being “strongly considered” (which basically means they are making them mandatory).

 

It makes no difference to me personally as I voluntarily took the jab this year, but we have some who don’t want it. So they have a decision to make. 

[CHecker]

Yesterday on the talk radio show Hannity, my husband said, they interviewed a nurse from a prominent East coast hospital, said what's NOT being reported is amount of people dying from the injection right on the spot. Did anyone else listen to that? I haven't looked it up, it would be August 6th program. 

[X-Tryman]

Apparently Dr Malone is on discussion with NIH about exactly ADE effects of the vaccines.

 

 

[zoebarry]

22 minutes ago, bagwell1987 said:

Yesterday on the talk radio show Hannity, my husband said, they interviewed a nurse from a prominent East coast hospital, said what's NOT being reported is amount of people dying from the injection right on the spot. Did anyone else listen to that? I haven't looked it up, it would be August 6th program. 

Yep, look for Ivory Hecker. She was a FOX News journalist was fired from FOX because she questioned why are they NOT reporting the amount of people that die after being vaccinated.......

 

She now has her own website so that she can report news without answering to anyone.

 

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[Hope]

46 minutes ago, bagwell1987 said:

Yesterday on the talk radio show Hannity, my husband said, they interviewed a nurse from a prominent East coast hospital, said what's NOT being reported is amount of people dying from the injection right on the spot. Did anyone else listen to that? I haven't looked it up, it would be August 6th program. 

This- after his plea for all to take C-19 seriously and get vaccinated just a couple of weeks ago??  🙄😒

 

I can't find any reference to people dying "on the spot" from the injection- anywhere. Seems like that would be hot news...  🧐

 

[DonnaR]

When will ALL realize that the Imunity against coronavirus is mainly at Memory T-Cells and not in Antibodies…

I was thinking that’s how it is but the info coming from every direction is so contradictory and confusing. ‍
I was thinking and curious about something. I don’t know if you know or have an answer but thought I’d ask.
If a person had covid and recovered and then was exposed again at a later time, but didn’t get sick would that be almost like a booster for their natural immunity. I mean would it boost your immunity by being exposed again?


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[Tbs77]

But what the media doesn’t mention that there are exemptions available if you choose NOT to take the shot.
 
 

Agreed and Correct! However, IMHO, Satan will influence Caesar (the State) to make this an issue for everyone.

We will have to see…

Stay strong!!

Agape