Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[chuck83]

1 hour ago, Richie said:

ICC can issue arrest warrants like what happened to Putin and Netanyahu. So, Netanyahu can be arrested to any ICC member countries. 

 

Well, ICC is not the ICJ. Netanyahu and the other that have arrest warrants through ICC. ICJ is an arm of the UN, so this is very different.

[Richie]

3 minutes ago, chuck83 said:

 

Well, ICC is not the ICJ. Netanyahu and the other that have arrest warrants through ICC. ICJ is an arm of the UN, so this is very different.

Yes correct ICJ has no teeth unlike ICC can issue warrant of arrest. Still ICC is governed by Rome Statute. Its jurisdiction still must be authorized by UNSC.

 

We can say, all both are governed by United Nations in nature. If warrant of arrest is issued by ICC, the member states are obliged to arrest the individual who is in its jurisdiction. So UN teeth is extended to different way.

 

[New World Explorer]

On 5/24/2024 at 4:15 PM, MChill14 said:

World Court set to rule on measures over Israel's Rafah offensive

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/world-court-rule-friday-measures-over-israels-rafah-offensive-2024-05-23/

Useless ... same happened with Putin, and yet he travels to another member of UN (China) and member of Security Council without any problems. https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

Hypocrisy of UN and it's organs at it's best. 

Good headlines for the media though... 🤣

[Dolce vita]

2 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Inutile... la même chose s'est produite avec Poutine, et pourtant il se rend sans problème dans un autre membre de l'ONU (la Chine) et membre du Conseil de sécurité.  https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

L'hypocrisie de l'ONU et de ses organes à son meilleur. 

De bons titres pour les médias cependant...  🤣

Maybe it will work on this one, less feared than the head of the Kremlin?🤷‍♂️

[New World Explorer]

21 minutes ago, Dolce vita said:

Maybe it will work on this one, less feared than the head of the Kremlin?🤷‍♂️

That would created political backlash and mayhem as Israel would argue why Putin wasn't arrested when visiting Security Council member China. The political fallback would be colossal.. but perhaps that's what is needed? 

[Godskingdomrules]

This breaking news article is just what it is mankind trying to feel important and what is new.. take any organisation scrambling for power, all it is a sector of world government having no power whatsoever to support there mandate, all they are is a small barking dog unable to carry out anything important. 
Not long now though before they do have power… can’t wait.

[Dolce vita]

59 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Cela créerait une réaction politique et un chaos, car Israël expliquerait pourquoi Poutine n'a pas été arrêté lors de sa visite en Chine, membre du Conseil de sécurité. Le repli politique serait colossal… mais c’est peut-être ce qu’il faut ? 

Yes, that's very true.

 

Naïve vue : If the King of the North must remain in place until Armageddon, there is little chance that things will move in that direction, but the surprise could come from there : a new leader of Russia ? 

 

All this should not prevent action against Israel which, apparently plays no role on the chessboard of the great powers, unless the more in-depth study of the prophecies says something that has not been seen until now.

 

Patience, Jehovah will soon speak through the mouth of his Slave.

[Richie]

If these UN organs can limit the movements of all indicted like Putin and Netanyahu. I am sure their wealths and riches invested in the member states will become unaccessible to them. It sounds like they are stripped from their own possessions and overseas supports. 

[Doug]

2 hours ago, Dolce vita said:

 

 Israel which, apparently plays no role on the chessboard of the great powers, unless the more in-depth study of the prophecies says something that has not been seen until now.

 

 

The November 2010 Watchtower has a good article "Does Bible Prophesy Point to the Modern State of Israel"?

 

Short answer ~ No.    Modern State actor, Israel, has no relevance whatsoever.

[Sofia]

Just now, Doug said:

 

The November 2010 Watchtower has a good article "Does Bible Prophesy Point to the Modern State of Israel"?

 

Short answer ~ No.    Modern State actor, Israel, has no relevance whatsoever.

Because it envolves KOTN and KOTS but not God s people 

[Doug]

13 hours ago, JennyM said:

Russia is more open now. 

 

News item today says Putin is ready to "freeze the war", calling for a ceasefire if the current battlefield lines can be agreed to.

 

Reasons why ~  The war costs too much. 

  Putin can "sell" the territorial gains as a victory claiming NATO attacked us but we held our ground and now have a land corridor to Crimea.

And any further major advancement would require another nation-wide mobilisation, which would not be welcome by the people.

 

[Richie]

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/wp20101101/bible-prophecy-modern-state-israel/

 

Is that statement true? Did Isaiah 66:8 predict the establishment of the modern State of Israel? Was May 14, 1948, the “greatest moment in prophetic history of the twentieth century”? If the modern State of Israel is still God’s chosen nation, and if he is using it to fulfill Bible prophecies, this would certainly be of interest to Bible students everywhere.

.... 

 

That verse helps us understand a controversial comment Paul made. In his letter to the Romans, Paul explained how the unbelieving natural Jews were like branches of a symbolic olive tree that were lopped off so that “wild” Gentile “branches” could be grafted in. (Romans 11:17-21) Concluding this illustration, he states: “A dulling of sensibilities has happened in part to Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, and in this manner all Israel will be saved.” (Romans 11:25, 26) Was Paul foretelling an eleventh hour mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity? Clearly, no such conversion has taken place.

....

Although the establishment of the modern State of Israel was not foretold in the Bible, the establishment of the nation of spiritual Israel certainly was! If you identify and associate with that spiritual nation today, you will reap eternal blessings.—Genesis 22:15-18; Galatians 3:8, 9.

[Richie]

3 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

News item today says Putin is ready to "freeze the war", calling for a ceasefire if the current battlefield lines can be agreed to.

 

Reasons why ~  The war costs too much. 

  Putin can "sell" the territorial gains as a victory claiming NATO attacked us but we held our ground and now have a land corridor to Crimea.

And any further major advancement would require another nation-wide mobilisation, which would not be welcome by the people.

 

What if Russia won't stop the war? If ever there is another way around to look on how the P&S will take place. 

[trottigy]

4 minutes ago, Richie said:

What if Russia won't stop the war? If ever there is another way around to look on how the P&S will take place. 

 

Something can always "happen" to the main person or persons who are pushing for the war and then sentiment on continuing would change.

 

Or look at Afghanistan, Russia was in there for a very long time fighting. Eventually, the cost outweighed the desire. Perhaps something similar may happen here - one way or the other.

Edited May 25 by trottigy

[Tortuga]

11 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

Something can always "happen" to the main person or persons who are pushing for the war and then sentiment on continuing would change.

 

Or look at Afghanistan, Russia was in there for a very long time fighting. Eventually, the cost outweighed the desire. Perhaps something similar may happen here - one way or the other.

They are all parts of the puzzle and one day we will see which part was the final one.

[Richie]

3 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

Something can always "happen" to the main person or persons who are pushing for the war and then sentiment on continuing would change.

 

Or look at Afghanistan, Russia was in there for a very long time fighting. Eventually, the cost outweighed the desire. Perhaps something similar may happen here - one way or the other.

For now, there are a lot of possibilities and open ended. This probability is only a possibility might be true or false in the end. 

[Mattclaxton]

3 hours ago, Richie said:

What if Russia won't stop the war? If ever there is another way around to look on how the P&S will take place. 

It might not be world wide peace and security, it might be localised to the middle east whilst other wars around the world carry on. 

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Mattclaxton said:

It might not be world wide peace and security, it might be localised to the middle east whilst other wars around the world carry on. 

True and we do not know who precisely go to say this too.

[Richie]

3 hours ago, Mattclaxton said:

It might not be world wide peace and security, it might be localised to the middle east whilst other wars around the world carry on. 

Or might be most of us caught in surprise😂. Who knows🤔

[chuck83]

US officials say North Korea may be planning military action to create chaos ahead of US election, report says

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-north-korea-may-123517524.html

 

 

[JennyM]

24 minutes ago, chuck83 said:

US officials say North Korea may be planning military action to create chaos ahead of US election, report says

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-north-korea-may-123517524.html

 

 

Im tired of the news when they use 'may' 'possible'  ... Most of the news are fear mongering. 

[Richie]

14 minutes ago, JennyM said:

Im tired of the news when they use 'may' 'possible'  ... Most of the news are fear mongering. 

If news information is valuable to better understanding of Bible prophecies that is worthy for consideration. If not, it is the same garbage. 

[cme]

Good morning friends, anxiety is the order of the day here.  Again, do not know where it came from.  News? Economy? Waiting on Jehovah? Family problems? Especially my oldest who unexpectantly has turn on me.  She's not a witness but, was never against it.

 

We as a congregation are being divided in a few weeks.  Husband on judicial committee.  I see the pain on his face.  I asked him he did not say anything other than it was someone that he appreciates much and did not think that this could happen.

 

Well, I'm full. Going out in service this morning.  Service brings me peace, joy and a sense of fullfillment.  May Jehovah have mercy on us as a people and individually.  Catch you all later.

Edited May 26 by cme
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[Dages]

51 minutes ago, cme said:

Husband on judicial committee.  I see the pain on his face.  I asked him he did not say anything other than it was someone that he appreciates much and did not think that this could happen.

I understand his pain, I had the same thing last month  I'll pray for you guys.
 

 

51 minutes ago, cme said:

We as a congregation are being divided in a few weeks.

We changed the groups this week-end, new groups next week, some friends are very stressed because of this.
and they don't even know many congs of my city are being prepared for a new slicing next year 😮 

Edited May 26 by Dages

[truce]

39 minutes ago, Dages said:

I understand his pain, I had the same thing last month  I'll pray for you guys.
 

 

We changed the groups this week-end, new groups next week, some friends are very stressed because of this.
and they don't even know many congs of my city are being prepared for a new slicing next year 😮 

Will there be a change in the meeting format next year, leading to the slicing of congregations?