Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[simonw]

I read Russia is behind the Sudan conflict 

Where have you read it?

And also Russian people are behind the North Stream explosions right?

Independend fact checkers say that .


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[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Doug said:

 

I read the same.  It went on to say that Sudan was approving of a Russian naval base on the Red Sea.  It just needed to be ratified by the legislators but the government is in disarray.

I read that too

im not in a conspiracy theory but… just imagine that Russia can actually control the naval navigation on the Red Sea and the Suez channel in egipt?

that would be a real control of the treasures that need that route to be traded 

that would result in more control of the treasures of the KOTS 

[Sofia]

4 hours ago, simonw said:

Where have you read it?

Independend fact checkers say that .

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/4/17/what-is-the-wagner-groups-role-in-sudan

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/02/27/europe/russia-wagner-sudan-gold-sanctions-eu-intl/index.html

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/07/29/africa/sudan-russia-gold-investigation-cmd-intl/index.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/world/africa/wagner-russia-sudan-gold-putin.html

 

https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/documents-reveal-wagners-golden-ties-to-sudanese-military-companies

 

 

yes there s a strong chance it’s a true fact

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[coolbrz731]

23 hours ago, Sofia said:

Silly question: how does GB know that GT won’t start before September 11? 🤦‍♀️

Answer to the silly question.  

If the cry of peace and security comes before September, the organization already has a precedent changing the meetings for the GB update.  So why can't an announcement be made during our midweek meeting, or through the service groups that we will now be studying the watchtower are you ready for the great tribulation right after the cry of peace and security is made.

[Doug]

22 minutes ago, coolbrz731 said:

Answer to the silly question.  

If the cry of peace and security comes before September, the organization already has a precedent changing the meetings for the GB update.  So why can't an announcement be made during our midweek meeting, or through the service groups that we will now be studying the watchtower are you ready for the great tribulation right after the cry of peace and security is made.

 

Are you suggesting, in the event P&S is undergoing fulfillment before the study meeting of September 11-17, that the GB could move up the study to immediately, in real time?

 

If they felt it was vital for us to have that particular study, then yes.  However, we already have the article, are reading and discussing it.  But, yes, the GB will be nimble and "think outside the box" when the dominoes fall.

[JennyM]

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019603?q=great+tribulation&p=par 

• Stay Faithful Through the “Great Tribulation”

Just now, JennyM said:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019603?q=great+tribulation&p=par 

• Stay Faithful Through the “Great Tribulation”

Whats the different with this article?

[jrnievas]

3 hours ago, JennyM said:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019603?q=great+tribulation&p=par 

• Stay Faithful Through the “Great Tribulation”

Whats the different with this article?

Where's the difference?

[Sofia]

4 hours ago, JennyM said:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019603?q=great+tribulation&p=par 

• Stay Faithful Through the “Great Tribulation”

Whats the different with this article?

This article showed that the conventions from 2016-2019 helped us in advance to prepare us to GT by encouraging us to have

courage loyalty endurance and love 

 

this new published article shows we need endurance compassion and love 

[JennyM]

5 hours ago, jrnievas said:

Where's the difference?

difference with the new article "Are you ready for the Great Tribulation."?

[80snewwave]

Russia's Push for Multipolar World Order, Role of UN

https://menafn.com/1106042749/Russias-Push-for-Multipolar-World-Order-Role-of-UN

 

The article brings out that on April 24, there's going to be a debate in the United Nations.

Russia will chair the debate and it's basically about the changing of the world order from a unipolar(American led) world order, to a multipolar world order based on the principles of Charter of the UN.

 

The article further mentions that certain major nations such as China, Türkiye , Brazil, India may respond to the creation of a multipolar world order. 

 

I'll be watching on April 24 for any news reports.

[80snewwave]

For me personally, these "multipolar world order" news reports call to mind what Brother Leonard Meyers said during the

"Jehovah Guides Us in the Way of Peace-Part 2" 2022 Drama, at the 31:31 minute mark.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/VODMoviesBibleTimes/pub-wpc_2_VIDEO

 

Brother Meyers said that soon "The political rulers of the world will give the United Nations unprecedented power and authority".

Perhaps, just perhaps, (in my imperfect viewpoint) these debates/meetings could be a beginning of developments that lead to the nations (hopefully very soon) to be declaring "peace and security!"

We'll have to wait and see if any of this happens.

Either way the Great Tribulation will soon begin.

 

Keeping on the watch

Edited April 20, 2023 by 80snewwave

[Sofia]

We will have one watchtower article about GT in august and another in September 

will it be a trend?

[Sofia]

2 hours ago, 80snewwave said:

Russia's Push for Multipolar World Order, Role of UN

https://menafn.com/1106042749/Russias-Push-for-Multipolar-World-Order-Role-of-UN

 

The article brings out that on April 24, there's going to be a debate in the United Nations.

Russia will chair the debate and it's basically about the changing of the world order from a unipolar(American led) world order, to a multipolar world order based on the principles of Charter of the UN.

 

The article further mentions that certain major nations such as China, Türkiye , Brazil, India may respond to the creation of a multipolar world order. 

 

I'll be watching on April 24 for any news reports.

Bible says that Anglo American power will lead the World untill Armagedom 

[Shawnster]

On 4/18/2023 at 9:18 PM, Sofia said:

Silly question: how does GB know that GT won’t start before September 11? 🤦‍♀️

 

They don't.  They are not prophets. They do not know what future events will happen when with any more certainty than you or I. 

 

There is no scriptural reason and no Watchtower article to conclude the GB, the FDS, will receive such advanced divine revelations. 

 

The start of the great tribulation will interrupt our preaching work and any projects we have planned or going on. This includes our meeting scheduled programs

[Dhanyel]

This weekend's study will also help us a lot 

 

STUDY ARTICLE 8“Keep Your Senses, Be Watchful!”“Keep your senses, be watchful!”—1 PET. 5:8.

https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=2023285

[jrnievas]

9 hours ago, Sofia said:

Bible says that Anglo American power will lead the World untill Armagedom 

Where in the Bible?

[Hotteok]

1 hour ago, jrnievas said:

Where in the Bible?

 

The rock hits the statue in the feet (anglo america) meaning the world will end before another world power comes. 

[JennyM]

1 hour ago, jrnievas said:

Where in the Bible?

Anglo american is the world power . No doubt they will lead the world until armageddon

[JennyM]

 

It seems that the attack will lead by King of the North. 

[jrnievas]

2 hours ago, JennyM said:

 

It seems that the attack will lead by King of the North. 

I'm referring to this... not the Anglo-American Power will lead the final attack til Armageddon... In Dan. 2:41-44, it just illustrates that Anglo-American is still in power when God's Kingdom taking it place.... But in Dan. 11:44, 45, it said that the KOTN may lead the final attack along with the rest of worlds government (including the KOTS)....

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, jrnievas said:

Where in the Bible?

Daniel 

chapter 2. Statue feet

chapter 7 the horn 

chapter 8 the horn

revelation chapters 13/19 the beast from the earth with 2 horns

[jrnievas]

2 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Daniel 

chapter 2. Statue feet

chapter 7 the horn 

chapter 8 the horn

revelation chapters 13/19 the beast from the earth with 2 horns

But the Bible does not mentioned nor indicate that the Last World Power will lead the final attack til Armageddon.... but KOTN rather.....

[Sofia]

8 minutes ago, jrnievas said:

I'm referring to this... not the Anglo-American Power will lead the final attack til Armageddon... In Dan. 2:41-44, it just illustrates that Anglo-American is still in power when God's Kingdom taking it place.... But in Dan. 11:44, 45, it said that the KOTN may lead the final attack along with the rest of worlds government (including the KOTS)....

Anglo American is the last leading power on Earth before Armagedom 

 

The coalition of nations that will atack Jehovah s people is a coalition not just one power. Led by KOTN? We will wait and see 

 

it was mentioned recently it may well be the majority or even all 193 nations of UN

it makes sense

after all of UN is the disgusting thing beast that causes false religion desolation it might as well be the coalition that hunts Jehovah s people to destroy them.

[Sofia]

5 minutes ago, jrnievas said:

But the Bible does not mentioned nor indicate that the Last World Power will lead the final attack til Armageddon.... but KOTN rather.....

 

The final

attack will be by a coalition of nations. Anglo American power will be destroyed in Armagedom 

which means it will be in full power untill then. Revelation 19:20

 

ive written that Anglo American will lead the world 

not leading the final attack

 

i was talking about war in Ukraine and a new world order without Anglo American power on the lead. Russian president wants that but that’s not what Bible says 

 

Edited April 21, 2023 by Sofia

[jrnievas]

 

1 minute ago, Sofia said:

Anglo American is the last leading power on Earth before Armagedom 

I agree.

 

1 minute ago, Sofia said:

The coalition of nations that will atack Jehovah s people is a coalition not just one power

That's right.
 

2 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Led by KOTN? We will wait and see 

It may "possibly" lead by KOTN according to the current understanding of FDS.

 

2 minutes ago, Sofia said:

It was mentioned recently it may well be the majority or even all 193 nations of UN

it makes sense

But it's just a comparison from what Jehovah does to the nations in ancient Israel ... 

 

Though the UN is the wild beast, but the scriptures does not mentioned that it will lead the attack to God's people.......

The wild beast is the one who will lead to the destruction of false religion, not on God's people .......

5 minutes ago, Sofia said:

ive written that Anglo American will lead the world 

not leading the final attack

aaah, I get your point, so you are saying that the Anglo-American will be the last world power that will exist in this world until Armageddon... ahh, okay...