Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Dhanyel]

2 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

Syrian rebels appear to have entered Damascus as regime’s defenses collapse

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/syria-civil-war-12-07-2024-intl/index.html

“Militarily, Damascus has fallen,” a source familiar with the rebels’ advance told CNN."

Edited December 8 by Dhanyel

[felito]

Syrian government appears to have fallen in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad family

 

https://apnews.com/article/syria-assad-sweida-daraa-homs-hts-qatar-7f65823bbf0a7bd331109e8dff419430

[New World Explorer]

4 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

Syrian rebels appear to have entered Damascus as regime’s defenses collapse

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/syria-civil-war-12-07-2024-intl/index.html

Iran was actively and strategically involved in keeping Syrian government in power. The fall of Assad is another example how Iran is loosing control in the Middle East (also not forgetting Russia) This is perfect example how few days can change the scene of the world. 

[Dustparticle]

25 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Iran was actively and strategically involved in keeping Syrian government in power. The fall of Assad is another example how Iran is loosing control in the Middle East (also not forgetting Russia) This is perfect example how few days can change the scene of the world. 

 Iran is basically broke and Russia is having problems too.

[New World Explorer]

One US official told CNN that events in Syria mark the collapse of “Iran’s artifice” across the Middle East.

The potential toppling of the Iran-backed Assad would follow the decimation of key Tehran proxies Hezbollah and Hamas in conflicts with Israel over the past 14 months.

US President Joe Biden is “closely monitoring” developments in Syria, according to a statement.https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/syria-civil-war-12-08-2024/index.html

 

Recently whatever Iran touches it falls apart quickly .. Hamas, Hezbollah and now Assad. 

How the clerics will explain to people that "Allah is with them?"  

Could all these loses embolden uprising in Iran itself? Time will tell....

1 Cor 7:31 "for the scene of this world is changing" 

[Miss Bea]

I like the scripture, Ecc. 10:20. “Even in your thoughts, do not curse the king, and do not curse the rich in your bedroom; for a bird may convey the sound, or a creature with wings may repeat what was said.”

i vaguely remember a sister, on this forum. She was from Russia. And, she was afraid of what was going on. In her home country.
Someone said something, (a post) she said something like, “don’t say that. They might read it.” 
This may be way out there, but on this forum, politics makes me nervous. What if someone in high power managed to read it? Would they recognize us as neutral? And, have no ammunition to go after us? 
I know. I might be a tad paranoid. 
‘Tis true some hard truths that are a part of prophecy, they are there. But, it’s not a political opinion. It’s a fact. 
And, I know we are not going to escape the brunt of Satan’s attack…

One day we will be out there with a message that is not the least bit flattering to the powers that be, but, we will be cooperating with our King. 

Edited December 8 by Miss Bea

[Sofia]

The End of the King of the North has just started 

Tremendously fabulous moments we are living in!!

[truce]

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

The End of the King of the North has just started 

Tremendously fabulous moments we are living in!!

Discuss

[Osprey]

KOTN will be well and alive and in conflict with KOTS until the end. KOTS will not destroy him, somebody else will, I think you know who.

Edited Sunday at 02:30 PM by Osprey

[Sofia]

50 minutes ago, Osprey said:

KOTN will be well and alive and in conflict with KOTS until the end. KOTS will not destroy him, somebody else will, I think you know who.

I’m not saying KOTN will cease to exist 

I’m saying that these regimes are doomed and specialists (journalists professors politicians) say that may be overthrown very soon.

The Russian Federation and Iran will continue as countries till Armageddon 

yet… their governments may not last till then 

Syrian government was overthrown today 

All over the World voices are calling for the same to happen in Moscow and Teeran 

Edited Sunday at 03:22 PM by Sofia

[Osprey]

They will be in conflict until the end. Generally government change does not mean anything significant in this context. It is just a part of pushing between KOTS and KOTN for the area of influence. Of course in regard to Syria it may happen, that it switches its allegiance, like some other countries in the past did, because it is not main element of KOTN.

 

Aside of that, there is a possibility that events in Syria will lead to revival of civil war between various factions and in years ahead to a rise of terrorist attacks in west too, because some extremist elements are gaining power.

Edited Sunday at 04:39 PM by Osprey

[Sofia]

49 minutes ago, Osprey said:

They will be in conflict until the end

It makes no sense if somewhere in time we will hear peace and security before Babylon the great is destroyed 

 

they will be in conflict untill the end of the king of the north. 
this end is not the end of the country but his defeat as a ruler / invader / influencer 

Anglo American power will be the most important power untill Armageddon 

so the king of the north must lose it’s influence or come to an end.

 

this is how I see it

if I’m wrong time will tell

[Doug]

11 hours ago, Dustparticle said:

 Iran is basically broke and Russia is having problems too.

 

News item in El Pais (?) says that large companies in Russia are trying to barter with other large companies.

 

"We will exchange chickpeas for rice with one company and chickpeas for mandarins with another".  The exchange will be carried out "by weight" and future customs taxes are among the issues that are yet to be resolved.

 

This is directly connected to Western sanctions. Russian business sources have confirmed that delays and blockages in payments via Chinese banks continue.  The only option open to Russian businesses is "jumping" from one regional Chinese bank to another when international transactions are declined.

[Áine]

And so Russia has taken him and his family in…. Interesting times indeed 

[Old]

17 hours ago, Dhanyel said:

Syrian rebels appear to have entered Damascus as regime’s defenses collapse

https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/syria-civil-war-12-07-2024-intl/index.html

So what?

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

It makes no sense if somewhere in time we will hear peace and security before Babylon the great is destroyed 

 

they will be in conflict untill the end of the king of the north. 
this end is not the end of the country but his defeat as a ruler / invader / influencer 

Anglo American power will be the most important power untill Armageddon 

so the king of the north must lose it’s influence or come to an end.

 

this is how I see it

if I’m wrong time will tell

Sometimes I miss things, and if I have, throw me a life line.

There IS a prophecy as we all know, about the pushing of the North and South, this has come to pass and is still currently  a thing. But I tend to agree with Sofia here, I don't recall a scripture that says the KoTN will be in this position until the end.

 

We KNOW the KofS as UK/US will still be functioning as a dual world power when God's Kingdom takes over ... now I'm thinking  ... with the tweak from the AM ...  that will be right up to when Jehovah steps in at the beginning of the GT.

 

Like Sofia, if I'm wrong, time will tell.

Edited Sunday at 07:26 PM by Ahuvah

[Ahuvah]

7 minutes ago, Old said:

So what?

I think, again  I'm thinking a lot this morning ... must be the mocha I had!!

 

We know, that we don't need to look at things to indicate whether we are at the GT, that is sudden and for many will seem out of left field.

 

But what it IS showing is the extreme lack of man able to rule effectively, and if Jehovah doesn't step in soon, the down ward spiral is certain.

[Sofia]

8 minutes ago, Old said:

So what?

Syria has been used for a decade or more to fuel the war against israel.

now with Assad down Russia and Iran lost their influence and can no longer use this territory to deliver stuff to Hamas or Hezbollah 

this is just one perspective 

there are more.

in a way the overthrow of Assad is a major blow for KOTN 

[SheyZ]

14 hours ago, felito said:

Syrian government appears to have fallen in stunning end to 50-year rule of Assad family

 

https://apnews.com/article/syria-assad-sweida-daraa-homs-hts-qatar-7f65823bbf0a7bd331109e8dff419430

It will be interesting to see where they go from here... The sad thing is women don't have that many freedoms 😥

[Old]

42 minutes ago, Old said:

So what?

What is the application of this headline to the topic Peace and Security, Great Tribulation,  Armageddon?

A thought, a question, some tie into the topic.

I could post that five people werge shot in my neighborhood last night (True) but without application with out perhaps tying into the last days it means little and stimulates very little thinkin on the part of others.

 

[Shawnster]

53 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

There IS a prophecy as we all know, about the pushing of the North and South, this has come to pass and is still currently  a thing. But I tend to agree with Sofia here, I don't recall a scripture that says the KoTN will be in this position until the end.

 

(Daniel 11:40, 44-12:1) 40 “In the time of the end the king of the south... 44 “But reports out of the east and out of the north will disturb him, and he will go out in a great rage to annihilate and to devote many to destruction. 45 And he will plant his royal tents between the grand sea and the holy mountain of Decoration; and he will come all the way to his end, and there will be no helper for him. 12 “During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=27012001&srcid=share

 

*** w20 May pp. 15-16 par. 16 Who Is “the King of the North” Today? ***

16 This attack by the king of the north, acting along with the rest of the world’s governments, provokes the Almighty and brings on the war of Armageddon. (Rev. 16:14, 16) At that time, the king of the north, along with the rest of the nations that make up Gog of Magog, comes to his end, and there will be “no helper for him”.—Dan. 11:45.

 

17 The very next verse in Daniel’s account gives more details about how the king of the north and his allies will come to their end and how we will be saved. (Read Daniel 12:1.) What does this verse mean? Michael is another name for our ruling King, Christ Jesus. He has been “standing in behalf” of God’s people since 1914 when his Kingdom was established in the heavens. In the near future, he will “stand up,” or take significant action, at the war of Armageddon. That battle will be the final event in what Daniel calls the greatest “time of distress” in history. John’s prophecy recorded in Revelation refers to the time leading up to this battle as “the great tribulation.”—Rev. 6:2; 7:14.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020401&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par= 27

 

The King of the North, along with the rest of the coalition, attacks God's people one final time. Jehovah's response to this attack is Armageddon. During (not before, not after) this attack on God's people, Jesus Christ leads Jehovah's army in battle at Armageddon. 

 

Daniel says it is the King of the North that leads the final attack on God's people. Therefore, the King of the North must still be in existence up to the battle of Armageddon. 

 

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It makes no sense if somewhere in time we will hear peace and security before Babylon the great is destroyed. 

And yet, that is what the Bible says. 

 

(1 Thessalonians 5:3) 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&pub=nwtsty&srctype=wol&bible=52005003&srcid=share

 

Whenever they say "Peace and Security" then the sudden destruction happens. Peace and security first. It comes before the destruction. 

Edited Sunday at 08:16 PM by Shawnster

[New World Explorer]

Donald Trump has called for an “immediate” ceasefire in Ukraine and for negotiations between it and Russia to “stop the madness”.

 

The US President-elect made the comments on his Truth Social platform just hours after meeting Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, in Paris for their first face-to-face meeting since Mr Trump won November’s election.

“Zelensky and Ukraine would like to make a deal and stop the madness,” Mr Trump wrote, claiming that Kyiv had “ridiculously lost 400,000 soldiers, and many more civilians”.

“There should be an immediate ceasefire and negotiations should begin. Too many lives are being so needlessly wasted, too many families destroyed, and if it keeps going, it can turn into something much bigger, and far worse.

“I know Vladimir (Putin) well. This is his time to act. China can help. The World (sic) is waiting!”https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/trump-says-zelensky-is-ready-for-deal-with-russia/news-story/941cd841721c9a6a367f19cf23c9f254

[feebee]

1 hour ago, Ahuvah said:

Sometimes I miss things, and if I have, throw me a life line.

There IS a prophecy as we all know, about the pushing of the North and South, this has come to pass and is still currently  a thing. But I tend to agree with Sofia here, I don't recall a scripture that says the KoTN will be in this position until the end.

 

We KNOW the KofS as UK/US will still be functioning as a dual world power when God's Kingdom takes over ... now I'm thinking  ... with the tweak from the AM ...  that will be right up to when Jehovah steps in at the beginning of the GT.

 

Like Sofia, if I'm wrong, time will tell.

I agree. If the nations have given their power to the UN, why would there continue to be a pushing between the KON and the KOS right up until Armageddon? 

[New World Explorer]

10 minutes ago, feebee said:

I agree. If the nations have given their power to the UN, why would there continue to be a pushing between the KON and the KOS right up until Armageddon? 

Pushing has many levels .. for example “pushing” in 2024 is at its peak most likely.. (perhaps also Cuban stand off as well) active support for Ukraine vs KOTN. But in year 1977 or 1955 there was also pushing between KOTS and KOTN but on very different terms. Future will show how the “pushing” develops and changes in the future when PS prophecy unfolds. 

[SheyZ]

1 hour ago, Old said:

What is the application of this headline to the topic Peace and Security, Great Tribulation,  Armageddon?

A thought, a question, some tie into the topic.

I could post that five people werge shot in my neighborhood last night (True) but without application with out perhaps tying into the last days it means little and stimulates very little thinkin on the part of others.

 

Don't you have to start a whole new thread with a heading on it. In this case maybe you could have the heading say: News in my neighborhood ... 

I don't know what to title it 😁