US Election Outcome

[computerwiz]

3 minutes ago, trottigy said:

I just put my order in!!!

 

 

That thing is so disturbing looking!!  

[Tortuga]

I think it would be interesting (read hilarious) if Kamala Harris is elected the President of the US. For many years there has been speculation here that a bombastic person like Trump would bring the right conditions for fulfillment of bible prophecy. Many thought it was reasonable that he would be in office when the GT starts. If Harris is elected, then all of the speculation is wrong, or we have to wait another four years..

[BLEmom]

1 minute ago, Tortuga said:

I think it would be interesting (read hilarious) if Kamala Harris is elected the President of the US. For many years there has been speculation here that a bombastic person like Trump would bring the right conditions for fulfillment of bible prophecy. Many thought it was reasonable that he would be in office when the GT starts. If Harris is elected, then all of the speculation is wrong, or we have to wait another four years..

When Hilary was running I thought if the end comes when she’s president, they are going to blame it on the woman again. Eve all over again. Maybe it will be the woman Harris this time. 🤪

So either a bombastic quasi dictator or “the woman you gave me”.  Either way it would be a show. 

[Ahuvah]

3 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I think it would be interesting (read hilarious) if Kamala Harris is elected the President of the US. For many years there has been speculation here that a bombastic person like Trump would bring the right conditions for fulfillment of bible prophecy. Many thought it was reasonable that he would be in office when the GT starts. If Harris is elected, then all of the speculation is wrong, or we have to wait another four years..

That is true. 

 I know a brother,  yup here in NZ, where Mr. Trump is likely on more on re-runs of The Apprentice than known for being President, and he's absolutely convinced Jehovah is using him to accomplish his purposes.

[Esined]

@trottigy regarding your original question, if Jehovah recognized those in Israel who were “sighing and groaning over all the detestable things being done” as his people, why would it be any different today? We are deeply offended and bothered by injustice because we’re God’s people. That doesn’t mean we aren’t neutral. If a public figure is completely immoral and repeatedly does disgusting and immoral things, it would be extremely weird as someone who loves Jehovah to not have any opinion about that person or to not be distressed on some level by seeing that person have power. As righteous people we have an innate desire to see justice being done.
 

Now yes, it would violate our neutrality to  become very preoccupied with thinking that true justice can be done in this system. It would violate our neutrality to think we should jump in and get involved with making sure another candidate is elected, or to take a political side. We can’t be neutral and still have the opinion that any candidate or party can solve this system’s problems. But if we are like Jehovah and we hate what is bad, we are not going to suspend hating what is bad and somehow pretend not to have an opinion about someone doing what is bad just because they are a politician.

[ChrisW]

1 hour ago, Esined said:

@trottigy regarding your original question, if Jehovah recognized those in Israel who were “sighing and groaning over all the detestable things being done” as his people, why would it be any different today? We are deeply offended and bothered by injustice because we’re God’s people. That doesn’t mean we aren’t neutral. If a public figure is completely immoral and repeatedly does disgusting and immoral things, it would be extremely weird as someone who loves Jehovah to not have any opinion about that person or to not be distressed on some level by seeing that person have power. As righteous people we have an innate desire to see justice being done.
 

Now yes, it would violate our neutrality to  become very preoccupied with thinking that true justice can be done in this system. It would violate our neutrality to think we should jump in and get involved with making sure another candidate is elected, or to take a political side. We can’t be neutral and still have the opinion that any candidate or party can solve this system’s problems. But if we are like Jehovah and we hate what is bad, we are not going to suspend hating what is bad and somehow pretend not to have an opinion about someone doing what is bad just because they are a politician.

Thank you.  That's what I was telling my husband just yesterday. The thing is some people don't hide their feelings very well.  Their true self is revealed in what they say and do.  As a person I may not like the character of that person.  It's not political though they may be a politician. But I have to be careful that I don't associate their character with their party and then take sides.  And I also keep my opinions to myself about certain things too because it can be taken a certain way. 

[Pjdriver]

3 hours ago, Esined said:

@trottigy regarding your original question, if Jehovah recognized those in Israel who were “sighing and groaning over all the detestable things being done” as his people, why would it be any different today? We are deeply offended and bothered by injustice because we’re God’s people. That doesn’t mean we aren’t neutral. If a public figure is completely immoral and repeatedly does disgusting and immoral things, it would be extremely weird as someone who loves Jehovah to not have any opinion about that person or to not be distressed on some level by seeing that person have power. As righteous people we have an innate desire to see justice being done.
 

Now yes, it would violate our neutrality to  become very preoccupied with thinking that true justice can be done in this system. It would violate our neutrality to think we should jump in and get involved with making sure another candidate is elected, or to take a political side. We can’t be neutral and still have the opinion that any candidate or party can solve this system’s problems. But if we are like Jehovah and we hate what is bad, we are not going to suspend hating what is bad and somehow pretend not to have an opinion about someone doing what is bad just because they are a politician.

 

I think it’s natural when you see and hear 2 different politicians to naturally form an opinion without even consciously realizing it, until it comes out. That’s human nature.

I think the media has more to do with how our opinions are formed, than by the person themselves. Each side will spread falsehoods about the other side. Some will eat it up and others don’t care.

 

Also like the old illustration that  says; "you may not be able to prevent. bird from landing on your head.......but you can prevent him from making a nest there".

 

We may not be able to not form an opinion, however we should fight to keep it from affecting our neutrality. Especially by what we say,  because it can be so divisive, even in the congregation.

 

As brother Jackson wisely advised; 'we should avoid naming current politicians and giving any impression about a preference one way or the other.’  Even If we are "sighing and groaning”, notice he didn’t say “sighing, groaning and complaining” ....  It can be a challenge.

Some like to be oblivious to the news and others want to know and understand what is going on. Maybe in this case “ignorance is bliss”. 

Edited August 24 by Pjdriver

[Katty]

No matter who wins the election it doesn't make the US and it's leadership is it any less a part of Satan's world.
In revelation the 10 kings literally commit acts of worship to Satan. Why does it matter if any of them aren't served the justice you think they deserve? Is any one worshipper of Satan any better than any other?

Edited August 24 by Katty

[Ahuvah]

12 minutes ago, Katty said:

No matter who wins the election it doesn't make the US and it's leadership is it any less a part of Satan's world.
In revelation the 10 kings literally commit acts of worship to Satan. Why does it matter if any of them aren't served the justice you think they deserve? Is any one worshipper of Satan any better than any other?

Absolutely.  It doesn't matter one iota.

If the military might of the nations are but a drop in a bucket when they attack Jehovah’s people how much less is one self important man? (Or woman 😆)

Edited August 24 by Ahuvah

[Hope]

On 8/23/2024 at 1:32 PM, Tortuga said:

I think it would be interesting (read hilarious) if Kamala Harris is elected the President of the US. For many years there has been speculation here that a bombastic person like Trump would bring the right conditions for fulfillment of bible prophecy. Many thought it was reasonable that he would be in office when the GT starts. If Harris is elected, then all of the speculation is wrong, or we have to wait another four years..

Y'know, I've had the opposite thought. The ignition key to it all is the expression of "peace and security," right?  In general, women are far less likely than men are to call things peaceful, if they're not. I think we have a different perception of peace and security. It's much more than simply the absence of war.

 

Therefore, if all the rah-rah unity, acceptance and intelligence of a Harris regime declares such a thing, I think people will believe it. It might really look like it. 

 

Then... who knows?  🤷🏻‍♀️🤔

[Ahuvah]

Hm Margaret Thatcher was coined 'The Iron Lady'

[Jahmyrock125]

For a long time I  had the Idea since Hillary was a candidate , that humans slippery slope in Eden / began with a women’s It might End with A women .?

[feebee]

WT Feb 2016 p22 "Prove Yourselves Loyal to Jehovah" para 8: "LIke Jonathan, we can prove ourselves loyal to Jehovah by being in relative subjection to the superior authorities, as God requires, even if some seem unworthy of respect. For example, a government official may be corrupt, but we still respect his position because we are in relative subjection to governmental "superior authorities" (Rom 13:1,2) In fact, all of us can prove loyal to Jehovah by respecting those to whom he gives authority."

[Witness1970]

I said months ago that:

if Donald Trump wins, God's Kingdom will come in Jehovah's due time.

If Joe Biden wins, God's Kingdom will come in Jehovah's due time.

If someone else comes out of nowhere and wins, God's Kingdom will come in Jehovah's due time.

(I had no idea that Joe Biden would step down in favor of Kamala Harris.)

 

Some people think that If Donald Trump wins he will use Projet 2025 to set up a dictatorship in the United States.

Some people think that If Kamala Harris wins Donald Trump will scream about the rigged election.  His followers just might be more prepared to overthrow the present governmental system this time.  There could be violence at the end of this year.

 

Research says that about 30% of the population thinks a dictatorship would be as good as a democracy.  People from both parties think that is true, about 30% from each party.  

 

But none of this makes any difference to Jehovah's true servants.  The winner doesn't matter, because God's Kingdom is all that matters.  

 

I don't care who wins.

 

 

Edited August 25 by Witness1970

[Kwabena]

On 8/20/2024 at 10:38 PM, Tortuga said:

So true, every election is a comedy show. 

Actually that's how some of us outside America look at American politics. Like a reality show. I'm not kidding. 

 

Sometimes I watch CNN news on YouTube and in the comments section I see some people insulting the other party. Then I go to Fox News and see people doing the same thing.

And then you'll see people at one side insulting the other side for "demonizing" them. Sometimes it's too funny 🤣 🤣. 

 

[Mike047]

Of an electric parrot in a cage, it could be said Poly Ticks.

[jdcarlson]

Our best position on U.S. election, and all other problems in Satan's world is Jeremiah 10:23

 I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.

No matter what happens, to us it should be a side show. Sometimes a little funny, oftentimes quite scary.

But it is not our corcern.

Thanks,

Jim

 

[Katty]

As I understand it from what the GB have stated so far, I don't think any president will be responsible for announcing peace and security, but the UN will be doing so. I know I quote Revelation 17 a lot that talks about how all the governments will give their authority to the UN about the same time as the fall of Babylon the great, so it's likely that a lot of these things will happen in pretty quick succession. 

[Ahuvah]

On 8/25/2024 at 4:35 AM, ChrisW said:

Thank you.  That's what I was telling my husband just yesterday. The thing is some people don't hide their feelings very well.  Their true self is revealed in what they say and do.  As a person I may not like the character of that person.  It's not political though they may be a politician. But I have to be careful that I don't associate their character with their party and then take sides.  And I also keep my opinions to myself about certain things too because it can be taken a certain way. 

Exactly as long it stays in the personality realm. I never liked Donald in The Apprentice, I'm not going to suddenly like him more or less because he came President. 

[Ahuvah]

51 minutes ago, Katty said:

As I understand it from what the GB have stated so far, I don't think any president will be responsible for announcing peace and security, but the UN will be doing so. I know I quote Revelation 17 a lot that talks about how all the governments will give their authority to the UN about the same time as the fall of Babylon the great, so it's likely that a lot of these things will happen in pretty quick succession. 

 What is unclear, and I'm thinking about Brother Jackson's visual timeline here, is how much the religious leaders and political leaders have to do with urging the UN. Whereas the demise of BBTG is swift and decisive because Jehovah is in the mix. I guess we will see.

[Shellie]

I understand the challenges of remaining neutral in thought with regard to the upcoming election in America. I was finding it difficult to not voice feelings, so I decided recently to do some personal research on maintaining neutrality.

I appreciate Brother Geoffrey Jackson's morning worship talk in 2017. The title is ‘Why Is Neutrality So Important?’ (Mic 4:2).

In his talk, he provides excellent counsel and key points.

Some of his points are not always about political issues, but we can easily apply these points to political situation here and around the world.

He references Revelation 13:16,17 and highlights that political systems are wanting to put their mark on us, mentally as well as physically. We, as supporters of Jehovah, always want to take sides with Jehovah and His Kingdom (which has been mentioned often in this thread).

Next he mentions 3 things that can erode our neutrality. We may not even realize that our neutrality is being erode, so we need to be especially careful and vigilant. 
1) Be careful of national media bias,

2) Spirting events,

3) Political promises.

Then he revealed his personal experience during the Vietnam War.

He concludes with wise counsel for all of us to work hard at remembering that we’re no part of this world. We need to support the best government that could ever rule this earth. And by doing so, we will keep our neutrality and we will keep our unity.

How wise and loving Jehovah is to give us advance warning knowing the challenges we would face in the future. He understands how challenging it is for us to remain neutral when these issues impact us personally, but He provides wisdom to counteract and defeat Satan and his world's effort to compromise our neutrality and unity.

[Pjdriver]

On 8/27/2024 at 3:11 PM, Ahuvah said:

 Unclear...............how much the religious leaders and political leaders have to do with urging the UN. 

 

The UN has no power except thru the Governments that control it....the Big 5.

I doubt the the religious leaders  will be urging the UN to destroy religion.

[Ahuvah]

6 hours ago, Pjdriver said:

 

The UN has no power except thru the Governments that control it....the Big 5.

I doubt the the religious leaders  will be urging the UN to destroy religion.

"These religious leaders could very well have a part in causing people to say that they have attained a measure of "peace and security." What happens next? Jehovah will put it into the hearts of the nation to empower the United Nations to attack Babylon the Great" 

 

Please note I was answering Katty about the Peace and security... we KNOW the UN is behind the fall of BBTG because Jehovah is in now in the mix.

 

Not my words those in quotation marks are verbatim from Brother Jackson in his visual timeline.

(The source you edited out of my original post)

Please see: 

https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-jwb_201901_4_VIDEO

 

Timestamp 17.43 

Edited September 9 by Ahuvah

[Tortuga]

6 hours ago, Pjdriver said:

 

The UN has no power except thru the Governments that control it....the Big 5.

I doubt the the religious leaders  will be urging the UN to destroy religion.

It seems pretty reasonable for the worlds religious leaders to support the world leaders in any effort they make to strengthen the UN for world peace. If the Big 5 and other member nations unify and vow to support the UN (whether they mean it or not) the religious leaders would jump on the bandwagon and support the movement for world peace. Who wouldn't? (rhetorical question). However, the religious leaders may think they are giving the people of the world what they want and obviously won't realize that it leads to the destruction of false religion.

 

I think all of that will be pretty obvious when it happens, and we don't need to be overly occupied with current world events. A storm is coming, and we shouldn't waste time staring at the first rain drops.

Edited September 9 by Tortuga

[vern]

As much as i would like world conditions to be more peaceful.  It has to get bad enough to get judged. May it be fast and a short period of time.