Being Healthy - while waiting for perfect health

[Snufkin]

On 1/7/2025 at 5:50 PM, Qapla said:

Perhaps, before this thread comes unraveled and we all stress our preferred diet, we should ponder on this scripture:

 

“Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”

Acts 10:15

Acknowledged. I never said that meat was defiled, but neither does the Bible say that it is "cleansed." I was simply encouraging our dear brothers and sisters to pay more attention to their health, and the most impactful way to do that is to be careful in what we eat.

[Snufkin]

On 1/7/2025 at 6:39 PM, trottigy said:

 

Technically, everything that has happened to humans happened after their sin - from having children, making tools and instruments, to farming and possibly even living in homes.

 

It is not possible to infer simply because something happened AFTER sin entered into the world that it will all be removed. One really needs a scriptural basis to infer these things and there isn't any.

 

Note: Jesus was perfect and yet wore clothes, used tools (as a carpenter), and ate meat.

I agree that those things happened after sin. But many of those things were intended by God "Be fruitful and fill the earth."

 

I have given the scriptural basis for plant-based humans, as has the Governing Body. 

 

Jesus also obeyed the law, which was later done away with. Jesus also died, which was never meant to happen.

[Snufkin]

On 1/7/2025 at 7:04 PM, Ludwika said:

At the end of the day, not commenting on any particular diet (and I like meat, but try to eat more veggies and be moderate with the amount of meat) , I wonder who of us in the new world will be able to look in the eyes of a trusting animal and slit it's throat for the table? 

And I can't imagine horrible slaughter houses existing, so it's going to need to be a personal act 😜

Not a comment on what we'll eat, just on who could bring themselves to do it. Having said that, my Dad was a farmer, so he'd probably have no problem and we could all eat at his house! 😂

 

Your advice is in line with mine - to take care of our health by eating wisely. As far as animals go - "Death will be no more." The Governing Body have consistently confirmed that humans and animals will co-exist peacefully. How can that happen when humans are still slaughtering animals by the million? Many of us have had to make uncomfortable changes to be able to worship Jehovah. And many will have to make more changes in the new world. If we love Jehovah, we will comply, trusting in him fully to know what is best for us. 

[Snufkin]

On 1/7/2025 at 7:20 PM, Myew said:

This is definitively incorrect. The majority of meat is already broken down and digested by the time it reaches the colon, as this and the previous video show (particularly with colostomy bags, and my own experiences with fiber and bowel movements...). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOBmOWmvgXw Are you familiar with any research on ketones and how beneficial they are to our brain and overall health, of how dietary fat does not get stored as fat in the body, of how our body needs and creates more cholesterol than we take in, of how our hormones such as insulin determine how what we eat is stored or disposed of?
 

I have read the 1961 Watchtower QFR that states "on this basis are we to conclude that all animals will be vegetarian in the new world?" "if they could subsist that way during the first 1,656 years of man’s existence, why can they not return to that way of life and keep living that way during the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and then for eternity?" many times over the past few years. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1961929#h=9 I do not feel that it definitively states that we will be herbviores again, but do feel that it implies that. We do not know what was in the food or the soil then that we needed that we do not have now. Still, the Governing Body has said in much more recent years that some things said in the past were incorrect. There are things that we do not know that we simply should not presume. They have insight, but they are not inspired, per their own publication. Please see 2017 Watchtower study: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2017283#h=23:0-23:381 "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction." I do believe that we should fully trust and follow their direction. Jehovah will bless that obedience and unity regardless. If something was wrong, it was never Jehovah's fault, and he has consistently used them to provide the spiritual food that is vital to everlasting life. Perhaps that direction from that article was needed at that time for some reason. Regardless, I feel that our focus now is much clearer as the light keeps getting brighter. They no longer put the focus on these types of future assumptions. They have also seen the danger in even suggesting such things as diet anymore because, sadly, some Witnesses have idolized members of the anointed or dates mentioned in articles, and in doing so have fallen away when someone was hurt or something one believed did not come to pass.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015925#h=22 "some well-intentioned brothers give unsolicited health recommendations. Granted, someone might simply offer general, practical suggestions. Paul did so when Timothy was experiencing stomach problems, perhaps because the local water was polluted. That, however, is quite different from trying to persuade a fellow Witness to use some herb, remedy, or diet that may not be effective or in some cases may even be harmful. At times, some have tried to persuade others with an explanation: ‘My relative had a similar disease, and he took . . . Then he got well.’ No matter how sincere the suggestion, we do well to keep in mind that there may be risks even with widely used medications and treatments."
I do appreciate that your suggestions are based upon your own experience rather than secondhand, and I agree with that approach. I have struggled for years with giving unsolicited advice many times because I hate to see my brothers and sisters in pain and want them to feel relief. In this instance, I want to provide counterpoints to some of your reasonings to help people have a more balanced, complete perspective of the matter. I apologize if in doing so I have in any way resorted to old argumentative tactics or attacking the person and not the problem, that is not what I intend to do and I want to do better. I must put forth more effort to (2 Timothy 2:23) "reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights."

 

Provided that I still have my same personality then without my developmental disorders - I think that I could. I hope I might be able to become a rancher, at least for a time, using herds of animals to organically restore parts of the earth that have been ruined or desertified. I am more grateful than ever that Jehovah has given us these creatures. In such a situation, I imagine it's not unlike when a wild herbivore is sickly or older and accepts that it is its time and submits to the predators in order to allow the rest of the herd to escape. I can imagine such an animal coming to us as their master to let us know that it is their time and they are ready to return to the earth. Animals died in the Garden of Eden, Adam knew what death was and meant. The only way that they would get cleaned up and decomposed into new soil is through the cycles involving other creatures that Jehovah designed.

Thanks for your balanced and comprehensive response. You raise some good points, and I have to say that I am not advocating any diet, I simply want our brothers and sisters to be aware of the dangers of a meat and dairy saturated diet. You rightly point out that the Governing Body are not inspired. However, the quote you used refers to "doctrinal matters or in organizational direction." Stating the facts from he scriptures - that humans originally only ate vegetation - is neither doctrinal or organizational.

 

While I acknowledge some of your points on meat (some of which I do not know enough) , I do know that - anatomically - humans are herbivores. If you study the anatomy of human digestive systems, you will find that they are actually compatible with vegetation, not meat. I am not recommending a special diet - other than the one that Jehovah put us on in the first place. I am certainly not recommending any medications or therapies.   

 

I don't deny that animals may have died in Eden, but that doesn't mean they they were slaughtered or consumed - especially by humans.

 

Please don't worry about causing me offense. Your comments are among the more reasonable and constructive I have had on this site. Some people get very angry when their pleasure habits are threatened.

 

I hope you have a good day, and I wish you the "peace of God that surpasses all understanding."

[Snufkin]

On 1/7/2025 at 7:48 PM, Myew said:

I disagree and believe that this only applies to ones who have been raised on a more traditional diet incorporating meat and necessary nutrition past the point of full development and puberty. After that, the deficiencies moreso affect your brain and mental health as opposed to physical. Please see:
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies/ (sensitivity warning, depiction of breastfeeding)
https://apnews.com/article/health-crime-florida-sentencing-cb79b4b47da608f42c6f8f7a94396e5b

I know many people who have mental disorders, some of them vegetarian, the majority meat-eaters. A connection between mental health decline and plant-based diets cannot be confirmed, unless the researchers have an agenda - due to working for the meat industry (which I have found true several times). As I stated before, I have always been given a complete bill of good health by my GP, with no deficiencies. How do we explain that, if I am a vegan?

[Snufkin]

On 1/7/2025 at 10:41 PM, Amygdala said:

Interesting read, brother Steve. I am not sure if you know, but the outline for the yearly pioneer meeting this year with the elders was focused on proper nutrition including proper food choices, getting enough sleep, and managing stress. We are what we eat, and when we take care of our bodies, we will be treated back well, manage stress, and even heal our bodies.

 

But none of us should push our opinions about what constitutes healthy, because for some healthy may mean no meat, for others only meat, for another no gluten, or no sugar, no carbs, no alcohol, no coffee, having a daily coffee, etc., etc. We each only have that personal responsibility to check what works for ourselves personally. How our own bodies react in a positive way are a testament in itself. But to push our opinions about what a person should or shouldn’t do will only cause divisions, if we are not careful. 

 

Being healthy is a concern to Jehovah. Our bodies are precious to Him, and we should try and view it in the same way, too. If we can‘t go out in the ministry due to poor eating choices, then that is something to address, and a person would be best to consult with a professional nutritionist or doctor who can help, and who can work with our lifestyle or genetic or family history. But that is up to that person who needs to decide for himself.

 

Satan is doing everything he can to cause disunity in the congregation today. He wants us to be critical of our brothers, show no patience for people of different abilities or limitations, and looks for opportunities to see if a person has a tendency to judge others. He will make sure to zero in on that weakness.

 

But just as we had from our recent WT, some are going through doubts about their worth to Jehovah, no matter how well-intentioned a person is trying to be, we do not want to add to a person‘s stress  by becoming too opinionated or forcing others to do more than they can at the moment. Like the Bible reading this week, Ps. 130:5 said to keep focusing ourselves on Jehovah, and vs.6 says we wait patiently for Him to set matters straight. Besides who would have thought that a yearly pioneer meeting would all be about food choices, diet and stress?

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your reasoned and balanced response. I absolutely agree with you about pushing opinions - particularly if it causes distress or concern. I did not intend any offense by my article. I only sought to encourage a healthy lifestyle.

 

Having said that, many responders on here are ignoring what are facts - namely that humans were plant-based consumers in Eden, and up until the flood, and that the Governing Body have indicated - several times - that humans will almost certainly revert back to that state in the new world. It seems that some people are angry just considering those facts, and refuse to acknowledge them - because they love eating meat.

 

I do regret that I published the article because I have been overwhelmed by criticism and resentment in many responses. This has caught me by surprise because I expected a more peaceful reaction from my spiritual family. But then, we are still human - flawed, emotional, humans.

 

I hope you have a good day, and pray Jehovah's blessing on you.

[LeolaRootStew]

4 hours ago, Snufkin said:

Having said that, many responders on here are ignoring what are facts - namely that humans were plant-based consumers in Eden, and up until the flood, and that the Governing Body have indicated - several times - that humans will almost certainly revert back to that state in the new world. It seems that some people are angry just considering those facts, and refuse to acknowledge them - because they love eating meat.

 

It is commendable to care about the welfare of our Brothers and Sisters, but even if we all agreed that we will go back to a meat-less diet, Jehovah still told us it is ok to eat meat in the here-and-now. Anyone who adds their own rules on top of that is not encouraging us to follow Jehovah's direction, but their own. I think that is the underlying reason for the hostility, rather than a simple love of meat. 💜 

 

Spoiler

That being said, we should all strive to be respectful at all times.

 

[Cool.As.Ice]

Here is a straight up, definite answer from the FDS about this issue. Perhaps some of us would like to take this under (prayerful) consideration.

 

*** g97 8/8 p. 20 Is It Wrong to Eat Meat? ***
As shown in the foregoing, the question of becoming a vegetarian—or remaining one—is strictly a matter for individual decision. Because of health, economics, ecology, or compassion for animals, a person may choose to follow a vegetarian regimen. But he must recognize it as only one way of eating. He should not criticize those who choose to eat meat, just as one who eats meat should not condemn a vegetarian. Eating meat or refraining from it does not make one a better person. (Romans 14:1-17) Neither should one’s diet become the prime concern in his life. “Man must live,” Jesus said, “not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.”—Matthew 4:4.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=101997568&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=28

[Cool.As.Ice]

There is also another interesting article that has benefited me over the years when I talk to someone about things that are strictly personal choices:

 

*** w12 10/15 p. 15 par. 12 What Kind of Spirit Do You Show? ***
12 Differences of viewpoint can become a source of irritation in the congregation—even among the overseers. The Bible’s counsel can help us in this regard: “In showing honor to one another take the lead” and, “Do not become discreet in your own eyes.” (Rom. 12:10, 16) Instead of insisting that we are right, we should acknowledge that there is often more than one acceptable way to look at a situation. If we try to see others’ point of view, we can contribute to the unity of the congregation.—Phil. 4:5.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2012765&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=20

[Doug]

On 1/7/2025 at 11:20 AM, Myew said:

 I feel that our focus now is much clearer as the light keeps getting brighter. They (GB) no longer put the focus on assumptions. They have also seen the danger in even suggesting such things anymore 

 

It's a sign of modesty, in my opinion.  They've had to clarify and adjust so many times that maybe they now feel it isn't worth "going on the record" if it isn't a topic essential to our worship and navigating through these last hours.

[Myew]

@Snufkin Thank you for the feedback. I apologize for any hostility in my comments. I don't deny that I follow plenty of carnivore and ketogenic doctors that have a bias against vegans. I have had useful habits spoiled by negative infuences from people who spend all day arguing over what is fact and what x study / research shows.
 

13 hours ago, Snufkin said:

As I stated before, I have always been given a complete bill of good health by my GP, with no deficiencies. How do we explain that, if I am a vegan?

I certainly agree that many people have benefited from vegan diets, especially when they have switched from standard western diets with processed foods and refined carbohydrates. They do feel much better, sometimes for many years with no notices or indications if they were already fairly healthy. Some issues, if one is older, are just attributed to 'old age'. However, I have also noted that many times, it shows up in subsequent generations, as pregnancy has the highest nutritional requirements of anything a human can do. I have never heard of any recorded traditional culture post-flood that was strictly vegan, likely because it was not sustainable. Pregnant women were always given the fattiest animal dishes for the health of the mother and the baby. Especially among the younger generations or subsequent generations of vegans, they appear to be much more quickly susceptible to nutritional deficiencies from meatless diets. In my case, I saw my sister's autoimmunity and Multiple Sclerosis advanced rapidly and severely after she switched to a vegan diet to the point in her late teens that her brain didn't have the raw materials like cholesterol and ketones needed to repair the holes in her myelin sheaths, and she lost all brain functioning within years. She was going to die, but my brother in law was able to keep her alive and take care of her bedridden for the following 10 years as he put her on a ketogenic diet which greatly improved her health, and she even regained a very small amount of memory and ability to reply one word answers to very simple questions again for a short time before she caught an illness and died. I have also seen ones who had to stop being vegan after several years due to those nutritional deficiencies symptoms, but reversing all of those symptoms after switching to meat based, even carnivore diets.
 

13 hours ago, Snufkin said:

I know many people who have mental disorders, some of them vegetarian, the majority meat-eaters. A connection between mental health decline and plant-based diets cannot be confirmed, unless the researchers have an agenda - due to working for the meat industry (which I have found true several times).

 

There is a very balanced video published recently from a mental health professional discussing with doctors the recent research showing a ketogenic metabolic therapy diet completely reversing several severe mental health disorders. I used to suffer severely from many of these illnesses myself when I was eating a low meat low fat high carb western diet. I only began learning about all of this when I learned about how my sister improved and was reversing some of her autoimmune/physical illnesses despite being brain dead. Many have found animal based ketogenic diets to make them feel the best. I used to have a fairly omnivoric ketogenic diet where I ate a great deal of plants and plant/animal fats and meat, but still had plenty of gut issues. I found things improved somewhat after I got rib of all fermentable carbs and fiber.
 

13 hours ago, Snufkin said:

I do know that - anatomically - humans are herbivores. If you study the anatomy of human digestive systems, you will find that they are actually compatible with vegetation, not meat.

 

This is something that I am struggling to comprehend, as I haven't read anything to indicate this. Plenty of researchers love to compare humans to apes, and when comparing the guts, humans have much higher acidicity levels in our stomachs. Our pH can go as low as 1, which is common among carnivores and predators, whereas most herbivores are in the range of 3-7. Also, our small intestines are much longer and our colons are much shorter. Most monkeys and apes have longer colons because they get much more of their nutrition from grazing, fermenting and passing gas all day. Our stomachs can quickly and efficiently break down protein and fats into usable nutrition, and our body contains and releases specific enzymes from the pancreas to break down protein and fat which are not found in other herbivores. So I don't understand statements such as this.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Stomach-pH-as-a-function-of-animal-species-A-pH-of-7-is-neutral-Data-for-chimpanzees_fig1_339359018

Edited January 9 by Myew

[computerwiz]

16 hours ago, Myew said:

This is something that I am struggling to comprehend, as I haven't read anything to indicate this. Plenty of researchers love to compare humans to apes, and when comparing the guts, humans have much higher acidicity levels in our stomachs. Our pH can go as low as 1, which is common among carnivores and predators, whereas most herbivores are in the range of 3-7. Also, our small intestines are much longer and our colons are much shorter. Most monkeys and apes have longer colons because they get much more of their nutrition from grazing, fermenting and passing gas all day. Our stomachs can quickly and efficiently break down protein and fats into usable nutrition, and our body contains and releases specific enzymes from the pancreas to break down protein and fat which are not found in other herbivores. So I don't understand statements such as this.
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Stomach-pH-as-a-function-of-animal-species-A-pH-of-7-is-neutral-Data-for-chimpanzees_fig1_339359018

 

Yes our stomachs have hydrochloric acid, only found in meat eaters. 

 

I think eventually Jehovah would have introduced humans to meat. But it was too soon. It would be like teaching kids how to murder animals and gut them and all that.

 

Although Adam & Eve were in adult bodies, they were basically kids...

[Tortuga]

I wonder if one day we will discover that people were eating meat for many years before the flood but weren't showing respect for life. After the flood Jehovah let them to continue to eat meat, but to do it right. I'm not suggesting that happened, I'm just wondering if it did.

[Canyon_1985]

4 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

I wonder if one day we will discover that people were eating meat for many years before the flood but weren't showing respect for life. After the flood Jehovah let them to continue to eat meat, but to do it right. I'm not suggesting that happened, I'm just wondering if it did.

Here's a topic that talks about it.    Eating meat before the great flood
https://jwtalk.net/topic/52986-eating-meat-before-the-great-flood/

[Qapla]

Something to ponder:

• It was the unrighteous man Cain that killed vegetables
• It was the righteous man Abel that killed a sheep

What made Abel even think it would be OK to kill a sheep as a sacrifice ... yet it was acceptable to Jehovah

 

So, was man killing animals before the flood ... evidently, they were

[ladiife]

This is an interesting topic. Really, with all the deception in Satan's system, and the obvious attack on everything good that Jehovah created, we have to beg for wisdom, and protect it. I have prayed and continually pray for wisdom, and Jehovah has revealed many things to me about my health. I've been on life support three times due to a so-called "chronic illness" that turned out to be a vector borne illness from a tick bite. With that being said, when I went vegan, my health suffered worse. When I went Keto, the inflammation on my brain decreased and the infection on my brain went away. I eat meat i.e., lamb, beef, chicken and sometimes fish (due to the mercury content of fish, I stay away from a lot of it). I notice my body feels so good when I cook dishes with lamb and beef, and it's most likely due to the iron content. When I need energy and I eat a salad mixed with several veggies, I get a boost. But the thing is, in this system, with the sicknesses that are caused by different insects, parasites, environmental toxins, genetic abnormalities (we all have that one - sin), we are bound to get something, and we have to ask Jehovah to show us the truth in matters even related to our own health, because sadly, the doctors post 2012 in America, have been withheld certain knowledge about the causes of many diseases. Jehovah blessed me to find much research on this topic because of my own health challenges, because I asked Him "Why?" I wanted to know why He kept saving my life, and why I am sick, because the doctors and entire foundations say they don't know the cause of certain disorders, that the body just up and attacks itself. In cases like these, even the best diet will not reverse what is wrong, it takes vigilance, prayer, and if Jehovah wills, He will guide you to the truth about it. Here's one article I found from the credible research site, National Library of Medicine. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4015562/

[Jwtruth45]

On 1/6/2025 at 12:57 PM, Myew said:

Based on my experiences and studies of the scriptures, I have a rather opposite view compared to the original post. I also want to share what has helped me. I ask your forgiveness and patience as I try to explain why I believe this way from the scriptures. If you choose to read it, please understand that I personally struggle very much when it comes to giving advice or expressing my strong opinions. I am autistic, I tend to think in black and white, I am tactless, and I have spoken without care and hurt people many times without understanding why they are upset. I don't believe in the notion that 'different things work for different people', I don't feel that's scripturally based and I believe that fundamentally Jehovah designed our biology and physiology to work in the same way across the human genome and that some simply have better circumstances than others (time and unforeseen occurences). I am trying to improve in my empathy for others and in my respecting everyone else' choices that they make before Jehovah based on their own conscience. I wholeheartedly agree with and believe that we must do our utmost as dedicated servants of Jehovah to improve our health to serve him to the best of our capacity. I respect the diligence of those who take their health seriously and work hard to do so for Jehovah. For me, this meant I had to give up grains, vegetation and sugar in order to ease my severe suffering from lifelong chronic illnesses and near deaths caused by the poor diet and nutrition of my forebears. I have been a carnivore for most of the past 2 years now. I can easily eat over 3000 calories a day and still never gain weight past my standard 5'4" 120 lbs unless I somehow manage to build muscle despite my connective tissue disorder. This video that came out yesterday explains much of why what I am doing is working for me far better than I can, it is one of the best synopses of the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFv04wcBt4

To preface everything else I'm about to say: It does not matter what the conditions were in the Garden of Eden, or what they may be in the future regarding food, nutrition or rules. We don't know. We don't know all of the details of how the soil and vegetation was different from the way it is now, we don't know what capabilities humans had that we do not have now, we don't know how the microbiome differed. What matters is that we do what Jehovah has told us to do right now.
 

 

 

If you believe this, then I must assume that you also believe that in the Garden of Eden, the earth was under a water canopy and had a much more constant temperate climate. In this case, then things would not be reverting back to that state, because the scriptures and our publications say: (Genesis 8:22) From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.” https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1979610?#h=5-8 This does not mean that the earth will not be perfect for our needs or for Jehovah's purpose. As the one who causes to become, he can make the earth or us into whatever is needed to fit his purpose. He has already done so many times. He put the fear of man into the animals after the flood... and that is something he will take away in the new world according to Isaiah. He is "making all things new", "a new earth". New doesn't mean that it will be the same. Perfect individuals are not all the same, Jehovah loves variety. So, what has Jehovah told us to do right now? Simply to eat meat when our body tells us that we need it by desiring it. He knows and has given our bodies that desire to eat meat because we need meat.
(Genesis 9:2, 3) A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand. 3 Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you.

(Deuteronomy 12:20) “When Jehovah your God enlarges your territory, just as he has promised you, and you say, ‘I want to eat meat,’ because you desire (your soul desires) to eat meat, you may eat meat whenever you desire it (in all the desire of your soul).

There is plenty of evidence that those who primarily eat meat or animal products were strong and healthy and loved by Jehovah.
(Nehemiah 5:18) Every day one bull, six choice sheep, and birds were prepared for me, and once every ten days we had all sorts of wine in abundance.
(Isaiah 7:22) And because of the abundance of milk, he will eat butter, for everyone remaining in the land will eat butter and honey.
(Isaiah 25:6) In this mountain Jehovah of armies will make for all the peoples A banquet of rich dishes, A banquet of fine wine, Of rich dishes filled with marrow, Of fine, filtered wine.
(Luke 11:11, 12) Indeed, which father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will hand him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he also asks for an egg, will hand him a scorpion?
 

This is simply not true. As someone who has struggled with binge eating for much of my life due to ADHD, I can say from experience it is far easier for me to overeat fruits and vegetables (carbohydrates) to the point of diarrhea than it is with protein or fat. If I eat 1lb of meat (I had a bowl of lamb for breakfast) I am absolutely stuffed for 4-6 hours and cannot eat any more. Sometimes two meals a day is too much. My hormones are telling me that I am satiated. But if I eat a lb of berries, I only want more and more and make myself sick overeating various carbs and snacks for hours on end. The current seasons were not designed for us to have full access to them all year round. This link with food binging has been proven in research. Carbohydrates spike your hunger hormones such as insulin, ghrelin and leptin far more than protein and fats. It's simple physiology. The problem with gorging on fruit and vegetables is so much worse now with juicing (something I tried getting into years back) because it removes all of the protective fiber from plants and results in much faster non-alcoholic fatty liver disease from the fructose, which is 8x more glycating and harmful to our cells than glucose.
(Proverbs 25:16) If you find honey, eat only what you need, For if you take too much, you may vomit it up.
(Proverbs 25:27) It is not good to eat too much honey

 

I can testify from my personal experience that cutting out all industrialized, highly processed foods, which primarily involves plant based diets revolving around grains, seed oils and sugar has resulted in saving my life and being able to serve Jehovah once again despite suffering from debilitating chronic illnesses since childhood before I had any control over my diet. I was overweight (5'4" 150lb) eating grains and veggies until I hit puberty and suffered from malnutrition and intestinal dysfunctions. Your experience fails to take into account that the generations after you (myself included) have been suffering severely from nutritional deficiencies while in the womb due to major shifts in the 70s to low fat, high sugar grain diets and vegetarian/vegan diets. Babies of vegan mothers are literally dying right now due to their breast milk not having the essential nutrition that you can only get from meat. Even if you were born stronger due to a more traditional diet, it's only getting worse and worse for the younger generations born sicker. I still suffer from many chronic illnesses due to this upbringing that diet cannot fully fix because the foundation was never properly built - but my hyperthyroidism has since reversed and my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue are severely reduced from what they used to be. I wish the same for your daughter.

There are even worse rabbit holes to dig into, such as the entirety of the vegan movement and cereal companies being started by or funded by the 7th Day Adventist church. Their prophetess was inspired by demons to teach that eating meat is sinful. This is in clear contrast to Jehovah's word. All of the governmental and nutritional organizations were created by them and dictate recommendations based on them in spite of unbiased research on diet. Satan is using their teachings as a tool to divide us, to cause us to judge one another. It's all just a diversion from the truth and what really matters.
(1 Timothy 4:1-3) However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.
(Acts 10:15) And the voice spoke again to him, the second time: “Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”

(1 Corinthians 8:8, 9) But food will not bring us nearer to God; we are no worse off if we do not eat, nor better off if we eat. 9 But keep watching that your right to choose does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak.

Perhaps, as the older articles word it, we can return to the same exact way of eating that Adam and Eve did. I certainly believe that Jehovah could do that if he wanted to. He could change our physiology in the same ways that he has healed people's ability to procreate or resurrected individuals. However, I don't believe that Jehovah needs to do that regarding our diet or that we should limit our perspective to that. There's plenty of evidence in creation that we as individuals can't comprehend the half of his purposes and misinterpret his words all of the time based on our own biases or thoughts. The governing body has been gradually working very hard in the past few decades to be very cautious about publishing any assumptions or idea about things that we don't know about. Which is why we simply need to build our faith and trust in Jehovah to do what he tells us to do now. Keep pace now with Jehovah's chariot. Don't get stuck in the past or the future.

This post blew my mind 

 

I wish we went to the same Kingdom Hall, so I can drag you out in service to pick your brain.

 

I'm not carnivore, but I eat my fair share of meat for sure.    

 

I love the work and logic you put into this post 👍💪

[ladiife]

It takes effort in this demonic world to be healthy. When Jesus said we would know the truth and it would set us free, I find that to be the case with EVERYTHING! Nothing in this world is what it seems. I’ll give an example. I buy organic produce. But I find the cucumbers get slimy and start to rot about 24 hours after I bring them home. A sister at the hall brought me cucumbers from her garden. I have had them on my counter for 5 days with no problems. There’s a coating, come to find out on the organic cucumbers. It’s not so organic. So deception is involved. It’s with all aspects of food, drugs, and commerce. Because the government allows a certain amount of whatever is not good, within limits. A brother commented Sunday that we take care of our health by also taking the meds the doctor prescribes. However, I know for a fact that the FDA will allow a medication on the market that causes more harm than good. However do I know? I was a medical malpractice paralegal for five years. You CANNOT trust these doctors to prescribe anything long term that’s of benefit. Almost None of the medications are designed to cure the problem. They treat symptoms and add other symptoms that are usually worse than the original symptoms. That sounds demonic. Yet, I’m supposed to trust what the doctor says? The scriptures say trust Jehovah, not man. Research has shown, Death by doctor is the number 3 cause of death in America. 

If we’re going to be healthy, I find that obeying the Bible in everything and truly applying it to every aspect of life is what helps a person be relatively healthy. I personally prayed for Jehovah’s forgiveness for trusting the doctor. I got to where I was on the highest dose of steroids, had gained over 100 pounds in 4 months and some time afterwards could no longer swallow. So the doctor’s promise that the steroids would fix me were a lie. Jehovah through Jesus has been making me better by getting off those drugs and finding herbs and Whole Foods that help me. I’m able to attend meetings again! Too many brothers and sisters are trusting these drugs. Don’t forget what the Greek word for pharmacy means!

 

8 hours ago, Jwtruth45 said:

This post blew my mind 

 

I wish we went to the same Kingdom Hall, so I can drag you out in service to pick your brain.

 

I'm not carnivore, but I eat my fair share of meat for sure.    

 

I love the work and logic you put into this post 👍💪

 

[Old]

Excellent, now if you learned about paragraphs I would have read it all. as is I never got beyond, " I buy organic produce."

[Jwtruth45]

3 hours ago, ladiife said:

It takes effort in this demonic world to be healthy. When Jesus said we would know the truth and it would set us free, I find that to be the case with EVERYTHING! Nothing in this world is what it seems. I’ll give an example. I buy organic produce. But I find the cucumbers get slimy and start to rot about 24 hours after I bring them home. A sister at the hall brought me cucumbers from her garden. I have had them on my counter for 5 days with no problems. There’s a coating, come to find out on the organic cucumbers. It’s not so organic. So deception is involved. It’s with all aspects of food, drugs, and commerce. Because the government allows a certain amount of whatever is not good, within limits. A brother commented Sunday that we take care of our health by also taking the meds the doctor prescribes. However, I know for a fact that the FDA will allow a medication on the market that causes more harm than good. However do I know? I was a medical malpractice paralegal for five years. You CANNOT trust these doctors to prescribe anything long term that’s of benefit. Almost None of the medications are designed to cure the problem. They treat symptoms and add other symptoms that are usually worse than the original symptoms. That sounds demonic. Yet, I’m supposed to trust what the doctor says? The scriptures say trust Jehovah, not man. Research has shown, Death by doctor is the number 3 cause of death in America. 

If we’re going to be healthy, I find that obeying the Bible in everything and truly applying it to every aspect of life is what helps a person be relatively healthy. I personally prayed for Jehovah’s forgiveness for trusting the doctor. I got to where I was on the highest dose of steroids, had gained over 100 pounds in 4 months and some time afterwards could no longer swallow. So the doctor’s promise that the steroids would fix me were a lie. Jehovah through Jesus has been making me better by getting off those drugs and finding herbs and Whole Foods that help me. I’m able to attend meetings again! Too many brothers and sisters are trusting these drugs. Don’t forget what the Greek word for pharmacy means!

 

 

I wouldn't go to the doctor unless I was literally dying from having an arm cut off or something. 

 

You might have me confused with someone that actually goes to the doctor, as I've watched these so-called professionals kill one parent, and now I'm a caretaker for the other one because of what's been done.

[Jwtruth45]

9 hours ago, Old said:

Excellent, now if you learned about paragraphs I would have read it all. as is I never got beyond, " I buy organic produce."

It was a tough read lol 

 

I pushed through it, because I was trying to figure out why they were quoting me.    Nothing they were talking about remotely related to me complimenting the other guy on being so thorough.     

 

Maybe I was supposed to be a cheerleader for the vegan? I have no idea.

[kejedo]

I worked in the weight loss field, with a number of approaches. all the studies suggested less is more. Less calories,  lower BMI, probably around 18 . We eat too much and could all perhaps profit from cutting down.