Stephen Hawking Reassures 1 Direction fans.

[Jimspace]

One Direction Fans Don’t Worry! Stephen Hawking Says Zayn Is Still with the Band

Unfortunately for the distraught masses, it's in another universe

To the relief of millions of teenage girls, Stephen Hawking has weighed in on Zayn Malik leaving One Direction.

 

One audience member asked, “What do you think is the cosmological effect of Zayn leaving One Direction and consequently breaking the hearts of millions of teenage girls across the world?”

 

Stephen Hawking answered:

“My advice to any heartbroken young girl is to pay close attention to the study of theoretical physics. Because one day there may well be proof of multiple universes.”

“It would not be beyond the realms of possibility that somewhere outside of our own universe lies another different universe — and in that universe, Zayn is still in One Direction.”

http://time.com/3836129/stephen-hawking-one-direction-zayn-malik-multiple-universes/

 

His lighthearted comment appears to be based on his beliefs.

 

This concept was also entertained in Star Trek: The Next Generation. However there may be a scriptural problem with this. For instance, is there a universe where Adam and Eve did NOT sin? Nope.

[Shawnster]

 

 

This concept was also entertained in Star Trek: The Next Generation. However there may be a scriptural problem with this. For instance, is there a universe where Adam and Eve did NOT sin? Nope.

 

The concept of parallel or alternate universes is also disproved scripturally the same way sapient alien life is disproved.  Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.  There is not a Jehovah in this universe, and one in that universe, and one in still a third and so on.  Christ died once for all time.  Jesus didn't die in every universe for all those parallel sinners.

 

You can also turn this around and use it against them.  Generally, people like Stephen Hawking and those others who promote and accept the idea of multiple universes with infinite possibilities and variations are atheists who accept evolution over creation.  If their view of multiple and parallel universes is correct, then there should be one universe where God does exist and he created all life instead of evolution.  

 

If that's the case, then why can't this be that universe? 

[Jimspace]

 Yes, scripturally, we are the only physical sentient, sapient life in the universe.   

[bohemian]

The concept of parallel or alternate universes is also disproved scripturally the same way sapient alien life is disproved.  Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.  There is not a Jehovah in this universe, and one in that universe, and one in still a third and so on.  Christ died once for all time.  Jesus didn't die in every universe for all those parallel sinners.

 

You can also turn this around and use it against them.  Generally, people like Stephen Hawking and those others who promote and accept the idea of multiple universes with infinite possibilities and variations are atheists who accept evolution over creation.  If their view of multiple and parallel universes is correct, then there should be one universe where God does exist and he created all life instead of evolution.  

 

If that's the case, then why can't this be that universe?

I often use that argument, too. If all possibilities are included in the multiverse theory, there must be one where Richard Dawkins is pope!

It is just a crazy theory to avoid having to confront the existence of a creator who has fine-tuned this universe.

One person told me it was like having an infinite number of lottery tickets and an infinite number of lotteries, you are bound to win one. The problem is to have those infinite lotteries, you would need an infinite amount of time and we know that is not the case.

[Shawnster]

 Yes, scripturally, we are the only physical sentient, sapient life in the universe.   

 

Or Multiverse.

[Jimspace]

Yes, scripturally, we are the only physical sentient, sapient life in the universe ANYWHERE. 

Edited April 28, 2015 by Jimspace

[Lance]

I guess it is how you define physical.. Millions of angels living in the universe .. We have to assume that the Angels have size, form and power... so in many respects they are alien to us as humans on this dust speck called earth .

We have to assume that was is taking place here on earth is important on a universal basis ... Because of the over arching issue of sovereignty .. But on a size basis ... Wow we are just dust floating through the cosmos .. And Jehovah and his millions of angels are sure having fun in billions and trillions of other places ... How I would love just to spend one day with one angel going on a tour of how it all works ... that would fill my brain for a 1000 years ....

Edited April 28, 2015 by TheDoorGuy

[Jimspace]

I guess it is how you define physical.. Millions of angels living in the universe .. We have to assume that the Angels have size, form and power... so in many respects they are alien to us as humans on this dust speck called earth.

 

Hi Lance, physical is made of atoms. Physical is natural. Angels are not physical but are spiritual beings. They are supernatural. This is seen in the Bible too:

• Manoah’s angel in Judges 13:20 demonstrated that angels are not made of atoms and are supernatural when he stepped into the flames of a burning altar and ascended to God's court.
• At Judges 6:21 an angel dematerialized or vanished in plain sight.
• At Daniel 9:21 the angel Gabriel traveled at tremendous speed, possibly faster than the speed of light, to visit Daniel. The Insight book under “Angel” sites this passage, and notes that angels can travel at “tremendous speeds, far exceeding the limits of the physical world.” And we are also familiar with the angel who protected the three Hebrews in the fiery furnace.
• At John 8:23 Jesus declared that the spirit realm is the "realms above" and not of this world.

[seagull]

The concept of parallel or alternate universes is also disproved scripturally the same way sapient alien life is disproved. Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. There is not a Jehovah in this universe, and one in that universe, and one in still a third and so on. Christ died once for all time. Jesus didn't die in every universe for all those parallel sinners.

You can also turn this around and use it against them. Generally, people like Stephen Hawking and those others who promote and accept the idea of multiple universes with infinite possibilities and variations are atheists who accept evolution over creation. If their view of multiple and parallel universes is correct, then there should be one universe where God does exist and he created all life instead of evolution.

If that's the case, then why can't this be that universe?

I have no particular view on the VERY deep and theoretical maths and physics needed to propose the idea of multiverses but why does Jehovah have to be IN this universe? He created it. He was present before it was created therefore he must exist in a form not dependent on the laws present in the universe and capable of being outside the bounds of the universe. Jehovah exists regardless of the existence of the universe.

There are if course very scriptural reasons around universal sovereignty that have a bearing on the answer to the question about alien life. These also can be used to imply something about the realistic possibility of multiverses but none of them require Jehovah to be dependent on the existence of one universe or any number of multiverses for his own presence.

Edited April 28, 2015 by seagull

[Jimspace]

Correct jez. The spirit realm transcends our lower material realm.--John 8:23. All spirit beings reside outside of it, as illustrated in Jacob's dream of the "ladder" or "staircase" to heaven. It's a transcendent, higher realm.

[Lance]

Well so far we have not done an autopsy on a spirit ... So to define it by the pure human experience or language really is not a conclusive way to say what exactly it is ... Mass and energy are really just two sides of the same coin .. They (Angels ) are just in control of manifesting either or both at the same time .. Imo

[bohemian]

You make a very good point, Jez. The existence of other universes or otherwise does not explain the origins of any universes.

It is really. Another version of the "who made God?" argument: who made this universe, then who made all the universes?

Jehovah exists outside of the universe, that is self-evident. But then Hawkins believes the universe can make itself from nothing because gravity exists! Totally illogical thinking.

[Old]

 Yes, scripturally, we are the only physical sentient, sapient life in the universe.   

I like that.

Where do I find it in the scripture?

Edited April 28, 2015 by Old

[Jimspace]

Hi Door Guy: Spirit beings are neither matter or energy but are spirits that transcend both matter and energy according to the Scriptures I referenced in my previous post above.

Hi old: that point is exegesis from the faithful slave.

[Shawnster]

Well so far we have not done an autopsy on a spirit ... So to define it by the pure human experience or language really is not a conclusive way to say what exactly it is ... Mass and energy are really just two sides of the same coin .. They (Angels ) are just in control of manifesting either or both at the same time .. Imo

Apparently the Slave feels there is a difference between physical and spirit beings.

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102012188?q=physical+spirits&p=parWhat Hope Is There for the Dead? (‎2 occurrences)

(Genesis 2:7; 3:19) We are not spirits living in a body of flesh. ... We are physical creatures, so no part of us survives death.

http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000783#h=3:0-3:852BODY

The physical structure of a human or an animal. The Hebrew word gewi·yahʹ refers to a body, whether alive (Ge 47:18) or dead. (1Sa 31:10; Ps 110:6) The Hebrew neve·lahʹ comes from the root verb na·velʹ (“wither”; Ps 1:3) and is variously rendered “dead body,” ‘carcass,’ and “corpse.” (Le 5:2; De 14:8; Isa 26:19) Ba·sarʹ, the Hebrew word for flesh, can represent the whole body. (Compare Ps 16:9; see FLESH.) The usual Greek word for “body” is soʹma (Mt 5:29), but khros, literally “skin,” is rendered “body” in Acts 19:12. The Greek word ptoʹma, which comes from the root verb piʹpto (fall), refers to a fallen body or “corpse.” (Mt 14:12) The different kinds of physical bodies are composed of different kinds of flesh, together with the life-force.—1Co 15:39; Jas 2:26; Ge 7:22; see SOUL.

Spiritual Bodies. While there are physical bodies, visible and palpable, there are also spiritual bodies, invisible to human eyes and entirely beyond human senses. (1Co 15:44) The bodies of spirit persons (God, Christ, the angels) are glorious. “At no time has anyone beheld God.” (1Jo 4:12) Man cannot see God and live. (Ex 33:20) When the apostle Paul had only a glimpse of the manifestation of Jesus Christ after Jesus’ resurrection, he fell to the ground and was blinded by the brilliance, a miracle being required to restore his sight. (Ac 9:3-5, 17, 18; 26:13, 14) Likewise, angels are far more powerful than men. (2Pe 2:11) They are glorious, brilliant ones and have appeared as such in physical manifestations. (Mt 28:2-4; Lu 2:9) These spirit sons of God have vision strong enough to see and endure the brilliance of the Almighty God.—Lu 1:19.

Edited April 29, 2015 by Shawnster

[Old]

Yes, scripturally, we are the only physical sentient, sapient life in the universe ANYWHERE. 

 

Hi D

Hi old: that point is exegesis from the faithful slave.

 

Exegesis: critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.

 

OK what scripture is the basis for this exegesis?

[Shawnster]

Exegesis: critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.

OK what scripture is the basis for this exegesis?

No direct scripture, just a line of reasoning.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins,f a righteous person for unrighteous ones,g in order to lead you to God.h He was put to death in the fleshi but made alive in the spirit.

1. Jesus died once for all time.

2. The only reason humans are alive is to prove Satan wrong. Has there been other perfect sentient physical beings, Jehovah would have pointed to them to refute Satan and prove he was a liar.

3. If there were other imperfect, sinful beings in some other dimension or on some other planet, Jesus would have to die for them, too. He would die more than once.

4. Jehovah is 1 Jehovah. There isn't another God in some other dimension

Therefore, we are the only physical sentient beings in only 1 universe.

[Dustparticle]

Correct jez. The spirit realm transcends our lower material realm.--John 8:23. All spirit beings reside outside of it, as illustrated in Jacob's dream of the "ladder" or "staircase" to heaven. It's a transcendent, higher realm.

 I think we have to remind ourselves this:

 

 Yes, Jacobs ladder and the angel traveled at a very high speed in Daniel 9th chapter was put down that we can comprehend to a certain extent about heaven, etc. However, we don't where heaven at. Is it above if we are looking up in the Northern Hemisphere? Or is it above if we are looking up in the Southern Hemisphere?

 

 Regarding the angel travel at a very high speed in Daniel 9th chpt. Did his body travel from heaven to earth? Or did his body instantaneously moved from heaven to earth?

 

Deep thoughts here while we are thinking in human terms and not in spiritual terms.

[Tortuga]

Don't forget that angels have speed limits. When I'm driving on the freeway and there is a 55 MPH speed limit, the angels will only do 55 MPH. If I exceed 55 MPH, I'm on my own!  

[gr_rogers]

Don't forget that angels have speed limits. When I'm driving on the freeway and there is a 55 MPH speed limit, the angels will only do 55 MPH. If I exceed 55 MPH, I'm on my own!

.......or 90 km/h.......

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[Jimspace]

For reference, the faithful slave's exegesis is found in the Awake! 1990 April, 8 pp. 10-11 "Extraterrestrials—Finding the Answer".

 

There it explained: 

"when Adam and Eve sinned, they were, in effect, questioning God's right to rule over a world of intelligent physical beings. If another planet existed at that time, a world full of intelligent physical beings who were living harmoniously and loyally under God's rule, would they not have been called in as witnesses to testify that God’s rule does indeed work? This conclusion seems inescapable, since he has already used even imperfect humans as witnesses in his behalf on that very issue.—Isaiah 43:10."

 

That reasoning did it for me when I first read it in 1990. I also wrote a blog post on it here and wrote a post on the spirit realm here.

[Jimspace]

 I think we have to remind ourselves this:

 

 Yes, Jacobs ladder and the angel traveled at a very high speed in Daniel 9th chapter was put down that we can comprehend to a certain extent about heaven, etc. However, we don't where heaven at. Is it above if we are looking up in the Northern Hemisphere? Or is it above if we are looking up in the Southern Hemisphere?

 

 Regarding the angel travel at a very high speed in Daniel 9th chpt. Did his body travel from heaven to earth? Or did his body instantaneously moved from heaven to earth?

 

Deep thoughts here while we are thinking in human terms and not in spiritual terms.

 

Hi Glenn,

The account of the ascending angel in Judges 13:20 is especially interesting, as it is similar to Jesus’ ascension. Regarding the implications of this, Insight on the Scriptures under “Ascension (Correctness of the Term),” page 187, wisely notes:

 

Jesus’ ascension, while beginning with an upward movement, from the viewpoint of his disciples, may have thereafter taken any direction required to bring him into his Father’s heavenly presence. It was an ascension not only as to direction but, more important, as to the sphere of activity and level of existence in the spirit realm and in the lofty presence of the Most High God, a realm not governed by human dimensions or directions. (underscore added)

 

Thus, the upward movements of Manoah’s angel in Judges 13:20 and Jesus’ ascension were illusions playing on the illustration that “heaven” is a realm above the sky. This illustration is seen in Genesis 28:12-13, which reports of Jacob’s dream of the ladder or staircase “stationed upon the earth and its top reaching up to the heavens,” with “God’s angels ascending and descending on it,” and God himself stationed above it. This illustration is seen again in Revelation 12, which contrasts heaven with earth and identifies heaven as God’s abode. This dual registry harmonizes with John 8:21, 23, where Jesus said the spirit realm is above our world, where we cannot go on our own. That heaven is not literally or directionally above earth is seen with the angel in Judges 6:21. Here, he returned to heaven with no ascension, instead he simply vanished from physical sight, like an angel did in Acts 12:10. The resurrected Jesus also returned by vanishing, and could reappear at will. (Luke 24:31; John 20:26) This indicates that heaven as the spirit realm transcends the physical realm. While it is a higher realm, it cannot be pointed to—one cannot point “up” to the sky and indicate where the spirit realm is. That is why the above Insight article quote finishes that this realm is “not governed by human dimensions or directions.” An illustration of this relationship could be that the spirit realm is to the physical realm like the physical realm is to a two-dimensional plane. A manifestation of a spirit being could then be likened to one of us sticking a finger into a two-dimensional plane and interacting with a two-dimensional being. Thus, Gabriel only appeared to move at great speed to visit Daniel, traversing heaven to earth. But his perspective was likely quite different from ours and Daniel’s. From Gabriel’s perspective, it was probably more like a routine maneuver intervening in earthly space.

 

This illustration of 3D interacting with 2D is seen in this video:

Dr Quantum Visits Flatland

https://youtu.be/BWyTxCsIXE4

(For the record, there are no two-dimensional beings, that was just used for illustration sake.   )

Edited April 29, 2015 by Jimspace

[carlos]

Don't forget that angels have speed limits. When I'm driving on the freeway and there is a 55 MPH speed limit, the angels will only do 55 MPH. If I exceed 55 MPH, I'm on my own!  

 

So if I am driving at 55 MPH and a drunk driver crashes with my car, what was the angel doing? Can I send a complaint to heaven for negligence?

[Tortuga]

Carlos,

If a drunk driver crashes into your car and you are still alive, what is there to complain about?

If you wake up in heaven, what is there to complain about?

If you wake up in paradise, what is there to complain about?

[Lance]

Apparently the Slave feels there is a difference between physical and spirit beings. http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102012188?q=physical+spirits&p=parWhat Hope Is There for the Dead? (‎2 occurrences)

(Genesis 2:7; 3:19) We are not spirits living in a body of flesh. ... We are physical creatures, so no part of us survives death.http://m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000783#h=3:0-3:852BODY

The physical structure of a human or an animal. The Hebrew word gewi·yahʹ refers to a body, whether alive (Ge 47:18) or dead. (1Sa 31:10; Ps 110:6) The Hebrew neve·lahʹ comes from the root verb na·velʹ (“wither”; Ps 1:3) and is variously rendered “dead body,” ‘carcass,’ and “corpse.” (Le 5:2; De 14:8; Isa 26:19) Ba·sarʹ, the Hebrew word for flesh, can represent the whole body. (Compare Ps 16:9; see FLESH.) The usual Greek word for “body” is soʹma (Mt 5:29), but khros, literally “skin,” is rendered “body” in Acts 19:12. The Greek word ptoʹma, which comes from the root verb piʹpto (fall), refers to a fallen body or “corpse.” (Mt 14:12) The different kinds of physical bodies are composed of different kinds of flesh, together with the life-force.—1Co 15:39; Jas 2:26; Ge 7:22; see SOUL.

Spiritual Bodies. While there are physical bodies, visible and palpable, there are also spiritual bodies, invisible to human eyes and entirely beyond human senses. (1Co 15:44) The bodies of spirit persons (God, Christ, the angels) are glorious. “At no time has anyone beheld God.” (1Jo 4:12) Man cannot see God and live. (Ex 33:20) When the apostle Paul had only a glimpse of the manifestation of Jesus Christ after Jesus’ resurrection, he fell to the ground and was blinded by the brilliance, a miracle being required to restore his sight. (Ac 9:3-5, 17, 18; 26:13, 14) Likewise, angels are far more powerful than men. (2Pe 2:11) They are glorious, brilliant ones and have appeared as such in physical manifestations. (Mt 28:2-4; Lu 2:9) These spirit sons of God have vision strong enough to see and endure the brilliance of the Almighty God.—Lu 1:19.

One of Jehovah's qualities is vast dynamic energy ... Energy is something .. It is not on the periodic table .. But it is something

Isa 40:26

Because of his vast dynamic energy and his awe-inspiring power, Not one of them is missing.

The quote "entirely beyond human senses" well there are millions of things that are beyond that ... One example Neutrinos pass through us by the millions every day and we have no sense of them ..

Dark energy ,dark matter we only know of it's supposed existence by it's effect on the material world ..

Everything in the universe came from Jehovah or was caused to become from Jehovah ....all things have Jehovah's fingerprints on it ..

Satan is an spiritual entity that has size .. Otherwise he could not be confined to the earth ...

Do we understand or comprehend spiritual beings ... Nope .. We have no idea what sort of substance or directed energy that they are ... To say that spirit creatures have or do not have any atomic structure what so ever...We just do not know .. We can speculate to the cows come home .... All we see is the mind boggling physical manifestation of dynamic energy ... And dynamic energy is just an English word used to describe the indescribable at this point in time.. To me to rule anything in or out at this moment in time is folly.. Because we are but babes in kindergarten .. Imo