DISCUSS COURT CASE HERE JW.org - Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

[Guri]

1 minute ago, LindaViktoria said:

I dont understand, can someone please explain what this means?

To say long story shortly is this:

 

Russian high court does not follow the procedures. They deny almost everything our lowers requested. It seems that court has already made up their mind to ban brothers in Russia. We will know exactly soon how it will end.

[GeordieGirl]

1 minute ago, UpstateKate said:

My guess is that they want to involve other members of our organization outside of Russia as the society owns the Kingdom Halls they want to seize.

That's how read it, too. 

[sunshine]

The brothers had asked the Russian court to stop or delay the case so they could more time to prepare what to say.  

 

The court replied: No!  We decide today.

 

The Brothers asked if they could invite experts that can explain our literature - this is important because they are trying to say we are dangerous because of what it says in our books.  So the brothers asked if we can invite experts that can give evendience about this.

 

The Court said: No, we don't want to hear from any experts.

[countrykaren]

7 minutes ago, Zacchaeus The Short said:

14:05	The court refused to involve experts in the hearing of the case.
14:06	Lawyer Zhenkov asks to involve 9 foreign legal entities representing religious associations of Jehovah's Witnesses in Europe and America to participate in the case. The reason is that the Ministry of Justice in its lawsuit asks the court to confiscate real estate objects belonging to these organizations.

thanks for keeping us up to date agape sister karen

[LindaViktoria]

6 minutes ago, Zacchaeus The Short said:

To say long story shortly is this:

 

Russian high court does not follow the procedures. They deny almost everything our lowers requested. It seems that court has already made up their mind to ban brothers in Russia. We will know exactly soon how it will end.

Thank you for clarifying that:)

[juliansan]

7 minutes ago, sunshine said:

The brothers had asked the Russian court to stop or delay the case so they could more time to prepare what to say.  

 

The court replied: No!  We decide today.

 

The Brothers asked if they could invite experts that can explain our literature - this is important because they are trying to say we are dangerous because of what it says in our books.  So the brothers asked if we can invite experts that can give evendience about this.

 

The Court said: No, we don't want to hear from any experts.

 

"Because we have our own experts who already told us these books are extremist"- I think this is the message behind 

[New World Explorer]

2 minutes ago, juliansan said:

"Because we have our own experts who already told us these books are extremist"- I think this is the message behind 

These "experts?"

[Stormswift]

Just now, Gregexplore said:

These "experts?"

I thought twirling fiery batons was an American thing. Obviously not.

[sunshine]

No, these experts : So naturally we can expect them to be reliable and unbias...

 

Edited April 5, 2017 by sunshine

[Tia]

All the same!

[Stormswift]

Just now, sunshine said:

No, these experts 

 

That symbol looks like a Masonic symbol from a distance, but it's not is it? It's a fish yes? Isn't that a Catholic symbol too?

[EccentricM]

Just now, Stormswift said:

That symbol looks like a Masonic symbol from a distance, but it's not is it? It's a fish yes? Isn't that a Catholic symbol too?

[Pavlos]

5 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

That symbol looks like a Masonic symbol from a distance, but it's not is it? It's a fish yes? Isn't that a Catholic symbol too?

It's a cheroub I think 

[Guri]

14:14	The court refused to invite foreign organizations to participate in the case.
14:15	Lawyer Omelchenko declares a petition to involve eight Russian citizens as interested in participating in the case, who have been rehabilitated as victims of political repression. These people are present in the hall. Lawyers convincingly prove that if the suit is satisfied, these people from rehabilitated will turn into "extremists".
14:20	The Justice Ministry believes that the court decides on the liquidation of legal entities, this does not apply to individual citizens. In his remarks, lawyer Zhenkov recalled that such considerations were guided by the Soviet authorities, prohibiting the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses, however, repression hurt people, and as a result they were rehabilitated.
14:25	The court refuses to satisfy the petition.
2:30 pm	Lawyers apply for interrogation of individual citizens, followers of the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses, who can testify about the measures taken by Jehovah's Witnesses to prevent extremist activity.
14:35	The Ministry of Justice does not object. The court satisfied.

[Victoria]

I am afraid I won't sleep tonight till the end of it. Almost 10 p m here

[Dages]

Pray for these witnesses

[Stormswift]

1 minute ago, Victoria said:

I am afraid I won't sleep tonight till the end of it. Almost 10 p m here

Anything new brought at your meeting? (that can be said in public of course).

Edited April 5, 2017 by Stormswift

[New World Explorer]

2 minutes ago, Victoria said:

I am afraid I won't sleep tonight till the end of it. Almost 10 p m here

10 pm in Melbourne...

[Stormswift]

Midnight here - don't want to sleep ... want to know outcome.

[New World Explorer]

2 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

Midnight here - don't want to sleep ... want to know outcome.

Coffee ?

Just now, Gregexplore said:

want to know outcome.

You can read it in the Revelation book...

[Mountaineer]

The Supreme Court of Russia started hearings on the lawsuit on the liquidation of Jehovah's Witnesses. A textual report is being conducted from the courtroom.

 

Link: https://www.jw-russia.org/news/17040510-129.html

 

[EverlastingLifeInView]

I am anxiously anticipating this. Whatever happens Jehovah wills it. Praying for our brothers. 5 am here...

[Guri]

Just now, EverlastingLifeInView said:

I am anxiously anticipating this. Whatever happens Jehovah wills it. Praying for our brothers. 5 am here...

14:40	Lawyers apply for interrogation as witnesses of persons recognized as victims of political repression. Ministry of Justice objects. The court refuses.
14:43	A representative of Jehovah's Witnesses, M. Novakov, makes a petition for interrogation as witnesses of persons who witnessed the falsification of evidence against believers in cases that the Ministry of Justice uses in its lawsuit as "new evidence of an offense".
14:45	To the judge's objection that these are decisions that came into force, Novakov explains that in this case a pre-judicial approach can not be used, since we are talking about different subjects of law. The court must directly investigate the evidence. Novakov tells the court about the circumstances of the flogging and false testimony in a number of Russian cities.

[sunshine]

For Linda:

 

The brothers asked: Can the Jehovah's Witnesses from America, Europe and other countries speak take part, after all the Bethel buildings  you want to take belongs to THEM?

 

The court said: No.

 

The brothers asked:  Will you let individual witnessess that have been helped by the Jehovah's Witnesses

 

The court says, no, we are only against the Watchtower organization not individual witnesses.

 

The brothers remind the court that this law will say that individual witnesses become criminals so  it is not just our Watchtower printing.

 

The court says:  Don't care, the answer is no!

 

The Brothers ask: will you let us explain what we do to make sure we don't become "extremist"

 

The court say: ok.

 

 

Edited April 5, 2017 by sunshine

[countrykaren]

6 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

Midnight here - don't want to sleep ... want to know outcome.

its 8pm here from western Australia and I totally understand how you feel, I am thinking of all our brothers and sisters in Russia and how they must be either at there meeting places wherever waiting too x