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[hatcheckgirl]

(43 of us here, waiting, watching, praying).

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Edited April 6, 2017 by hatcheckgirl

[Araujo JW]

Again on the blood issue ... the Ministry of Justice is without arguments!

[UpstateKate]

Yes, and no mention of Witnesses in that court case!

[Bluebell]

The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice: if there is no mention of Jehovah's Witnesses, what does this document have to do with this case

[sunshine]

The brothers have been given their chance to question the Ministry of Justice... that's probably what is happening now...

[UpstateKate]

The Ministry of Justice is proving they don't have anything against us! 

 

15:54

Lawyer Zhenkov begins to ask questions to the representative of the Ministry of Justice. The first question is: does the Justice Ministry have any information about any violations that were committed under the influence of the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses that was submitted to the FSEM. Answer from the Ministry's representative: "No, we do not have such information."

[molnarj]

15:40
Zhenkov's lawyer first of all asks the court to refuse to accept a copy of the court's decision, which the Justice Ministry presented to the court a few minutes ago. The court decision describes the case when certain parents brought a sick child to the hospital. Doctors diagnosed a low level of hemoglobin and offered treatment with medicines or a transfusion of donor blood. Parents preferred medicines, but the hospital appealed to the court with a request to give her carte blanche for the use of donor blood. The decision also mentions that there was no threat to life, it was a question of planned treatment. The lawyer draws attention to the fact that in the court's decision there is no mention of any of the organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses.

15:50
The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice: if there is no mention of Jehovah's Witnesses, what does this document have to do with this case.

15:53
The judge shall postpone the determination of the attachment of this document.

15:54
Lawyer Zhenkov begins to ask questions to the representative of the Ministry of Justice. The first question is: does the Justice Ministry have any information about any violations that were committed under the influence of the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses that was submitted to the FSEM. Answer from the Ministry's representative: "No, we do not have such information."

[EccentricM]

"does the Justice Ministry have any information about any violations that were committed under the influence of the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses"  Answer from the Ministry's representative: "No."

 

 

I thought that was hilarious.  

Edited April 6, 2017 by EccentricM

[Raven]

4 minutes ago, Araujo JW said:

Again on the blood issue ... the Ministry of Justice is without arguments!

 

They did have people planting evidence. That's how desperate they are...They have absolutely nothing on us, so they try to make stuff up, or cheat.

[And_Ray]

15:54
Lawyer Zhenkov begins to ask questions to the representative of the Ministry of Justice. The first question is: does the Justice Ministry have any information about any violations that were committed under the influence of the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses that was submitted to the FSEM. Answer from the Ministry's representative: "No, we do not have such information."

This one's a killing blow. Knockout

[Thomas Walker]

Just now, And_Ray said:

15:54
Lawyer Zhenkov begins to ask questions to the representative of the Ministry of Justice. The first question is: does the Justice Ministry have any information about any violations that were committed under the influence of the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses that was submitted to the FSEM. Answer from the Ministry's representative: "No, we do not have such information."

This one's a killing blow. Knockout

 

Only if the Judges are listening. They could have cast their votes an hour ago and be thinking about dinner right now.

[cheesychat]

7 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

(43 of us here, waiting, watching, praying).

edit: 47

 

At least 44. Just because I'm quiet.... 

I am starting to dare to get hopeful in this

[Cool Cat]

This is going loads better. 

[sunshine]

... talking of quiet, it's a good thing I wasn't in the courtroom with they lied and said we prohibited medical treatment... there would have been more than "a rumble" from me!

[Tbs77]

If this court case is thrown out this might be, in my estimation, a disturbing report from the North and the east!

[Raven]

1 minute ago, sunshine said:

... talking of quiet, it's a good thing I wasn't in the courtroom with they lied and said we prohibited medical treatment... there would have been more than "a rumble" from me!

 

Yeah, it would be hard for me to keep composure with that as well.

[Cool Cat]

10 minutes ago, Samira said:

The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice: if there is no mention of Jehovah's Witnesses, what does this document have to do with this case

So now a lot of the evidence that the ministry of justice has presented is being thrown out. That is a good thing!

[countrykaren]

7 minutes ago, cheesychat said:

At least 44. Just because I'm quiet.... 

I am starting to dare to get hopeful in this

M here and my stupid phone won't refresh so I'm refreshing every minute 

[sunshine]

We just don't know... even though today is going better the court is still standing by 17 refusals of yesterday ... I reckon that the media attention which maybe they didn't expect, means he at least has to appear to be seeking justice.  Only Jehovah can turn this around...

[Dages]

7 minutes ago, sunshine said:

... talking of quiet, it's a good thing I wasn't in the courtroom with they lied and said we prohibited medical treatment... there would have been more than "a rumble" from me!

Jehovah's spirit is helping our brother developing a calm defense.

Edited April 6, 2017 by Dages

[hatcheckgirl]

Just now, Dages said:

Jehovah's spirit is helping our brother develop a calm defense.

That's how He does it! I've experienced it myself today 

[Guri]

15:17	The representative of the Ministry of Justice argues that the Administrative Center knew about these cases, and the lawyers of the center attended them.
15:20	The Ministry of Justice in its suit confirms the necessity of liquidation of religious organizations due to the fact that organizations, in their opinion, violate the rights of citizens. The court asks the representative of Borisov the next clarifying question: which rights of citizens are violated? Borisova says that this is the right to receive medical treatment. According to their data, organizations prevent citizens from receiving medical treatment. In response to a rumble in the hall, the judge asks those present to restrain emotions.
15:24	The judge asks if the Ministry of Justice has evidence of their allegations about medical treatment. The Ministry of Justice is not ready to provide them. The judge is again puzzled, because the Ministry of Justice most recently conducted a large-scale inspection of Jehovah's Witnesses and, if such facts were, they should have been identified.
15:25	The judge asks the Justice Ministry to clarify their statement that the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses are a threat to public safety. The Ministry of Justice speaks of a threat to an indefinite circle of persons.
3:30 pm	The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice if they ask to prohibit the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses, whether the believers who have gathered for prayer will be under threat of criminal prosecution. Ministry of Justice: yes, if the court finds them guilty of violating Art. 282.2 UKRF.
15:34	The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice about the Federal List of Extremist Materials (FEMC) of the Ministry of Justice of Russia. The court is interested in the question: does the Ministry of Justice revise this list? The representative of the Ministry of Justice informs the court in an uncertain voice that sometimes this list can be revised.
15:39	The judge gives the respondents the opportunity to ask questions to the Ministry of Justice.
15:40	Zhenkov's lawyer first of all asks the court to refuse to accept a copy of the court's decision, which the Justice Ministry presented to the court a few minutes ago. The court decision describes the case when certain parents brought a sick child to the hospital. Doctors diagnosed a low level of hemoglobin and offered treatment with medicines or a transfusion of donor blood. Parents preferred medicines, but the hospital appealed to the court with a request to give her carte blanche for the use of donor blood. The decision also mentions that there was no threat to life, it was a question of planned treatment. The lawyer draws attention to the fact that in the court's decision there is no mention of any of the organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses.
15:50	The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice: if there is no mention of Jehovah's Witnesses, what does this document have to do with this case.
15:53	The judge shall postpone the determination of the attachment of this document.
15:54	Lawyer Zhenkov begins to ask questions to the representative of the Ministry of Justice. The first question is: does the Justice Ministry have any information about any violations that were committed under the influence of the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses that was submitted to the FSEM. Answer from the Ministry's representative: "No, we do not have such information."

[carlos]

We are all eager for news, but maybe it's not necessary to repeat several times the same things others have already posted. Reading before posting is always a good idea. I'm not referring to anyone in particular, there have been a lot of repeated news.

 

Regarding the police buses, don't forget that Russia is in high alarm. A couple days ago there was a terrorist attack in St. Petersburg that killed 10 people and today there was another person killed by an explosion. So it's just normal to have a lot of police wherever there is a crowd. It doesn't necessarily mean that they intend to arrest all the brothers attending the trial.

Edited April 6, 2017 by carlos

[sunshine]

I agree brother David, but I'm alone in my flat so I must admit I shouted at my computer ...just a little  I have no doubt if I were in court the spirit would have calmed me down.  That and the brother or sister with me could have pinched me hard  

[Guri]

I will stop copying the report using the Google translator.

 

Although here are the both links in case anyone like to use it:

 

https://jw-russia.org/pages/17040614-132.html#0406

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fjw-russia.org%2Fpages%2F17040614-132.html%230406&edit-text=&act=url