DISCUSS COURT CASE HERE JW.org - Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

[New World Explorer]

1 minute ago, analynandmichael said:

Please someone clarify in a simple language. Do we have the outcome yet?

Thanks friends

Not yet, but the case looks more positive then yesterday 

[Guri]

Just now, analynandmichael said:

Please someone clarify in a simple language. Do we have the outcome yet?

Thanks friends

The court hearing is still on.

Our Lawyer ZHENKOV is very good one. The hearing is much better then yesterday's one. So we wait and see what will be the out come.

[jayrtom]

Can't seam to refresh the page at this moment... maybe too much people trying to read it

Edited April 6, 2017 by jayrtom

[Guri]

16:46

 

A new question from Toporov to the Ministry of Justice. Does the law on combating extremism provide for the possibility of liquidating a "structural unit" without liquidating the organization itself? The representative of the Ministry of Justice: "According to your interpretation, does not provide". The judge asks the plaintiff to accept the answer of the ministry in this form.

[LindaViktoria]

Just now, jayrtom said:

Can't seam to refresh the page at this moment... maybe too much people trying to read it

Yes, our groupoverseer just texted us in the whatsApp group the link. So I believe many in our congregation is following it too now.

[Friends just call me Ross]

1 minute ago, Zacchaeus The Short said:

16:46

 

A new question from Toporov to the Ministry of Justice. Does the law on combating extremism provide for the possibility of liquidating a "structural unit" without liquidating the organization itself? The representative of the Ministry of Justice: "According to your interpretation, does not provide". The judge asks the plaintiff to accept the answer of the ministry in this form.

Too confusing.  Might as well still be in Russian.

[Cool Cat]

I think we have broken the website.

Edited April 6, 2017 by MentalProject
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[Tia]

lol

[jayrtom]

4 minutes ago, Zacchaeus The Short said:

16:46

 

A new question from Toporov to the Ministry of Justice. Does the law on combating extremism provide for the possibility of liquidating a "structural unit" without liquidating the organization itself? The representative of the Ministry of Justice: "According to your interpretation, does not provide". The judge asks the plaintiff to accept the answer of the ministry in this form.

I think you missed this ones:

16:37	Топоров пытается выяснить, может ли по закону об экстремизме быть вынесено «структурному подразделению» без вынесения самой организации. Минюст вынужден признать, что предупреждение должно быть вынесено всей организации.
16:40	Закономерный вопрос Топорова: если предупреждение было вынесено местной религиозной организации и не вынесено Управленческому центру, то как тогда эта местная организация может быть «структурным подразделением» центра? Никак.
16:42	Минюст теперь считает, что вынесение предупреждения «структурному подразделению» не запрещено законом, а значит, прокуратура могла это сделать. Что не запрещено, то разрешено. Судья уточняет у представителя министерства, направлялись ли тогда хотя бы какие-нибудь уведомления религиозной организации (управленческому центру)? Нет сведений о том, чтобы такие уведомления направлялись.

I can access the original site but the google translate is not working for me....

[rocket]

2 minutes ago, MentalProject said:

I think we have broken the website.

 

 

I don't seem to have a problem.  translate works for me also.

[Friends just call me Ross]

58 browsers now.  It's almost like a chatroom.

[EverlastingLifeInView]

Mine is done, keep refreshing, nada

[Guri]

16:37 - Toporov is trying to find out if the "extremist law" can be passed to the "structural division" without the organization itself being made. The Ministry of Justice is forced to admit that a warning must be issued to the entire organization.
16:40 -  The logical question of Toporov: if a warning was issued to a local religious organization and not issued to the Management Center, then how can this local organization be the "structural unit" of the center? No way.
16:42 - The Ministry of Justice now believes that issuing a warning to the "structural unit" is not prohibited by law, which means that the prosecutor's office could do it. What is not forbidden is allowed. The judge clarifies with the representative of the Ministry, were any of the notifications of the religious organization (the management center) then directed at least? There is no information that such notifications are sent.
16:46 - Toporov's new question to the Ministry of Justice. Does the law on combating extremism provide for the possibility of liquidating a "structural unit" without liquidating the organization itself? The representative of the Ministry of Justice: "According to your interpretation, does not provide". The judge asks the plaintiff to accept the answer of the ministry in this form.

[Omoyeme]

Currently, nearly 200 online at JWT (members + guests).

Edited April 6, 2017 by Omo_Yeme

[Guri]

4 minutes ago, jayrtom said:

I think you missed this ones:

jayrtom,

 

Yes I missed it because the google translated only parts of it.

Now I did it different way and it works so far.

[Guri]

I'm available next hour but then I have to leave. I guess the hearing will continue tomorrow anyway. I doubt the Judge would make the final verdict today. 

[Tortuga]

Its getting late in Moscow, when does the day's session end?

[Friends just call me Ross]

2 minutes ago, Zacchaeus The Short said:

I'm available next hour but then I have to leave. I guess the hearing will continue tomorrow anyway. I doubt the Judge would make the final verdict today. 

Thanks, Brother Guri.  We understand.

Edited April 6, 2017 by Friends just call me Ross
Spell check changed your name to guru.

[Guri]

P.S.

Please brothers be patient as sometimes browser slows down and needs bit more time. 

[Lemuel21]

I was wondering...  if we will win this case in court - could Russian orthodox church win the same case? 

Revelation 18:8

[Guri]

16:53 Questions to the Ministry of Justice are asked by the lawyer Omelchenko. He asks if there is a department in the Ministry of Justice capable of answering when a particular book appeared on the Federal List of Extremist Materials. The Justice Ministry believes that the answer to this question can be obtained through a judicial request.

 

16:56 Omelchenko asks about federal forensic expertise centers under the Russian Ministry of Justice. He points out that these centers came to diametrically opposite conclusions about the presence or absence of signs of extremism. Question of Omelchenko: how could this be possible. The representative of the Ministry does not know. The next question is: why did the Ministry of Justice support only negative conclusions of experts and did not support positive ones? Unknown. Was the Ministry of Justice initiating a review of the decisions in cases when there was such a contradiction? Representative of such facts are unknown.

 

16:58 Omelchenko reminds that earlier today the court asked the Ministry of Justice whether the ministry initiated a review of the list of extremist materials after the amendments were made to the law, for example, that the Bible and quotations from it can not be recognized as extremist materials. There were no such initiatives on the part of the Ministry of Justice.

Edited April 6, 2017 by Zacchaeus The Short

[Chris7]

17:13 The court announces a break in the court session until April 7, 2017 10:00. The entrance to the building will be open from 9:00.

[Tortuga]

2 minutes ago, Chris7 said:

17:13 The court announces a break in the court session until April 7, 2017 10:00. The entrance to the building will be open from 9:00.

That's midnight in California...

[UpstateKate]

Well, that was an exciting 3 1/2 hours! I hope tomorrow goes as well as today did.

Edited April 6, 2017 by UpstateKate

[countrykaren]

5 minutes ago, Chris7 said:

17:13 The court announces a break in the court session until April 7, 2017 10:00. The entrance to the building will be open from 9:00.

 

5 minutes ago, Zacchaeus The Short said:

16:53

Questions to the Ministry of Justice are asked by the lawyer Omelchenko. He asks if there is a department in the Ministry of Justice capable of answering when a particular book appeared on the Federal List of Extremist Materials. The Justice Ministry believes that the answer to this question can be obtained through a judicial request.

 

16:56 Omelchenko asks about federal forensic expertise centers under the Russian Ministry of Justice. He points out that these centers came to diametrically opposite conclusions about the presence or absence of signs of extremism. Question of Omelchenko: how could this be possible. The representative of the Ministry does not know. The next question is: why did the Ministry of Justice support only negative conclusions of experts and did not support positive ones? Unknown. Was the Ministry of Justice initiating a review of the decisions in cases when there was such a contradiction? Representative of such facts are unknown.

 

16:58 Omelchenko reminds that earlier today the court asked the Ministry of Justice whether the ministry initiated a review of the list of extremist materials after the amendments were made to the law, for example, that the Bible and quotations from it can not be recognized as extremist materials. There were no such initiatives on the part of the Ministry of Justice.

Thank you so very much dear brothers hope u get some peace until tomorrow agape