The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[blacc]

23 minutes ago, Witness1970 said:

There are a lot of people in the same situation you are.  That is why I said I was bothered when they sent me a check.  My check could have gone to someone else who needed it. As I said the check I received has already gone elsewhere.

 

Edit: Not just my check but a lot of other people got checks they did not need.  It would have been better to identify people that needed help and send them money.

Okay, thanks for your response. I wish I had gotten a check I so desperately need. But back to the subject of the thread.

[Miss Bea]

7 hours ago, Witness1970 said:

I know what you mean.  I was actually upset when I received the stimulus check because I didn't need the money and I knew others that needed even more. They sent the money to a lot of people that did not need it, ncluding me. That money has already gone elsewhere. I feel for those people and I am looking for ways to help those locally who need it.

If I honestly did not need that money, I’d give it away. 

[Mykyl]

OK I think its time for a numbers lesson. 

 

The highest on record of those who died of flu and cold in the UK was 50,000. Thats with no lockdown. Just plain and simple deaths higher than normal in 2018. On average its less than half that. With no lockdown.

 

With Corona virus so far this year, and no bad weather or extreme cold, we have an extra 65,000 deaths on top of what is normal. That is with lockdown to protect as many as possible. 

I repeat that is with lockdown. 

 

Whatever folks say to imply otherwise it is bad and It would have been worse. Much worse. At least here in the UK.

 

 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Mykyl

[ChocoBro]

2 hours ago, Mykyl said:

 

 

With Corona virus so far this year, and no bad weather or extreme cold, we have an extra 65,000 deaths on top of what is normal

 

 

 

65.000 excess mortality with a total Corona death rate of 40.000? Where do the other 25.000 come from?

 

And it's interesting that just a few days before lockdown in Britain, it was decided to no longer consider Covid19 a HCID (High consequence infectious disease), stating "more information is available about mortality rates (low overall)"

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 

 

 

[Mykyl]

1 hour ago, ChocoBro said:

65.000 excess mortality with a total Corona death rate of 40.000? Where do the other 25.000 come from?

 

And it's interesting that just a few days before lockdown in Britain, it was decided to no longer consider Covid19 a HCID (High consequence infectious disease), stating "more information is available about mortality rates (low overall)"

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

 

 

 

All the independent data is here. Its where everything on all sorts is collated. Its interesting for all sorts of information by the way. 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/

 

This is the kind of info you will find. 

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The number of deaths in the week ending 29 May (Week 22) was 9,824, the lowest total of the year to date but still 20% higher than the five-year average.

 

This quote is just for England and Wales. This does not include the rest of the Uk.

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Deaths involving COVID-19

Up to 29 May 2020, there were 45,748 deaths registered in England and Wales involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) (25,359 men and 20,389 women).

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The International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Edition (ICD-10) ICD-10 definitions for the coronavirus (COVID-19) are U07.1 and U07.2.

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Mykyl

[ChocoBro]

21 minutes ago, Mykyl said:

All the independent data is here. Its where everything on all sorts is collated. Its interesting for all sorts of information by the way. 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/

 

This is the kind of info you will find. 

 

This quote is just for England and Wales. This does not include the rest of the Uk.

 

So how come Johns Hopkins is talking about 41.000 deaths in the entire UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland? 

[Old]

Just now, ChocoBro said:

So how come Johns Hopkins is talking about 41.000 deaths in the entire UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland? 

Ask John Hopkins.

[Bluebell]

9 minutes ago, ChocoBro said:

So how come Johns Hopkins is talking about 41.000 deaths in the entire UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland? 

I believe this is only the number of those who died in hospitals with covid-19....

not those included in this number who died at home...

[Mykyl]

19 minutes ago, ChocoBro said:

So how come Johns Hopkins is talking about 41.000 deaths in the entire UK, including Scotland and Northern Ireland? 

Perhaps they don't have up to date data. Certainly not like those who have access to all the death records like the ons does here in the UK.

 

It seems your suspicious of the official data. I only get involved because not taking it at least in part seriously, could end in someone's death if they think its not that bad or the data is being exaggerated.

 

It is clear things are improving here and hopefully this will be over permanently soon.

 

In the meantime don't take risks on supposition. Listen to the facts as they are put forward whether they are right or wrong. Its no big deal but could save lives. Anything that lessens the impact could cost lives. The loss of life of one person who thinks its not that bad is not worth it.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Mykyl

[Omoyeme]

6 hours ago, Miss Bea said:

If I honestly did not need that money, I’d give it away. 

To each his own, I suppose. But I've never known anyone to react negative in receiving federal funds. Mine has come and gone for paying bills, assisting family, and purchasing groceries -- minus any toilet paper purchases.

 

[blacc]

30 minutes ago, Omoyeme said:

To each his own, I suppose. But I've never known anyone to react negative in receiving federal funds. Mine has come and gone for paying bills, assisting family, and purchasing groceries -- minus any toilet paper purchases.

 

Oh well, I wish I could have said the same for my situation. Nada! No government grants, no compensation for all the months I've been off work, no nothing. I work in a private school and until school opens up, nothing. For all the months we've been closed, no salary. I mean, if I could have gotten even half of that grant the government gave you guys, it would have been a big help.

Edited June 10, 2020 by blacc

[BenJepthah]

55 minutes ago, Omoyeme said:

To each his own, I suppose. But I've never known anyone to react negative in receiving federal funds. Mine has come and gone for paying bills, assisting family, and purchasing groceries -- minus any toilet paper purchases.

 

I see it as a market stimulus more than personal assistance. If I use it to purchase anything it helps somebody else along the way. I focused on supporting small businesses in my area unlikely to survive this crisis . And the government will get its tax revenue in the process.    But many people I know who are still able to work are conflicted about it. They feel this whole bailout effort will eventually result in a complete fiscal failure and at the minimum a heavy tax burden on their grandchildren. But , nothin I can do about it.

[pnutts]

On a Toronto TV station they stated the US had almost 1.9 million cases today. That figure is out as the US passed 2 million on Sunday.

 

I have noticed this a lot. Figures are all over the place - even on same broadcast - side panel says one figure, ticker at bottom usually lower - a day or 2 behind sometimes.

[Allabord4Jah]

On NPR News this evening:  June 10, 2020

 

Coronavirus Live Updates

U.S. Hits 2 Million Coronavirus Cases As Many States See A Surge Of Patients

New cases are rising in at least 20 states, even as restrictions on daily life continue to ease. The U.S. total represents more than 25% of the confirmed cases worldwide.

[Tbs77]

Curious to see the numbers by July 4th weekend in US and rest of world after weeks of protesting...

[Allabord4Jah]

Another Update on NRP News/June 11. 2020

 

Coronavirus Live Updates

1 In 5 Adults In England Think The Coronavirus Is A Hoax

May 22, 2020 • Oxford research has found conspiracy theories about the virus gaining ground.

[Shawnster]

7 hours ago, Tbs77 said:

Curious to see the numbers by July 4th weekend in US and rest of world after weeks of protesting...

Now is the time to start watching. Memorial Day weekend was 2 weeks ago.  All those flowers are about to bloom anytime now , so to speak. 

 

Plus a lot of re-openings began 2 or 3 weeks ago. 

 

Next week should see the fruits of the riots/protests exposures. 

[BLEmom]

I’ve heard from some health professionals in our area, the Covid ward is full and they are having to turn patients away at one hospital due to lack of space and staffing. A PA (a sisters son) reported he worked 80 hours last week. 
Im really concerned because people around here are now acting like it’s not a big deal. Me and another sister noticed on different days in the last week when we did essential shopping that people have turned. There’s a lot of anger out there. 

[Witness1970]

On 6/9/2020 at 9:28 PM, Witness1970 said:

Meetings are on Zoom, service is by letter writing and telephone, I am not depressed, I am retired and have above average retirement income, I can get groceries delivered, I do go out in my yard for sunshine and exercise, I am not lonely.

 

I would liove to get back to the Hall and see the brothers and sisters, but I am high risk.  Over 75% of people my age and health who get COVID die. The GB is not going to open everything up just because the government does. We will be doing Zoom meetings until it is safe

 

No need to worry about me. I am safer at home.

One thing the GB could open up is cart witnessing. You can stand on the street corner and still keep social distanced, wearing a mask of course.

[Friends just call me Ross]

11 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

Im really concerned because people around here are now acting like it’s not a big deal. 

I have encountered that attitude here in Michigan's Upper Peninsula, as well.

 

I had to run some essential errands yesterday and, in the three stores I visited, 

none of the store clerks were wearing masks or practicing safe distancing.

 

Only one other customer I encountered was wearing a face mask.

 

None of the tourists were wearing masks or practicing safe distancing, either.

It seems to me that most people are in denial.  

"Pandemic?   What pandemic? I don't see any pandemic."

 

Reminds me of a small child who hides in plain sight, believing that, if they can't

see you, you can't see them.  

 

De-Nial ain't just a river in Egypt.

 

The prophecy about 'the love of the greater number cooling off' comes into play, too.

People not wearing masks or practicing safe distancing shows a complete lack of

concern for the lives of others.   

[Tbs77]

Now is the time to start watching. Memorial Day weekend was 2 weeks ago.  All those flowers are about to bloom anytime now , so to speak. 
 
Plus a lot of re-openings began 2 or 3 weeks ago. 
 
Next week should see the fruits of the riots/protests exposures. 

Yep...However, I'm watching for July 4th because protests are still taking place today .... My state has spike because of reopening mid May . I knew that was going to happen. By July 4th I predict another shelter in order in some capacity in several states ....that's why I'm curious about the numbers by July 4th... plus I'm scheduled to give PT July 5 so going to see what I can incorporate.

Everyone stay the course by following the Christ and the Slave.

Agape

[Tbs77]

 
Reminds me of a small child who hides in plain sight, believing that, if they can't
see you, you can't see them.  
 
De-Nial ain't just a river in Egypt.
 

I forgive you!

[ChocoBro]

9 hours ago, Allabord4Jah said:

 

1 In 5 Adults In England Think The Coronavirus Is A Hoax

May 22, 2020 • Oxford research has found conspiracy theories about the virus gaining ground.

Two things about this kind of thing that bother me, first of all, it's statements like "Think The Coronavirus Is A Hoax"... What does that mean? That they don't think the virus exists? Or that we're not told the truth about it? I mean, there really are people that claim "Space is fake" and the earth is flat and the globe model is a NASA conspiracy and that there's a huge army guarding the South pole / edge of the world. But the article says

 

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"A disconcertingly high number of adults in England do not agree with the scientific and governmental consensus on the coronavirus pandemic,"

Quite different than the blunt assessment "Coronavirus is a hoax"

 

The other thing that bothers me is that this is again connecting conspiracy theories to a disdain for vaccinations. You are labelled a "conspiracy theorist" if you distrust big pharma or do not think that Bill Gates is the New Age Messiah, the biggest philanthropist since Jesus himself. 

 

Sorry, but I have no other term for that than "propaganda"

[Tbs77]

https://apple.news/AAw-tWK7GT26hwlRXvYZ9Pw


When Gov. Doug Ducey allowed Arizona’s stay-at-home order to expire on May 15, 340 patients were in intensive care units statewide due to the novel coronavirus — the largest number since the beginning of the pandemic. Public health experts at the University of Arizona spent the week before publicly pleading with Ducey to postpone reopening, suggesting cases in the state were still projected to grow.

About two weeks later, the maximum amount of time it takes the virus to incubate, Arizona began seeing a precipitous rise in cases and a flood of new hospitalizations, straining medical resources and forcing the state’s top medical official to reissue a March order urging all hospitals to activate emergency plans.

[elisha]

It's been the same here in my area of California.  Nearly all stores are open for business, parking lots have filled, casinos have been opening up last week and this week.  I'm afraid the numbers won't reflect reality till the end of the month.  I agree - July 4th should be interesting this year.