The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[pnutts]

I don't like fox national news - too one way political - and has been for years.

[Bob]

58 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

While I find “ virtue signaling “ disingenuous in many cases. And suspicious nearly every time I even hear the words ( I really do t know why).  When it comes to something that may , even to a limited extent, work I don’t t care about the persons motive.  

Oh yeah that sounds good and all, but motives is all that matters with this issue. If you're wearing a mask anywhere in public no matter the setting, you love people, but if you're not wearing one 24/7 or anytime you step out side, you don't care about people and want to infect grandma. 

 

The scientific reasons for wearing a mask are in the distant past. Its all about symbolism and signaling. This signaling is actively promulgated by media AND government, because the goal is to shame you.

Edited July 14, 2020 by Bob

[Hope]

Maybe it's that way for you, @Bob. It's not for me, nor anyone I know or associate with.

 

Except you... 🤔

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Hope said:

Maybe it's that way for you, @Bob. It's not for me, nor anyone I know or associate with.

 

Except you... 🤔

That’s the beauty of discourse. We really get to learn each other’s individual differences. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Bob

[Hope]

Indeed..

[Tortuga]

🚶‍♂️🔥

[BenJepthah]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

 

The scientific reasons for wearing a mask are in the distant past. Its all about symbolism and signaling. This signaling is actively promulgated by media AND government, because the goal is to shame you.

I get you. And agree that mask wearing, like just about every other thing the media addresses these days , is being politicized. I see the repugnant virtue signaling and the even more repugnant shaming. I’ve even seen a story in which a man refusing to wear a mask was killed ( presumably because of refusal to leave a store while also refusing to wear a mask). Ugly and horrible.             That acknowledged.

      The Science is still valid.  I don’t tolerate bullies ( even mask bullies) I often carry a spare mask just in case it should be needed to help one who doesn’t have one. But I would not shame them or force the issue. We cannot know their true or imagined circumstances. But due to my love for others I will probably be keeping a mask on hand long after this pandemic is officially declared over. After all, my work is close to the epicenter always. 

[Bob]

36 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

I get you. And agree that mask wearing, like just about every other thing the media addresses these days , is being politicized. I see the repugnant virtue signaling and the even more repugnant shaming. I’ve even seen a story in which a man refusing to wear a mask was killed ( presumably because of refusal to leave a store while also refusing to wear a mask). Ugly and horrible.             That acknowledged.

      The Science is still valid.  I don’t tolerate bullies ( even mask bullies) I often carry a spare mask just in case it should be needed to help one who doesn’t have one. But I would not shame them or force the issue. We cannot know their true or imagined circumstances. But due to my love for others I will probably be keeping a mask on hand long after this pandemic is officially declared over. After all, my work is close to the epicenter always. 

Yes, the science is valid. And I frankly don't care why someone wears a mask. But issues arise when people do so out of feelings of Patriotism (like in 1918-1919) OR a desire to save someone else's grandma, and that really questionable motivation will cause people to confront you. There was an interested comment I read on this:

 

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So, when you spot a person going maskless in public, should you call them out? If you don’t, are you not doing enough to help protect people who are at higher risk of developing serious complications if they contract COVID-19? It’s hard to imagine that many people are actively trying to put others at risk, says Aziza Ahmed, a law professor who specializes in health law at Northeastern. That’s why everyone should approach the situation with sensitivity, she says. If people who are not wearing masks are standing close to each other and don’t look like they’re family, is it possible that they are living together? “We have to be sensitive to the fact that we don’t actually know why they might not be following public health guidance,” Ahmed says. “You just might have to leave or separate yourself, and I think it’s becoming increasingly acceptable to say things like, ‘please stand back,’ ‘please stand away from me.’”

 

https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/05/15/someone-walks-by-you-not-wearing-a-mask-what-should-you-do/

 

This is where your "virtue signaling" can get you into serious trouble. That's why I stick to the advice: "Wear your mask, mind your own business". 

Edited July 14, 2020 by Bob

[BenJepthah]

9 minutes ago, Bob said:

hat's why I stick to the advice: "Wear your mask, mind you own business". 

That’s good advice

[Bob]

Some good, encouraging news for a change about a potential vaccine:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/health/moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-phase-1-study/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1vxH0BzNLgkzrLQF6UUDhvHPSjRKMG7t7pK9LkR67fFi5cC5X_15Bx1dc

[Shawnster]

40 minutes ago, Bob said:

 

https://news.northeastern.edu/2020/05/15/someone-walks-by-you-not-wearing-a-mask-what-should-you-do/

 

This is where your "virtue signaling" can get you into serious trouble. That's why I stick to the advice: "Wear your mask, mind your own business". 

How was your attention drawn to this article? 

[BenJepthah]

This is were  I find myself in many things. I have decided a long time ago to choose what is right and correct in every situation. Sometimes that means ignoring what others think and do and say. Usually ( not always but with a very very small margin bordering on the theoretical ) that is in line with the Organizations direction .  I haven’t t found that I can go wrong in that.  Now when It comes to social norms I will simply not be in compliance unless those norms are also in line with Jehovah’s Organization.  
     How this bares upon the mask topic.  People are making mask wearing into a political signal . Yet mask wearing is also scientifically valid as a general approach to slow the spread of disease. It has not been all that effective with COVID but seems to have seriously prevented influenza on top of COVID. 👍👍.  So how do I process this?                  Some Politard tries to make it into some support for one side of the political spectrum.( a false assertion) Will that persons opinion weigh at all in My decision to follow the Organizations direction? Not at all. 
       What if the Politard is espousing something that coincidence places in line with The Org? It doesn’t matter. 
       What if the Politard wants to deputize me to enforce their temporarily assigned authority. Not gonna happen. 
  What might happen, out of love I may offer others a mask. Just once . Then drop it. Just to be loving  and polite. But not because of the false power of social pressures. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by BenJepthah

[Hope]

What is a Politard?

[daydream]

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Politard

A politard is someone who is politically polarized to the point that they cannot have an intelligent discussion with anyone that they perceive to be "on the other side" of their political spectrum, the politard will automatically disagree with their perceived "enemies" and often without any actual knowledge of the subject being discussed. Politards differ from trolls in that politards actually believe what they say.

 

 

[daydream]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-immunity-may-only-last-a-few-months-study-suggests-12027655  13 July

Coronavirus immunity may only last a few months, study suggests
Experts say the study should be a warning to those assuming they are immune because they've already had it.

Researchers at King's College London looked into the immune response of 90 patients and healthcare workers at Guy's and St Thomas' NHS Trust and found antibodies peaked three weeks after the onset of coronavirus symptoms and then declined

[hatcheckgirl]

I do look at how various countries have handled this pandemic, not just one country, and have seen there is merit to doing the obvious things we've all done these past few months.  That is, social distancing, the lockdowns, hand washing, working from home etc. Basic quarantining works, and it is all we can do for now.  I think if you look at how aggressively China has managed this pandemic, then we can see what really did work - because they have experienced pandemics before with SARS they knew what to do (once the initial denying stopped).

 

So what did they do? Isolation of cases and lockdown of communities to stop the spread. Minimal outings with masks on, just for quick shop, doctors, exercise and caring. They managed to contain it, which is a huge feat for their population. Countries that followed this same pattern have fared better than others.

 

However the US  also was in denial for the first months, and because of that has badly managed the increasing cases.

 

The US is truly the feet of iron and clay, so obsessed with its own internal politicking than men are not open to any agreement, even in this most basic thing as fighting a pandemic. Whereas China coerced and bullied its population into adherence, but with success. The world is still not out of this pandemic yet, but it’s pretty clear what has worked so far and what hasn’t.

[Ludwika]

???  Insinuations aside, this topic is open to the public and it only seems logical that there would be some that are unconvinced and overconfident. Even among our members there may be some that are over confident.

The GB also warned against over confidence.

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[Bob]

Outbreak linked to BLM protests in AU:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6171679453001
 

But the BLM protests has nothing to do with the outbreaks, as were are told here in the US by many in the media and some of our own health professionals, but Australia had no choice but to acknowledge it. 

[Bob]

4 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

I do look at how various countries have handled this pandemic, not just one country, and have seen there is merit to doing the obvious things we've all done these past few months.  That is, social distancing, the lockdowns, hand washing, working from home etc. Basic quarantining works, and it is all we can do for now.  I think if you look at how aggressively China has managed this pandemic, then we can see what really did work - because they have experienced pandemics before with SARS they knew what to do (once the initial denying stopped).

 

So what did they do? Isolation of cases and lockdown of communities to stop the spread. Minimal outings with masks on, just for quick shop, doctors, exercise and caring. They managed to contain it, which is a huge feat for their population. Countries that followed this same pattern have fared better than others.

 

However the US  also was in denial for the first months, and because of that has badly managed the increasing cases.

 

The US is truly the feet of iron and clay, so obsessed with its own internal politicking than men are not open to any agreement, even in this most basic thing as fighting a pandemic. Whereas China coerced and bullied its population into adherence, but with success. The world is still not out of this pandemic yet, but it’s pretty clear what has worked so far and what hasn’t.

Sorry, I don’t trust China. No one should. They initially tried to hide the virus by expelling American Journalists and even blamed American troops for allegedly bringing it to them, punishing health professionals for talking about it. Their numbers are simply untrustworthy. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/09/china-should-be-legally-liable-pandemic-damage-it-has-done/?outputType=amp

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51364382

 

Not to mentioned their sordid history of state controlled media and censorship. 
 

China hides whatever makes them look bad in their own eyes. Don’t trust them. 
 

Far from management, they try to hide it.

Edited July 15, 2020 by Bob

[BenJepthah]

7 hours ago, Mclove said:

 

Nice! I thought I just made that one up!

[BenJepthah]

2 hours ago, Bob said:

Outbreak linked to BLM protests in AU:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6171679453001
 

But the BLM protests has nothing to do with the outbreaks, as were are told here in the US by many in the media and some of our own health professionals, but Australia had no choice but to acknowledge it. 

Perhaps a demonstration of how the media is playing towards its own bias.

[Friends just call me Ross]

 

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http://a.msn.com/05/en-us/BB16Jq97?ocid=se

 

The CDC Just Issued This Big News About Face Masks

 

In case you are still unsure about whether masking up can actually prevent the spread of COVID-19, a new report courtesy of the United States Centers for Disease Control offers some compelling evidence.

 

Very interesting.

 

[Lewis]

First COVID-19 vaccine tested in US poised for final testing. https://apnews.com/e4d5259bfc6c74fcb090d885737c55a6

 

On July 27th the vaccine will be tested on 30,000 people to see if this truly is effective against the coronavirus. The vaccine requires two doses a month apart. They wont know the results until the end of the year.

[Bob]

13 minutes ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

 

Very interesting.

 

Hmm..

Edited July 15, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

I guess I can find any "expert" who says otherwise and produces evidence:

 

https://www.livescience.com/are-face-masks-effective-reducing-coronavirus-spread.html

 

Bottom line. Use common sense. Be safe. Wear a mask when you need to. Maintain distance. Apparently, the CDC is desperate to get this under control, so they came out yesterday and (1) blamed northern travelers for spreading the disease down south, and (2) claimed masks can get this under control by September. Obviously, there is some desperation to get this down so in-person school can resume in the fall. That's understandable.