The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[dove]

On 8/15/2020 at 2:15 PM, Bob said:

Totally agree on that speculation. The organization is ran from Bethel. I cannot imagine them ending the lockdown anytime soon. 

 

On 8/14/2020 at 9:56 PM, Shawnster said:

That's why the lockdowns have never been on the Federal level.  That's the whole point of why the US government is structured as it is.  Individual states probably should have went complete lockdown early but they didn't.  

 

For all this talk about lockdowns not working, Bethel supports the idea that it does.  Bethel is on complete lock down and, to date, has zero cases.  Apparently complete lock down has worked in this case.

There are many elderly at Bethel. What do they do in the case of a brother or sister needing surgery, such as for cataracts. Are they allowed out to get this done? There is much contact in testing and performing these procedures. I know they have doctors and nurses at Bethel but I'm not sure about this kind of specialized surgery. And they would need someone to go with them, involving more persons..

[Bob]

9 minutes ago, bohemian said:

@runner92

Gabby.  keep following the faithful slave and you’ll be finer.

I am locked down in my home and grateful that I am safe.  Yes, it is tiring, but remember the video recently of the tour at world headquarters - the korean brothers in prison had such a tiny cell to be in!  At least my home is larger than that!
 

Brother Morris said not to develop a casual attitude to this pandemic.  Our lives my depend on our obedience at this time even if it just training us to be obedient in the near future when the instructions may even appear to make no sense at all.

 

 

I just have to ask this, because the word “obedient” has been used countless times as regard the GB’s letter about this. 
 

I’m genuinely curious. You don’t have to answer if you don't want to. 

 

Are those of us who do non-essential activities outside the home, being “disobedient” to the Slave?

 

If yes, how? 

[runner92]

17 minutes ago, bohemian said:

@runner92

Gabby.  keep following the faithful slave and you’ll be finer.

I am locked down in my home and grateful that I am safe.  Yes, it is tiring, but remember the video recently of the tour at world headquarters - the korean brothers in prison had such a tiny cell to be in!  At least my home is larger than that!
 

Brother Morris said not to develop a casual attitude to this pandemic.  Our lives my depend on our obedience at this time even if it just training us to be obedient in the near future when the instructions may even appear to make no sense at all.

 

 

That sounds nice. I just want to know when this is going to end. What is really being done? Hearing things like "its still going to be here in 2021" is not encouraging at all. 

[runner92]

On 8/14/2020 at 9:56 PM, Shawnster said:

That's why the lockdowns have never been on the Federal level.  That's the whole point of why the US government is structured as it is.  Individual states probably should have went complete lockdown early but they didn't.  

 

For all this talk about lockdowns not working, Bethel supports the idea that it does.  Bethel is on complete lock down and, to date, has zero cases.  Apparently complete lock down has worked in this case.

The minute they open, though, they will get a case. Are they going to be on lockdown forever? Are we expected to be locked up like this forever? 

 

Vaccines are not foolproof. Talking about a vaccine is pointless. This is why I want to know what the treatments are so that this thing isn't as lethal to people, because that's the only way anything is going to work. 

[Hotteok]

In Korea recently, the second biggest religion (this time church) related increase has occurred..

specifically due to a church leader who keeps telling his people Covid is a lie of the government..causing lots of people to gather without masks.

yesterday, the number went up to 279 from 30-50 in average, a steady rate we’ve been able to maintain thanks to wearing masks wherever you go

but starting from the capital city, it’s re-spreading all over the country... 

 

So two biggest spikes all occurred because of religion...I think Koreans will be willing to cooperate when the time comes to attack religion.

 

15 minutes ago, runner92 said:

The minute they open, though, they will get a case. Are they going to be on lockdown forever? Are we expected to be locked up like this forever? 

 

Vaccines are not foolproof. Talking about a vaccine is pointless. This is why I want to know what the treatments are so that this thing isn't as lethal to people, because that's the only way anything is going to work. 

I think them trying to find vaccine is desperate attempts to do something about it.. no one knows if it’ll work.

Maybe the real solution is just to wait until it dies naturally? Correct me if I’m wrong. 

Edited August 17, 2020 by Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual

[Hugh O'D]

3 minutes ago, Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual said:

So two biggest spikes all occurred because of religion...I think Koreans will be willing to cooperate when the time comes to attack religion.

I laughed, but so you know, it was a bitter laugh.

[runner92]

2 minutes ago, Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual said:

In Korea recently, the second biggest religion (this time church) related increase has occurred..

specifically due to a church leader who keeps telling his people Covid is a lie of the government..causing lots of people to gather without masks.

yesterday, the number went up to 297 from 30-50 in average, a steady rate we’ve been able to maintain thanks to wearing masks wherever you go

but starting from the capital city, it’s re-spreading all over the country... 

 

So two biggest spikes all occurred because of religion...I think Koreans will be willing to cooperate when the time comes to attack religion.

 

I think them trying to find vaccine is desperate attempts to do something about it.. no one knows if it’ll work.

Maybe the real solution is just to wait until it dies naturally? Correct me if I’m wrong. 

Based on how easily it spreads, I don't see that happening. There are hundreds of coronaviruses that we live with everyday. This looks like its going to become another one. None of those other coronaviruses have a vaccine. That's why we still have the common cold. However, there are treatments.

[Friends just call me Ross]

At times like these, I find it very comforting to glance up at the wall above my computer, at the little poster

I put there.  It says:

 

"...Your strength will be in keeping calm and showing trust."
                                                             - Isaiah 30:15

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Edited August 17, 2020 by Friends just call me Ross

[Hotteok]

1 minute ago, runner92 said:

Based on how easily it spreads, I don't see that happening. There are hundreds of coronaviruses that we live with everyday. This looks like its going to become another one. None of those other coronaviruses have a vaccine. That's why we still have the common cold. However, there are treatments.

yes but as far as I know, none of the those corona viruses are as lethal and infectious as this covid 19? 

that’s why it’s more dangerous right? 

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

I know, but I'm trying to listen. I don't want to get sick. I don't want my family to get sick. Which is why I'm wondering what they are even doing about treatment for the virus instead of banking on a vaccine. 

We're all trying to listen and we all are doing the best we can.  How each of us understands and applies the direction from the Branch is up to each family head.  Those at Bethel or in special full-time service are on complete lock down and are not doing anything at all.  Period.  Those are the specific directions from the Branch as relates to ones in special full time service.  Perhaps that is your situation and if so, I understand your pain.  All you can do in this case is rely upon Jehovah and limit yourself to electronic association.

 

For those of us, however, that are not in special full time service, we have a little more freedom to operate under our own discretion.  We must do the best we can to keep safe, but we are allowed a little more latitude as long as we remain loyal to the spirit of the direction.  

 

So, in my wife and my case we have done a little....   We have twice now had a picnic at a park.  There were no other people within 100 feet of us in any direction.  This allowed us to get out of the house while maintaining social distancing.  In Ohio all public parks are still open as long as you maintain social distancing.  We have walking trails, hiking trails, etc...  A few families in my congregation are even taking bicycle trips where they will ride down public trails.  They get out of the house, enjoy the fresh air, and maintain social distancing.  

 

I also go to work and I do most of the shopping.  We get a lot of our supplies delivered but some things, like milk, still need picked up in person.  We always wear masks when we are out and, by having most of our supplies delivered, the amount of time I spend in a store is minimal.

 

We have ordered pick-up or take-out food from restaurants.  We pick it up and bring it back to our home to eat.  We still are having the occasional restaurant food but we are not exposing ourselves to crowds.

 

In October my wife and I are getting away to a cabin where we went on our honeymoon 17 years ago.  Completely contactless. We booked online.   We will drive straight to the cabin.  We can even isolate their all week and not see a single person.  Change of scene and a hot tub!  We are excited.  In fact, this idea is completely in harmony with the directions from the Branch even for those in special full-time service.  Complete isolation.  Do you have any cabins in your area?  What about an Air BnB?  All these places can offer complete contactless check-in.  All you would need is to bring your own food and be able to drive to the location.

 

We've discussed going tot he drive-in but haven't had opportunity.  The drive-in is the best way to get out, go to the movies, yet maintain social distancing.  Our drive-in even allows (for a slight extra fee) people to bring in their own food.  We can go see two movies, eat our own popcorn and snacks and drinks, and the only contact we would have with someone is the ticket taker.  We might yet take advantage of this.   Do you have a drive-in nearby?  This could also be an option for you.

 

Even if all you have is your back yard, can you make the best of it?  Can you spread a blanket and have a picnic?  Can you sit outside and listen to music?   Heck, even just going for a drive is something.  You stay in your car the whole time and still have a change of scene.

 

If you are not required to simply stay in your house, are their options you can take advantage of that your conscience will allow and yet stay within the spirit of the Branch directions?  

[BenJepthah]

53 minutes ago, Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual said:

solution is just to wait until it dies naturally? Correct me if I’m wrong. 

This simply will never happen. Human immunity is already occurring and actually has preceded this particular Coronavirus for about half the population.  That’s what so many have very few and brief symptoms most likely.   
       What I suspect is going to happen: The governments as a whole ( led by the real rulers / not the visible elected ones ) have already decided to hype this virus and milk it for all its worth . Even when the actual death toll by percentage has fallen to less than a half of one percent of the total number of known infected it will not matter: why? Saving life isn’t their goal. Population reduction would be more in line with what those in control actually desire( think China).  What is the goal?

       Convince the population of the whole world to eagerly accept ONE GREAT PLAN ( a solution for all mankinds woes) No more Pandemics, no more War, Peace and Security , equality for all!  And after this intolerable incarceration the people will burn their own Churches and Temples ( many of whom already suspect this is coming ) to the ground if they must to get even a sliver of freedom once again.  Especially those who have been counting on “ The Rapture” to get them out before this happens. 
     Remember , this virus is NOTHING compare to the Spanish Flu . Not even close. And yet for more than 150 days the whole world has been economically ,socialogically, and psychologically crippled . The population globally has been being re-educated to depend upon ONLY the Nimrod system under Satan. 
    Meanwhile who are we being trained to depend upon more than ever? 

[JennyM]

The Philippines' president said  in one of his meeting with his cabinet and this was spread all over jw's that covid19 will soon end until  God's kingdom come. (He strongly opposed the catholica religion which is no.1 in our country)  He  received witness from his jw relatives.  It's kind prophetic but as you  have said and other experts said that covid 19 will stay here longer even with vaccines.  

 

In the our media, it says that it has already evolved into more infectious. So yea, at this point in time, its a training for us to trust in Jehovah. 

[JennyM]

6 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

  
       What I suspect is going to happen: The governments as a whole ( led by the real rulers / not the visible elected ones ) have already decided to hype this virus and milk it for all its worth . Even when the actual death toll by percentage has fallen to less than a half of one percent of the total number of known infected it will not matter: why? Saving life isn’t their goal. Population reduction would be more in line with what those in control actually desire( think China).  What is the goal?

       Convince the population of the whole world to eagerly accept ONE GREAT PLAN ( a solution for all mankinds woes) No more Pandemics, no more War, Peace and Security , equality for all!  And after this intolerable incarceration the people will burn their own Churches and Temples ( many of whom already suspect this is coming ) to the ground if they must to get even a sliver of freedom once again.  Especially those who have been counting on “ The Rapture” to get them out before this happens. 
 

Thats what me and the sister are talking about. Saving life is not their goal...  But Jehovah will be the one to put into their hearts to destroy religions. 

[BenJepthah]

1 minute ago, JennyM said:

.  But Jehovah will be the one to put into their hearts to destroy religions. 

And that is what is happening right now every time some Preacher demands that their mega church be able to meet. And then an outbreak occurs.    And every time these world rulers look at how their economies are being decimated while these churches all set on Trillions of dollars in real estate ( Tax Exempt). 

[Hope]

1 hour ago, Dove said:

 

There are many elderly at Bethel. What do they do in the case of a brother or sister needing surgery, such as for cataracts. Are they allowed out to get this done? There is much contact in testing and performing these procedures. I know they have doctors and nurses at Bethel but I'm not sure about this kind of specialized surgery. And they would need someone to go with them, involving more persons..

At Bethel, if anyone needs to leave campus for doctor's visits, emergencies, etc., they are isolated back in their rooms for 10-14 days - no exceptions. They are allowed to go for walks on the grounds- distanced, of course and that's it.

 

Bethel is not playing around with this.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, BenJepthah said:

What I suspect is going to happen: The governments as a whole ( led by the real rulers / not the visible elected ones ) have already decided to hype this virus and milk it for all its worth . Even when the actual death toll by percentage has fallen to less than a half of one percent of the total number of known infected it will not matter: why? Saving life isn’t their goal. Population reduction would be more in line with what those in control actually desire( think China).  What is the goal?

Im sorry, I find this to be a very cynical outlook or conclusion that simply does not match the world I live in. 

[bohemian]

@Bob  @runner92

 

I go back to Brother Morris’ Covid update #4 video and the principles he outlined in that talk.  He did mention obedience several times.

Of course it is up to each family head to decide for their own family how they will proceed.  There are certain activities which are essential and carry some risk, but when it comes to non-essential activities no-one knows what possible health risk may crop up (either our own health or that of others)

In the UK more restrictions are being lifted - I am now allowed by the government to go out but avoid face-to-face contact with anyone. Many here do not wear masks. Covid-19 cases are increasing in my local area too!  My decision?  I am staying put. 

My main takeaway from Brother Morris:  Do not develop a casual attitude.

 

 This virus is a killer!  Stay safe everyone.

[Bob]

1 minute ago, bohemian said:

@Bob  @runner92

 

I go back to Brother Morris’ Covid update #4 video and the principles he outlined in that talk.  He did mention obedience several times.

Of course it is up to each family head to decide for their own family how they will proceed.  There are certain activities which are essential and carry some risk, but when it comes to non-essential activities no-one knows what possible health risk may crop up (either our own health or that of others)

In the UK more restrictions are being lifted - I am now allowed by the government to go out but avoid face-to-face contact with anyone. Many here do not wear masks. Covid-19 cases are increasing in my local area too!  My decision?  I am staying put. 

My main takeaway from Brother Morris:  Do not develop a casual attitude.

 

 This virus is a killer!  Stay safe everyone.

Thank you for your honest answer, and explanation! I do appreciate it. 

[BenJepthah]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/8/14/21367889/mccormick-place-coronavirus-hospital-cost-walsh-construction-mcpier-lori-lightfoot-army-corps
       The above article presents one of the many examples of how this pandemic has resulted in bankrupting local and national economies.  The price tag per patient has been enormous and eventually you and I will be expected to pay for it one way or another. 

[WilliamChew]

A bit of good news here. European strain more infectious but less deadly.

 

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/infectious-covid-19-mutation-may-be-good-thing-paul-tambyah-13030116

 

A mutation of the novel coronavirus increasingly common throughout Europe and recently detected in Malaysia may be more infectious but appears less deadly, according to infectious diseases expert Paul Tambyah.

 

Dr Tambyah, a senior consultant at the National University of Singapore and president-elect of the US-based International Society of Infectious Diseases, said the D614G mutation has also been found in Singapore.

 

There is evidence the proliferation of the mutation in Europe has coincided with a drop in death rates, suggesting it is less lethal, Dr Tambyah said.

 

The mutation is not likely to impact the efficacy of a potential vaccine, despite warnings to the contrary from other health experts, he added.

"Maybe that's a good thing to have a virus that is more infectious but less deadly," Dr Tambyah told Reuters.

[Hotteok]

Maybe the Covid 19 will just die off like this? until it disappears completely 

[Hotteok]

Starting from tomorrow (19th), Korean government will forbid all off-line church meetings, (this of course includes buffets, pc cafe, clubs and the like....)

in areas of and near the capital city. 

Sounds like water drying up? 

Edited August 18, 2020 by Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual

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Edited August 18, 2020 by Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, Tryin'SoHardToBeSpiritual said:

Maybe the Covid 19 will just die off like this? until it disappears completely 

To my knowledge no disease has ever completely disappeared. 

[Hotteok]

8 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

To my knowledge no disease has ever completely disappeared. 

yes

I mean die off in a way.. if it gets small or weak so it’s not a pandemic anymore.

to that degree