The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Lee49]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/07/united-states-coronavirus-cases-nine-states-records/5906943002/

 

COVID-19 cases rising in 39 states – 9 months into the pandemic: 'We are overwhelmed'

 

 U.S. coronavirus cases surpassed 7.5 million on Wednesday with most states seeing a rise in cases – nine months into the pandemic – and a startling nine states setting ominous, seven-day records for infections.

A USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins data through late Tuesday shows Alaska, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Utah and Wyoming all set state records in the seven-day period. In all, 39 states reported more coronavirus cases in the last week than they had in the week before.

 

Interesting point made here:

 Lucy McBride, an internal medicine physician at Foxhall Internists in Washington, D.C., said that more than nine months after the virus was discovered in China, no treatments are available for patients suffering mild to moderate illness from the virus.

"We only have treatments for our sickest, hospitalized patients," she told USA TODAY. "Currently there is no proven (treatments) for the majority of patients with COVID 19.

 

 

 

 

[BenJepthah]

55 minutes ago, Lee49 said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/07/united-states-coronavirus-cases-nine-states-records/5906943002/

 

COVID-19 cases rising in 39 states – 9 months into the pandemic: 'We are overwhelmed'

 

 U.S. coronavirus cases surpassed 7.5 million on Wednesday with most states seeing a rise in cases – nine months into the pandemic – and a startling nine states setting ominous, seven-day records for infections.

A USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins data through late Tuesday shows Alaska, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Utah and Wyoming all set state records in the seven-day period. In all, 39 states reported more coronavirus cases in the last week than they had in the week before.

 

Interesting point made here:

 Lucy McBride, an internal medicine physician at Foxhall Internists in Washington, D.C., said that more than nine months after the virus was discovered in China, no treatments are available for patients suffering mild to moderate illness from the virus.

"We only have treatments for our sickest, hospitalized patients," she told USA TODAY. "Currently there is no proven (treatments) for the majority of patients with COVID 19.

 

 

 

 

I beg to differ. The qualifier in this is the word “ proven”.  And the word “Majority”.  Why? Because the “ majority” of patients with C-19 don’t need treatment. The symptoms are mild for the Majority.  These types of symptoms can be treated with OTC medications.  So, treatments exist for these mild symptoms: Tylenol for fever and headache . Budisemide in a nasal spray for nasal congestion ( available OTC).  Moderate to severe symptoms occur in some patients obviously. These are treated with the addition of an anticoagulant, and the antiviral Rendensivir. Budisemide as a MDI and Dexamethasone as an injected steroid . The ICAM refining being used in Florida can be partially replicated at home for mild to moderate cases. This is “ Inproven “ by multiple double blind studies but anecdotal evidence is projecting its success even in severe cases. 

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Lee49 said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/10/07/united-states-coronavirus-cases-nine-states-records/5906943002/

 

COVID-19 cases rising in 39 states – 9 months into the pandemic: 'We are overwhelmed'

 

 U.S. coronavirus cases surpassed 7.5 million on Wednesday with most states seeing a rise in cases – nine months into the pandemic – and a startling nine states setting ominous, seven-day records for infections.

A USA TODAY analysis of Johns Hopkins data through late Tuesday shows Alaska, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Montana, North Dakota, Utah and Wyoming all set state records in the seven-day period. In all, 39 states reported more coronavirus cases in the last week than they had in the week before.

 

Interesting point made here:

 Lucy McBride, an internal medicine physician at Foxhall Internists in Washington, D.C., said that more than nine months after the virus was discovered in China, no treatments are available for patients suffering mild to moderate illness from the virus.

"We only have treatments for our sickest, hospitalized patients," she told USA TODAY. "Currently there is no proven (treatments) for the majority of patients with COVID 19.

 

This article is telling. First the goal was to lower hospitalizations and 'flatten the curve", now they're trying to 'crush' the virus, which leads to unfortunate measures like this:

 

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In Kentucky, Gov. Andy Beshear extended the statewide mask mandate for another 30 days and said the state would be "stepping up the enforcement."

Nowhere do you see Governors attempting to teach people to live with and manage the virus. All we are reading are governors coming down with the force of law on people because they are trying to STOP transmission and end the pandemic themselves using the force of law and endless rules.

 

This is why governors are getting frustrated. They have unrealistic expectations. 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

Tighten restrictions: Cases decline

Ease restrictions: Cases increase

Tighten restrictions again: Cases decline

Ease restrictions again: Cases increase

 

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

Instead of the infinite flip-flopping and rule making, its probably worth looking for a happy medium somewhere. 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Bob

[blacc]

What happy medium are you proposing?

[Bob]

41 minutes ago, blacc said:

What happy medium are you proposing?

Thanks for asking.

 

That's determined based on each state as each state is different (which is why its really not possible to have a "national standard"  from the Federal Government)

 

But at any rate, I would lay out specifically to my constituency:

 

X Number of acceptable daily cases per population

X Acceptable percentage of hospitalizations

X Acceptable percent positivity rate  

X Percent of business capacity (and that varies based on industry)

 

And I would have a very simple mask rule. The businesses must require mask. Private citizens wouldn't be mandated to wear them. Local counties would be free to do what's best based on their demographics.

 

You may be thinking. States already have these in places. Yes, in general. But I would frequently, perhaps weekly, PUBLICY via a press conference tell people where we stand on each category in detail. I wouldn't just post these numbers on a website and trust that people would read it.  

 

I would emphasize managing and living with it. I would always encourage safe practices. Imposing fines and penalties and countless behavioral rules and regulations are not my style and I think only encourage disobedience and court challenges. 

 

That's a baseline. What happens from there is determined based on how things go. I believe you should assume the best of people and communicate that until/unless they give you a reason not to trust them.

 

Protect the high risk population. Allow others go about their lives somewhat normally and keep encouraging safe behavior. 

 

Lockdowns are harmful. I wouldn't do full scale lockdowns. 

 

That's just me.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Bob

[BenJepthah]

25 minutes ago, blacc said:

What happy medium are you proposing?

Africa seems to have found it.  So has appearantly Sweden.  The term “ happy medium “ is a little deceptive . There is no situation which prevents all loss of life. That’s unhappy. But inevitable.  Probably the best case scenario would be pretty close to what we have right now in the majority of States. Fully reopen what businesses that can be reopened. ( that is almost the case now). Request that the citizens who are most vulnerable stay at home, with essential services provided by the government ( this isn’t a stretch since most of these persons are already retired or disabled). Let everyone else return to life as usual.  Encourage ,but do not enforce the use of masks as nothing less than an N95 will work with airborne illness anyway. Continue to sequester healthcare and nursing homes and prisons as present.   
     It’s not really a big change but it will allow some economic movement. This is especially needed as small businesses and Mom and Pop businesses have taken a horrible beating. Only very large businesses have weathered this at all , with exception of the trades and custodial , widening the economic divide. This is what may be termed an unhappy medium. 

[Bob]

8 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

Africa seems to have found it.  So has appearantly Sweden.  The term “ happy medium “ is a little deceptive . There is no situation which prevents all loss of life. That’s unhappy. But inevitable.  Probably the best case scenario would be pretty close to what we have right now in the majority of States. Fully reopen what businesses that can be reopened. ( that is almost the case now). Request that the citizens who are most vulnerable stay at home, with essential services provided by the government ( this isn’t a stretch since most of these persons are already retired or disabled). Let everyone else return to life as usual.  Encourage ,but do not enforce the use of masks as nothing less than an N95 will work with airborne illness anyway. Continue to sequester healthcare and nursing homes and prisons as present.   
     It’s not really a big change but it will allow some economic movement. This is especially needed as small businesses and Mom and Pop businesses have taken a horrible beating. Only very large businesses have weathered this at all , with exception of the trades and custodial , widening the economic divide. This is what may be termed an unhappy medium. 

Yeah good point about happy medium (I didn't mean people should be "happy" but I get your point).

 

I get that some governors are attempting to eliminate all risks (crushing the curve) which leads to all the mandates and enforcements, which directly results in "protests" and court challenges. 

Edited October 7, 2020 by Bob

[Tbs77]

A God's voice and not a man's?...are maggots imminent?

Trump returns to Oval Office, says it's a "blessing from God" that he got COVID-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-still-recovering-from-covid-19-returns-to-oval-office/

[Bob]

17 minutes ago, Tbs77 said:

A God's voice and not a man's?...are maggots imminent?

Trump returns to Oval Office, says it's a "blessing from God" that he got COVID-19

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-still-recovering-from-covid-19-returns-to-oval-office/

Politics is a heartless and cruel game.

[hatcheckgirl]

It seems like some think there is a way to exist in this system going forward - if governors did this, if public authorities did that. Maybe this is creeping into non-neutral territory?
 

Be obedient to the governmental authorities, the Bible says. And rest your hope not on man-made solutions. Nothing the world does will solve this, stay away from ones (media and non- media) who say otherwise.

[Hope]

On 10/2/2020 at 5:01 PM, Bob said:

Dismissive, sure. But he never said it was a "hoax". Being dismissive means you acknowledge its existence. Saying its a "hoax" means you don't believe it exists. 

It's like President Trump doesn't know what "hoax" means. It's a noun, not an adjective. You can't coherently describe what someone is doing with a noun.

 

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One of my people came up to me and said, “Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.” That didn’t work out too well. They couldn’t do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.

 

He says Russia hoax, impeachment hoax... "this is their new hoax".  If "their" refers to the democrats, what's the "new hoax"? Is it covid or is it his attitude it? I now believe my learning to diagram sentences in school has come in handy! 😃😒

 

The fact that Trump can barely put a sentence together and his habit of never quite committing to anything confirmable in his speech is a huge factor in his being either misinterpreted or able to say he didn't really mean what he actually said.

 

A hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth.  Dismissing or disregarding something (for whatever reason) is pretty much equal to believing that something is a hoax. 

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, Hope said:

It's like President Trump doesn't know what "hoax" means. It's a noun, not an adjective. You can't coherently describe what someone is doing with a noun.

 

 

He says Russia hoax, impeachment hoax... "this is their new hoax".  If "their" refers to the democrats, what's the "new hoax"? Is it covid or is it his attitude it? I now believe my learning to diagram sentences in school has come in handy! 😃😒

 

The fact that Trump can barely put a sentence together and his habit of never quite committing to anything confirmable in his speech is a huge factor in his being either misinterpreted or able to say he didn't really mean what he actually said.

 

A hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth.  Dismissing or disregarding something (for whatever reason) is pretty much equal to believing that something is a hoax. 

Oh yeah he's a sloppy speaker, but yeah he was talking about his political opponents framing of the administration's response.

[Friends just call me Ross]

Let's keep it in neutral.  

 

[BLEmom]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Thanks for asking.

 

That's determined based on each state as each state is different (which is why its really not possible to have a "national standard"  from the Federal Government)

 

But at any rate, I would lay out specifically to my constituency:

 

X Number of acceptable daily cases per population

X Acceptable percentage of hospitalizations

X Acceptable percent positivity rate  

X Percent of business capacity (and that varies based on industry)

 

And I would have a very simple mask rule. The businesses must require mask. Private citizens wouldn't be mandated to wear them. Local counties would be free to do what's best based on their demographics.

 

You may be thinking. States already have these in places. Yes, in general. But I would frequently, perhaps weekly, PUBLICY via a press conference tell people where we stand on each category in detail. I wouldn't just post these numbers on a website and trust that people would read it.  

 

I would emphasize managing and living with it. I would always encourage safe practices. Imposing fines and penalties and countless behavioral rules and regulations are not my style and I think only encourage disobedience and court challenges. 

 

That's a baseline. What happens from there is determined based on how things go. I believe you should assume the best of people and communicate that until/unless they give you a reason not to trust them.

 

Protect the high risk population. Allow others go about their lives somewhat normally and keep encouraging safe behavior. 

 

Lockdowns are harmful. I wouldn't do full scale lockdowns. 

 

That's just me.

The problem with what authorities are doing and what you propose is the same. 
2 Timothy 3:1-5. 
it really doesn’t matter how scary or not scary the disease is.  It doesn’t matter what rules there are or how they are enforced or not enforced.  It doesn’t matter how much you educate or don’t educate.  
 

We are in a world of such selfishness that none of that matters. Because everyone thinks they are right. Everyone wants to do what they want to do. Logic and reason no longer matter.  
 

Man can propose all he wants. He can make all sorts of plans. 
 

Proverbs 19:21:  Many are the plans in a mans heart, But the counsel of Jehovah is what will prevail. 
 

 

[Bob]

3 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

The problem with what authorities are doing and what you propose is the same. 
2 Timothy 3:1-5. 
it really doesn’t matter how scary or not scary the disease is.  It doesn’t matter what rules there are or how they are enforced or not enforced.  It doesn’t matter how much you educate or don’t educate.  
 

We are in a world of such selfishness that none of that matters. Because everyone thinks they are right. Everyone wants to do what they want to do. Logic and reason no longer matter.  
 

Man can propose all he wants. He can make all sorts of plans. 
 

Proverbs 19:21:  Many are the plans in a mans heart, But the counsel of Jehovah is what will prevail. 
 

 

I value your opinion!

[Hope]

15 minutes ago, Bob said:

Oh yeah he's a sloppy speaker, but yeah he was talking about his political opponents framing of the administration's response.

So... they are "hoaxing" him?  🤪  It still doesn't make sense.  He could easily say, "my opponents claim that I believe covid 19 is a hoax. That is untrue, I understand that covid is a real and present danger."  Simple, eh?

 

If he can't be clear and understandable in his speech, it's not surprising people can frame that word salad any way they want. Especially since he is terrible at trying to... or even desiring to actually clear things up. He thrives in confusion.  If he is misquoted, it's generally his own fault. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Edited October 7, 2020 by Hope

[Bob]

5 minutes ago, Hope said:

So... they are "hoaxing" him?  🤪  It still doesn't make sense.  He could easily say, "my opponents claim that I believe covid 19 is a hoax. That is untrue, I understand that covid is a real and present danger."  Simple, eh?

 

If he can't be clear and understandable in his speech, it's not surprising people can frame that word salad any way they want. Especially since he is terrible at trying to... or even desiring to actually clear things up. He thrives in confusion.  If he is misquoted, it's generally his own fault. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Well, and I forgot what study I read, but it proved 90 percent of the media coverage he gets is overwhelming negative. I mean, they claim he never denounced white supremacy and there is a mashup of him directly condemning it like 16 times over 10 years or something like that.

 

But its the media. They make up stuff about us that has been proven untrue. They are master manipulators!

[BenJepthah]

58 minutes ago, Hope said:

That is untrue, I understand that covid is a real and present danger."  Simple, eh?

I find that that actions speak loader than words. And if not the very first , the POTUS was one of the earliest world leaders to ban travel from China and soon after Europe to the United States ( for which action he was criticized) following the counsel of his Epidemiologist.  That says precisely that he took it seriously.  
           And that is all I care to say on that subject . Not comfortable defending the POTUS even with the truth of his actions. This conversation has once again become something off of neutrality. 

[Friends just call me Ross]

Let's keep it in NEUTRAL!

That means:  Keep your fingers off the keyboard

when considering posting personal opinions about your political observations.

Thanks!  

 

 

 

[carlos]

I never in my life expected to find Christians on a JW forum criticizing or defending a politician. 

 

Neutrality is a basic requirement to be a Christian. Maybe we need to go back to the Bible Teach book and start feeding with some milk.

[BenJepthah]

6 minutes ago, carlos said:

I never in my life expected to find Christians on a JW forum criticizing or defending a politician. 

 

Neutrality is a basic requirement to be a Christian. Maybe we need to go back to the Bible Teach book and start feeding with some milk.

Oh ,I totally agree , that’s what I’m done!  I do t even like stating a true thing to do so! I’m done. In fact I’m now really really done! 

[Lance]

🙈... Resisting everything except temptation.. is going to be a bit of a wee challenge...for some.. 😎😇

[Tortuga]

28 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

Oh ,I totally agree , that’s what I’m done!  I do t even like stating a true thing to do so! I’m done. In fact I’m now really really done! 

You will enjoy your time here much more if you make a firm commitment to stay away from non-theocratic topics and participate in more theocratic topics.

[Ludwika]

For those among us who are tempted to make comments about political issues or politicians themselves, please go and do it anywhere except here on this forum. If you wish to violate your Christian neutrality, PLEASE NOTE, we do NOT wish to become "a sharer in the sins of others". We want to be like Elijah, who knew it was before Jehovah that he stood.