Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Sweet Tooth]

21 hours ago, cme said:

Jehovah can "suddenly, instantly" put this in motion. 

I just saw this picture and it deeply resonates with Jospeh of Egypt, Esther and Mordecai and the sudden Fall of Ancient Babylon. 

[jeje]

Could it be that Jehovah will put the "one thought" for world leaders at the time we are on the brink of ww3, maybe after Russia invades some additional countries ?
The "one thought" would be brought at a time world leaders would need to solve the ongoing conflicts to avoid ww3 and would think they are able to bring worldwice peace. As a result, they would declare the worldwide peace and security.
In that scenario, I am wondering how Russia would agree as it would pause their plan but maybe there will be a big deal at this moment. 

Another scenario is the "one thought" to bring global solution for climate change but it makes less sense for me as the effects are not visible everywhere at the same time and it's not linked to peace and security declaration, but maybe it can be an a combination of the two scenario.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, jeje said:

Could it be that... 

 

 

Yes.  In fact it could be anything we might think or suggest. Jehovah is not limited in any manner (yes, I know no one is suggesting otherwise). 

 

We are the ones limited. None of us have the complete picture yet we all want to suggest whatever possibility we might think of within our limited scope of imagination. Then we put blinders on and think it can only be whatever way we imagine. Then we start looking a news events in some vain attempt to predict, anticipate, foresee how Jehovah's hand will play out as if there just must be some advance warning sign that only we will see. 

 

Anything anyone suggests could be how it happens or it could be something none of us can ever imagine. 

[Cool.As.Ice]

So as Shawn points out:

 

We think A+B could (=) C.

 

However, it could actually be C+A=B for all we know. 
 

Still impossible not to keep thinking about it. Why do you think this thread has 363 pages? lol

[chuck83]

Are you sure? Or is this being flexible again?

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/
 

 

[Ysaias]

Threat of war and disease means Europeans need 3 days’ supplies, Commission to warn

“Europe cannot afford to remain reactive,” the European Commission will warn in strategy to be unveiled on Wednesday.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-crisis-stockpile-supplies-war-disease-natural-disaster-roxana-minzatu/

 

[Dhanyel]

A brother commented in the meeting that we need to learn from the ants for the difficult times ahead. Even though it may seem like things are getting better, the opposite will actually happen. We can learn a lot from the ants, even when it comes to storing food.

[jps]

50 minutes ago, Ysaias said:

Threat of war and disease means Europeans need 3 days’ supplies, Commission to warn

“Europe cannot afford to remain reactive,” the European Commission will warn in strategy to be unveiled on Wednesday.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-crisis-stockpile-supplies-war-disease-natural-disaster-roxana-minzatu/

 

so if bad stuff happens,

it will be fixed day 4..🤔

[ChrisC]

4 hours ago, jps said:

so if bad stuff happens,

it will be fixed day 4..🤔

 

Three-day Great Tribulation confirmed! 

🥳

[vern]

Days wages for a loaf of bread....

 

Here for the cheap means 250 dollars

[Dhanyel]

Normally, authorities recommend having food and water for three days to ensure sustenance while other types of humanitarian aid arrive, depending on the circumstances and situations.

 

 

[Dhanyel]

Russia may be ‘dragging feet’ on achieving peace in Ukraine, Trump says

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/03/26/world/russia-ukraine-peace-deal-trump-intl-hnk/index.html

[Desert Dan]

15 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

Normally, authorities recommend having food and water for three days to ensure sustenance while other types of humanitarian aid arrive, depending on the circumstances and situations.

 

 

 

That is the minimum from my search just now.   Back to the topic.

Edited yesterday at 01:30 AM by Desert Dan

[Dark King]

A good article to help understand the issues at hand. We have to be very close.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c204vl27n2qo

[Dhanyel]

 

I still come across friends who believe that the end of the system will take another 40 years. These comments drain my energy, although everything is possible because it depends on Jehovah. But since I feel exhausted, I try to focus on the Kingdom and continue doing exactly what needs to be done—preaching and gathering with the brothers.

 

[Cool.As.Ice]

Which is why we need to avoid being dogmatic. Jesus said that it doesn’t belong to us to know things that are in the Father’s sole jurisdiction.

[minister159]

Jesus also said:

 

"Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away." --- Matt. 24:34, 35

 

Truly: Greek, a·menʹ, a transliteration of the Hebrew ʼa·menʹ, meaning “so be it,” or “surely.” Jesus frequently uses this expression to preface a statement, a promise, or a prophecy, thereby emphasizing its absolute truthfulness and reliability.

 

40 years? Seriously?  
 

 

[Dustparticle]

40 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

Which is why we need to avoid being dogmatic. Jesus said that it doesn’t belong to us to know things that are in the Father’s sole jurisdiction.

 

True that we need to avoid being dogmatic even knowing the meaning of God's name. He has no beginning and we have forever to learn about him. Second to the last paragraph on Appendix A4

 

What is the meaning of the name Jehovah? In Hebrew, the name Jehovah comes from a verb that means “to become,” and a number of scholars feel that it reflects the causative form of that Hebrew verb. Thus, the understanding of the New World Bible Translation Committee is that God’s name means “He Causes to Become.” Scholars hold varying views, so we cannot be dogmatic about this meaning. However, this definition well fits Jehovah’s role as the Creator of all things and the Fulfiller of his purpose. He not only caused the physical universe and intelligent beings to exist, but as events unfold, he continues to cause his will and purpose to be realized.

Edited yesterday at 06:36 PM by Dustparticle

[Dhanyel]

Refresh my memory: Do those in the second group of anointed need to witness the great tribulation or not?  Or could a third group emerge? 

[Doug]

30 minutes ago, Dhanyel said:

Refresh my memory: Do those in the second group of anointed need to witness the great tribulation or not?  Or could a third group emerge? 

 

Jesus said "This generation".  He didn't say the generation would consist of groups. That's the explanation the GB has approved due to the reality that everyone baptized and anointed when the last days began in 1914 are long gone.

 

The second group is explained as being contemporaries of the first group by reason of a substantial overlap. It's like saying the second group is an extension of the first group and, in fact, the same generation.

 

With that reasoning, is there any reason why a third group, contemporaries of the second group, isn't possible? It would only happen if the members of the second group were nearly all dead, and the emergence of a third group would be explained in the same manner as was the second group.  Out of necessity.

 

But that second group still has a lot of life in them.  The chances of a third group extension could be explained but is highly unlikely.

[Cool.As.Ice]

That’s a prophecy I still to this day can’t wrap my head around. Even though I have watched Bro. Splane’s talk on the matter a number of times. 
 

Very difficult to understand.

[Sofia]

I ve been giving serious study on Daniel prophecy 

 

*** w20 May p. 12 par. 3 Who Is “the King of the North” Today? ***
3 After the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, God’s people in that vast region enjoyed “a little help”—a period of freedom. (Dan. 11:34) As a result, they were able to preach freely, and before long the number of publishers in the former Communist bloc rose to hundreds of thousands. Gradually, Russia and its allies emerged as the king of the north. As discussed in the preceding article, for a government to fill the role of the king of the north or the king of the south, it must do three things: (1) interact directly with God’s people, (2) show by its actions that it is an enemy of Jehovah and his people, and (3) compete with the rival king.
https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=2020401&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=9

 

according to this reasoning is it possible that this rivalry comes to an end if they stop competing with each other?

If they stop competition and the king of the south wins supremacy won’t it bring the KOTN to an end? Even if it’s still a nation or a coalition of ally nations 

RUSSIA CHINA IRAN NK will still exist as nations even in the United Nations and serving as Kings given power to UN.

 

But can KOTN actually cease to exist if the conflict ends before GT?

 

just wondering…

[just1-4all]

12 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

That’s a prophecy I still to this day can’t wrap my head around. Even though I have watched Bro. Splane’s talk on the matter a number of times. 
 

Very difficult to understand.

I feel ya my brother ... it's a bit mentally stretchy for me too.

 

But I trust the FDS/GB no matter because of the richness of their making Nehemiah 8:8 so in my heart and mind to the Nth degree. 🙂

[Doug]

20 minutes ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

That’s a prophecy I still to this day can’t wrap my head around. Even though I have watched Bro. Splane’s talk on the matter a number of times. 
 

Very difficult to understand.

 

It can't be understood.  It's written so perfectly that the essential information isn't revealed.

 

Jesus said "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things happen".

 

What does "by no means" mean?  We don't know. The FDS, Br. Sanderson specifically, said it doesn't have to mean a couple of old guys in wheelchairs.  Okay, maybe not.  But we still don't know what it does mean, what Jesus meant.

 

It may not be correctly understood until the GT has begun.

[Cushi]

2 hours ago, Cool.As.Ice said:

That’s a prophecy I still to this day can’t wrap my head around. Even though I have watched Bro. Splane’s talk on the matter a number of times. 
 

Very difficult to understand.

Here’s one way to grasp our current understanding. Look at it like a man and his children/grandchildren. The “generation” is made up of two groups of anointed ones. Those that saw 1914 and understood it’s significance and those that were contemporaries of the first group.

The ones that saw 1914 and understood it’s significance can be compared to a man or grandfather. His children, grandchildren and great grandchildren were all contemporaries with him before he died. They can be likened to those in the second group. But just like brother Splane said, there's a cut off point. Just like those anointed after 1992 likely were not contemporaries of the first group, the man’s great, great grandchildren likely were too young to recall their great great grandfather or weren't contemporaries with him or experienced the joys of life with him as a family.

 

Hope this helps 😊