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Yes, very good and helpful material. It is a fine pint our brothers make in saying that we cannot be sure of when this cry of 'peace and security' will take place, either before or after the start of GT. One thing though is for sure, it will happen!

I am not yet wise, but I am on the long road that gets me there - Prov 9:10

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7 hours ago, IndyPhil said:

The questions from readers is very interesting. 

 

So what is being explained to us now is the following, if I understand it correctly:

 

A declaration of peace and security can come either because of Revelation 17:13, or as a satanic lie. We do not know at this point what the cause of the declaration will be. That is the difference.

 

This leads us to understand 1 Thessalonians 5:2,3 as saying that Jehovah’s day begins before the declaration of “peace and security,” because Jehovah has put his thought into the hearts of the nations and Babylon the Great is destroyed. Then a sudden destruction comes upon the nations immediately after this declaration (which has been preceded by the nations giving their power to the UN, which has eliminated false religion).

 

The other scenario would be that Satan’s world itself brings about a declaration of “peace and security,” and after that Jehovah puts it into the hearts of the nations to give their power to the UN. Then the great tribulation begins, which will lead to sudden destruction for all parts of Satan’s system (starting with false religion, the nations, etc.).

 

Is that how you understand it as well?

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If the world’s political powers proclaim “peace and security” after false religion has been removed, then the destruction of all those nations would follow with striking suddenness.

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If the proclamation of “peace and security” is made after the destruction of false religion, then Jehovah’s people will know that the destruction of the nations is imminent

 

1) Does this imply that if the cry happens before the destruction of BtG, the destruction of the nations won't be imminent?

 

2) If the destruction of BtG starts the GT and the end comes right after the cry, doesn't that imply there would need to be a pause after BtG is destroyed and before the cry is made so that there would be a time period we could even call the GT? In other words, wouldn't the GT be extremely short if the cry happened right after BtG is destroyed and that brings the end immediately? It sounds like the GT could last for mere days. Is that possible?

 

3) I think it makes the most sense (of course I can be wrong) that the cry would be a series of announcements. That way they could cry peace when they destroy BtG, and the announcement would actually make sense to them, and then they could continue to make the cry until the timing is right for Armageddon. That gives breathing room for the GT to last anywhere from days to years and the Nations would still be destroyed immediately after the last cry, without rushing the timeline.

 

I'm mentally preparing for the GT to be years, but I'll hope for days.

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6 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

y? It sounds like the GT could last for mere days. Is that possible?

It has always sounded to me the could last weeks 

not very long

Eph. 3:20 “Now to the one who can, according to his power that is operating in us, do more than superabundantly beyond all the things we ask or conceive”

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8 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

In other words, wouldn't the GT be extremely short if the cry happened right after BtG is destroyed and that brings the end immediately? It sounds like the GT could last for mere days. Is that possible?

We'll need more than a few days to preach the hailstorm message.

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7 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

Our current understanding is that the hailstone message may or may not be us preaching, but i agree we would need some time for that.

The slave just opens up that we do not know, but personally i do not get why paul gives the passage to explain for us during the last days(1 thess 5:2,3 did not have a first fullfilment) to look for Peace and security to when Jehovas day will come if that is the third thing happening in Jehovas day and more adress a specific part of it  (1: give authority to UN, 2: remove babylon : the great 3: peace and security 4: sudden destruction upon the UN,nations etc).

If ”peace and security” will come after BTG has been destroyed. well.. then it is the a marker for harmageddon (the phase when all other things will be destroyed).

 

but, i guess i miss something, and at the end it is good that the slave opens for diffrent angels on the subject.


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3 hours ago, Andress said:

f ”peace and security” will come after BTG has been destroyed. well.. then it is the a marker for harmageddon

Yep 

Eph. 3:20 “Now to the one who can, according to his power that is operating in us, do more than superabundantly beyond all the things we ask or conceive”

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The anointed receive their final sealing at approximately the same time around the world

Nations empower UN 

UN destroys BTG

Peace and security 

Nations realize Jehovah’s people still worshiping and decide to shut them down 

Armaggedom

 

All this can happen in a few weeks time 

Eph. 3:20 “Now to the one who can, according to his power that is operating in us, do more than superabundantly beyond all the things we ask or conceive”

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1 hour ago, Sofia said:

Yep 

So, this open up for some type of clarification. We used to say JD includes all judgement starting from when Jehova gets involved (giving the thought in the nations leader to give their Power to UN), normally we say that the great tribulation are Jehovas day(starting directly after Peace and security and ending in harmageddon)

 

But if 1 thess 5:1,2 means that Jehovas Day start after  they say ”peace and security” , and thar is after false religon are destroyed.  the destruction following after that will then be ”Jehovas day ”(harmageddon).

 

The two diffrent option puts diffrent meaning of what actually is Jehovas day and what it includes.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Andress said:

So, this open up for some type of clarification. We used to say JD includes all judgement starting from when Jehova gets involved (giving the thought in the nations leader to give their Power to UN), normally we say that the great tribulation are Jehovas day(starting directly after Peace and security and ending in harmageddon)

 

But if 1 thess 5:1,2 means that Jehovas Day start after  they say ”peace and security” , and thar is after false religon are destroyed.  the destruction following after that will then be ”Jehovas day ”(harmageddon).

 

The two diffrent option puts diffrent meaning of what actually is Jehovas day and what it includes.

 

 

 

The cry isn't the beginning of the GT, the destruction of BtG is.

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I find it very unlikely that the destruction of all false religion can be completed in just a few days. Laws will have to be passed. With all the fanatics out there, I guess there will violence and fights, maybe riots in some places. All of that will take some time.

 

Then governments and merchants will need to realize that destroying false religion will take a toll on their economy. That won't happen in a week or two either. 

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1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The cry isn't the beginning of the GT, the destruction of BtG is.

I agree, or are a bit in need for some more clarification or ”we do not know”

from GB. For example as I see it now, the GT and Jehovas day starts when the nations are given the thought in their heart to give over authority to UN. And at this point and forward it will most likely go more then 24h  to finish of BTG and proclaim P&S.  In fact, P&S could also come before (before Jehova starts to get involved) they then get authority in UN to try to maintain it, then sudden destruction are upon them starting with BTG and all to follow.

 

any how, we are happy those passages are still in need of fullfillment to be 100% understood, that helps us to get these important ”texts” alive in our minds.  Imagine how booring if everything would have been 100% revealed already 1914.


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19 minutes ago, carlos said:

With all the fanatics out there, I guess there will violence and fights, maybe riots in some places. All of that will take some time.

So maybe that is another reason that “Peace and Security” is declared after the BTG is completely destroyed.  Removing false religion completely on Earth is like deeply uprooting a large old tree. We will expect resistance or pushback from its supporters and worldwide economies will perhaps will take hit. 

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5 hours ago, carlos said:

I find it very unlikely that the destruction of all false religion can be completed in just a few days. Laws will have to be passed. With all the fanatics out there, I guess there will violence and fights, maybe riots in some places. All of that will take some time.

 

Then governments and merchants will need to realize that destroying false religion will take a toll on their economy. That won't happen in a week or two either. 

 

Not in "a few days", nor "a week or two".  But,  take note of the statement made:  "What, then, may we expect?  In the near future, "the 10 horns" and the greatly empowered wild beast will destroy false religion."

 

So, this action by the empowered UN will not be in the typical, sluggish, bureaucrat-heavy, style of the old UN.  In fact, putting religion out of business may be the very reason and motivation for the nations to pass their authority to the global organization (Rev 17:17).  So, this will be job number 1 for the empowered UN.

 

It could be that the UN unanimously decides to tax religious donations and other revenue.  That would naturally be resisted by the religions.  But if it's a decree by the UN, what authority can overrule it?

 

One comparison might be 'Operation Warp Speed' when the vaccines were being rushed to market.  Red tape and normal procedures were set aside.

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24 minutes ago, Doug said:

It could be that the UN unanimously decides to tax religious donations and other revenue

If the thought is to remove religion.... then why tax something that has been removed.... how would that work?..... or am I not understanding this...

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1 hour ago, sixseven said:

If the thought is to remove religion.... then why tax something that has been removed.... how would that work?..... or am I not understanding this...

 

I never imagined the governments storming churches with soldiers because they wanted to destroy the religion.

 

However, taxing a religion by revoking their exempt status, would put the religion out of business.  The properties and bank accounts could be seized and sold to satisfy tax debt.

Religions that might agitate and protest could be held criminally responsible.

 

I imagine  the UN plundering the wealth of religions within the framework of existing ,or possibly new, laws.  In its Pact for the Future,  items 47 - 52 include the statement "We will accelerate the reform of the international financial architecture (ie; religions should pay taxes like other businesses?).

 

Item 54: "We will strengthen the international response to complex global shocks".  Complex global shocks have a disproportionate impact on the poorest and most vulnerable people in the world and usually have disastrous consequences for sustainable development and prosperity". 

While the poor suffer, and every government is in debt, religions sit on vast wealth and resources. 

 

Pact for the Future was adopted by consensus.  No state objected.  The UN is primed for the fulfillment of Rev 17:17.  What they will do with their absolute authority will be very interesting to witness.

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3 hours ago, sixseven said:

If the thought is to remove religion.... then why tax something that has been removed.... how would that work?..... or am I not understanding this...

 

In private they may want to destroy religion, but they may believe that a frontal attack will not work. So they may decide to do a campaign about everyone paying "their fair share", knowing that such taxation will destroy religion. It's a tactic that is more likely to be accepted by the public. 

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1 hour ago, LeolaRootStew said:

In private they may want to destroy religion, but they may believe that a frontal attack will not work. So they may decide to do a campaign about everyone paying "their fair share", knowing that such taxation will destroy religion. It's a tactic that is more likely to be accepted by the public. 

An cautious approach like that sounds likely if they were doing this of their own will. But it's really God's Will that they're carrying out. Jehovah utterly abhors Babylon the Great, and wants the UN to "make her devastated and naked, [...] eat up her flesh and completely burn her with fire" (Re 17:16). Does it seem likely that Jehovah would use such a cautious, indirect approach to destroy her? No, it's more reasonable to assume that He will give the UN both the desire and the boldness to launch a direct attack on false religion. 

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