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  1. Another brother and I once jokingly developed this thesis that there's an angel "up there" in the heavenly organization who's responsible for humour and jokes, a sort of rogue angel who is allowed to act freely within the boundaries of Jehovah's sense of humour because of some of the stuff that happens in service or the meetings. I bet Jehovah finds these kinds of things very entertaining.
  2. Apostates really are active on this one. I was searching for German language newspaper reports on the mailing effort, and the comments sections were full of apostate comments, mostly by the same three or four guys who just kept going on and on and on and on and on and on. I actually really feel sorry for these people.
  3. My second version: As I have been informed, a process is underway that could lead to the ban on the religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Russian Federation. As a result, 170 000 Jehovah's Witnesses, my brothers and sisters in Russia, would be prosecuted just for speaking about and for practicing their religious beliefs . We are accused of being "extremist". It would seem that we are believed to pose a danger to the government, the people and the public order. Nothing could be further from the truth. As you certainly know, as a Jehovah's Witness, we are directed primarily by Bible principle. Jesus Christ is our greatest model, and as he himself said, we are bound to subordinate ourselves to the authorities. "Pay Caesar's things back to Caesar, and God's things to God" (Matthew 22:21) Paul also affirmed this in the Epistles, when he wrote, "Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God"- according to Romans 13: 1. We do not, therefore, merely respect our government, but for us, opposing the governmental authority would be equal to opposing God. However, there are also orders which we as Christians can not fulfill, for example, mandatory military service, for we are convinced that Jesus has given us an example of peaceableness and demands the same from us. Please do not forget, based of this conviction, thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses were forced into the concentration camps in the Third Reich. It is estimated that 1 000 died there. Would not it be sad and unfair if 170,000 loyal citizens became potential criminals based of their faith? Sincerely Ruben XXX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- wie ich erfahren habe, ist ein Verfahren im Gange, dass dazu führen könnte, die Religionsgemeinschaft der Zeugen Jehovas in der Russischen Föderation zu verbieten. In Folge dessen würden 170.000 Zeugen Jehovas, meine Brüder und Schwestern in Russland, strafrechtlich verfolgt werden, nur weil sie über ihre Religion sprechen und diese ausüben. Hierbei wird uns der Vorwurf gemacht, wir seien „extremistisch“. Offenbar wird uns unterstellt, wir seien eine Gefahr für die Regierung, die Bevölkerung und der öffentlichen Ordnung. Nichts könnte weiter von der Wahrheit entfernt sein. Wie Sie sicherlich wissen, richten wir als Zeugen Jehovas uns tatsächlich in erster Linie nach der Bibel. Jesus Christus ist unser größtes Vorbild, und wie er selbst sagte, sind wir angehalten, uns den Obrigkeiten unterzuordnen. „Zahlt daher Cäsars Dinge Cäsar zurück, Gottes Dinge aber Gott“ – gemäß Matthäus 22:21 Auch Paulus bekräftigte dies in den Episteln, als er schrieb „Jede Seele sei den obrigkeitlichen Gewalten untertan, denn es gibt keine Gewalt außer durch Gott; die bestehenden Gewalten stehen in ihren relativen Stellungen als von Gott angeordnet“ – gemäß Römer 13:1. Wir achten also nicht einfach die Regierungen, sondern für uns würde sich den Regierungen zu widersetzen bedeuten, sich Gott zu widersetzen. Allerdings gibt es auch Anordnungen, denen wir als Christen nicht nachkommen können, beispielsweise den Militärdienst, denn wir sind überzeugt, dass Jesus uns Friedfertigkeit vorgelebt hat und von uns verlangt. Vergessen Sie bitte nicht, wegen dieser Überzeugung wanderten Tausende Zeugen Jehovas im Dritten Reich ins Konzentrationslager, es wird geschätzt, dass 1.000 dort starben. Wäre es nicht traurig und ungerecht, wenn 170.000 treue Staatsbürger wegen ihres Glaubens zu potenziellen Kriminellen würden? Hochachtungsvoll Ruben XXX
  4. My second version: As I have been informed, a process is underway that could lead to the ban on the religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Russian Federation. As a result, 170 000 Jehovah's Witnesses, my brothers and sisters in Russia, would be prosecuted just for speaking about and for practicing their religious beliefs . We are accused of being "extremist". It would seem that we are believed to pose a danger to the government, the people and the public order. Nothing could be further from the truth. As you certainly know, as a Jehovah's Witness, we are directed primarily by Bible principle. Jesus Christ is our greatest model, and as he himself said, we are bound to subordinate ourselves to the authorities. "Pay Caesar's things back to Caesar, and God's things to God" (Matthew 22:21) Paul also affirmed this in the Epistles, when he wrote, "Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God"- according to Romans 13: 1. We do not, therefore, merely respect our government, but for us, opposing the governmental authority would be equal to opposing God. However, there are also orders which we as Christians can not fulfill, for example, mandatory military service, for we are convinced that Jesus has given us an example of peaceableness and demands the same from us. Please do not forget, based of this conviction, thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses were forced into the concentration camps in the Third Reich. It is estimated that 1 000 died there. Would not it be sad and unfair if 170,000 loyal citizens became potential criminals based of their faith? Sincerely Ruben XXX ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- wie ich erfahren habe, ist ein Verfahren im Gange, dass dazu führen könnte, die Religionsgemeinschaft der Zeugen Jehovas in der Russischen Föderation zu verbieten. In Folge dessen würden 170.000 Zeugen Jehovas, meine Brüder und Schwestern in Russland, strafrechtlich verfolgt werden, nur weil sie über ihre Religion sprechen und diese ausüben. Hierbei wird uns der Vorwurf gemacht, wir seien „extremistisch“. Offenbar wird uns unterstellt, wir seien eine Gefahr für die Regierung, die Bevölkerung und der öffentlichen Ordnung. Nichts könnte weiter von der Wahrheit entfernt sein. Wie Sie sicherlich wissen, richten wir als Zeugen Jehovas uns tatsächlich in erster Linie nach der Bibel. Jesus Christus ist unser größtes Vorbild, und wie er selbst sagte, sind wir angehalten, uns den Obrigkeiten unterzuordnen. „Zahlt daher Cäsars Dinge Cäsar zurück, Gottes Dinge aber Gott“ – gemäß Matthäus 22:21 Auch Paulus bekräftigte dies in den Episteln, als er schrieb „Jede Seele sei den obrigkeitlichen Gewalten untertan, denn es gibt keine Gewalt außer durch Gott; die bestehenden Gewalten stehen in ihren relativen Stellungen als von Gott angeordnet“ – gemäß Römer 13:1. Wir achten also nicht einfach die Regierungen, sondern für uns würde sich den Regierungen zu widersetzen bedeuten, sich Gott zu widersetzen. Allerdings gibt es auch Anordnungen, denen wir als Christen nicht nachkommen können, beispielsweise den Militärdienst, denn wir sind überzeugt, dass Jesus uns Friedfertigkeit vorgelebt hat und von uns verlangt. Vergessen Sie bitte nicht, wegen dieser Überzeugung wanderten Tausende Zeugen Jehovas im Dritten Reich ins Konzentrationslager, es wird geschätzt, dass 1.000 dort starben. Wäre es nicht traurig und ungerecht, wenn 170.000 treue Staatsbürger wegen ihres Glaubens zu potenziellen Kriminellen würden? Hochachtungsvoll Ruben XXX
  5. Sorry if I offended you or misunderstood something. It wasn't generally directed only at you but at everybody intending to write such a letter or multiple letters. It's just, the fact is, with internet and modern communications, certain standards have dropped, and among private communications this is okay but we are explicitly requested to be formal with this organized effort.
  6. Some points I urge everybody to focus on. The instructions say "Give attention to proper spelling, grammar, and punctuation." There are quite a few spelling mistakes in this text and countless no-gos as pertains to puctuation. Multiple full-stops are a no-go. (....) multiple commas even more (,,,,,,,) Exclamation marks may be considered threatening or insulting(especially multiple !!! or ???) Ampersands (&) seem lazy and do not belong behind a full-stop. It might be sensible to run your text through a software with a spelling-check app. Please everybody, make the utmost effort for us to make the best of this. Even if it means getting some help. Also, the instructions say "Letters should be candid but respectful." Please don't start your letter with "To Mr. Putin....." but with a proper formal addressing, as is standard when writing to a high official. "Dear President Putin" is still far more respectful. It has been stated here on this forum that there is nothing wrong with writing "Esteemed President Putin" as per the example in the Bible.
  7. Well that's not what they wrote on the PDF instructions They actually recommended express despite being so expensive. I did not want to afford to send more than four though.
  8. This morning at the post office, I could just tell the lady wanted to know what on earth this is all about. 4 of our 12 letters went out via express to Mr. Tschaika, Mr. Lebedew and Mr. Lawrow, the others went out via standard mail. I've acquired a taste for this. I wonder, how did that thing with the Microsoft Word Serial letters go again.... ?
  9. My first draft (in German, translated rudimentarily into English for the forum:)
  10. Central London is on lockdown, from what I heard.
  11. The difference is "Christendom" does have a book to go by, it's called the bible, and as the bible itself says it is complete and fully equips you - even if most people in Christendom can't wrap their heads around that. The Quran simply is not sufficient to "fully equip" a muslim. Take an hour or two to flick through it, you'll understand what I mean.
  12. you need to add "Turkish minister says" Pretty much everything coming from Turkey at the moment needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.
  13. We are talking about a religious system that has inherent difficulties in defining itself. What is islam, islamic, according to islam? How do you define what is islamic? Anything to do with the Quran? If you only go by what the Quran says, you end up not understanding anything. The Quran does not explain itself in the way the bible does: "In the beginning God created the heavens and earth, then he created man and woman, then the first couple rebelled and disobeyed, then they were expelled, then they had children, one of the children murdered the other one, then.... then... then..." The Quran can only be fully comprehended by studying sources outside the Quran, for example the Hadith and life biography of Muhammad. There are bookshelves full of material that come from the early islamic centuries. This isn't just a question of "sects", this is also basically a question of personal preference, the defining of "strong" Hadith and "weak Hadith". It's not quite as simple as defining biblical canonicity because weak and and the same time strong Hadith come from the same collection. Supposedly, this Hadith demanding a fully body cover is "weak" because the source quoting Aisha is not named. Then again, there are several Hadith that claim that camel urine has health benefits, and that Muhammad urged his disciples to drink the stuff. This is not a myth. Camel urine is considered healthy by some North Africans for this reason. Now what makes more sense, that drinking camel urine is healthy or that God wants women to cover themselves fully so not as to arouse men? By the way, the unresolved question of whether a Hadith is "weak" or "strong" is also why some muslims consider it wrong to marry girls before they reach puberty while entire muslim cultures like Yemen consider it acceptable to marry underage girls. I'm not going to go into the consummation of marriage issues. It has nothing to do with sects, it has simply to do with the fact that there is no coherent source muslims go by. It certainly isn't the Quran, which has about 45% as many words as the Christian Greek Scriptures, many of which repeat themselves, many of which are only references (not the full story) of distorted bible accounts or jewish fables and myths, so the Quran certainly is not sufficient to guide a muslim in his worship. That leaves you with the Hadith, where you basically have a diverse set of morals available, and no clear indication or "leitmotif" to go by to determine what is "strong" or "weak". The term "religion à la carte" is actually very fitting at this point. And this is precisely why you have muslim cultures that oppress women while other muslim cultures have a more balanced view of family headship and the role of the husband and father, minimum age for marriage, how to deal with unbelievers, polytheists, et cetera.