ISIS threatens attacks on churches tomorrow

[Trina]

ISIS sent a message warning of terror attacks on Sunday Church goers, the FBI is asking for everyone to be cautious and aware of their surroundings. I cannot seem to find the actual list to see if JW's were included. If anyone could find it that would be helpful. 

 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/12/22/islamic-state-urges-attacks-us-churches-during-holidays/95746982/

 

 

[Friends just call me Ross]

 

Didn't dare go on some of the websites that were cited, for fear of bringing the FBI

or Homeland Security to my abode.

But I did find something encouraging:

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The Islamic State has published such lists before — in June, Vocativ reported on a “kill list” that included more than 8,000 names and addresses, including that of police officers in the United States. The June list resulted in no known attacks.

http://www.vocativ.com/386579/isis-lists-u-s-churches-to-attack-during-the-holidays/

 

[Friends just call me Ross]

ISIS fighters remove the cross from a church in Iraq-Syria.

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ISIS supporters posted a list of Christian Churches to target for attacks this Christmas season.
The list appeared in a recent online post.

Vocativ reported:

A user going by the name of “Abu Marya al-Iraqi” posted an Arabic-language message calling “for bloody celebrations in the Christian New Year” and announced the group’s plans to utilize its network of lone wolf attackers to “turn the Christian New Year into a bloody horror movie.”

 

The series of messages appeared in a pro-ISIS group on Telegram, which also provides manuals for the use and preparations of weapons and explosives for aspiring assailants. The information, distributed in a number of posts, was all previously available online and includes a public directory of churches across all 50 states. (Vocativ does not publish specific information found in lists like these.)

 

 

 

URL to source quoted above: 

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/isis-releases-hit-list-churches-ny-california-florida-texas-target-christmas/

[Hartley]

If I were catholic, I would be worried.

[Trina]

That was one of the churches I had wondered about. They also mentioned attacking police officers and any highly crowded areas. 

 

Does anyone know what they feel about us in general? I don't think I have heard them speak out about us in particular.  It doesn't make any difference what they threaten I will not miss my meeting tomorrow, I'd rather be with my brothers and sisters no matter what.

[trottigy]

It's all good, Trump has a plan .....

 

 

[cricket246]

Interesting... First Isis then the wild beast...hmm.. Thing sound like their heating up on the world scene.. 2017 Is gonna make for an interesting year..

[hatcheckgirl]

That terror threat for Melbourne this week that was averted due to police intervention was aimed at St Paul's Cathedral and the area surrounding it including the main plaza Federation Square and the second biggest train station Flinders St. It fits the description of where these terror cells are aiming at - areas where Christians and crowds gather. But how do you stop lone wolf attacks? Very hard to impossible to do.

 

Remeber in the past lone wolf and terror groups have targeted religious shrines where there are many tourists, like in Thailand, and so really, it is anywhere with crowds they are targeting. But at this time the crowds are worshipping at churches and partying at NY. Airports too. And the big sporting events like cricket matches and Tennis, which is our summer sports religion here in Australia. It is impossible to feel safe anymore. Thanks to Jehovah we can and we try and help others too. Can you see the desperation in their eyes this year when they wish us merry Xmas? It's like they are willing it to be 'merry' but they know it isn't.

[Trina]

I have noticed a lot less Christmas decorations in my neighborhood and a lot less wishing merry Christmas and if they do it's quick and more of an in passing goodby. The people are hoping for miracles from Trump and they will again be disappointed as usual. I really am wondering about how this year will be I'm expecting strange things to happen and I'm looking forward to my regional convention already. 

The world is definitely not safe and secure right now, more crime this year and even several news reports of strange occurrences such as people trying to kidnap children in plane view with other people around, we need the new system badly.

[Cushi]

1 hour ago, cricket246 said:

Interesting... First Isis then the wild beast...

What has the wild beast done lately?

[cricket246]

It reminds me of how the wild beast turns on the great harlot in prophecy.. It looks like mankind is getting an early start... Jehovah did say if He didn't step in men would annihilate themselves.

[Shawnster]

Is there ever a terrorist attack when the terrorists announce in advance their plans?

[Cushi]

We'll just have to wait and see if anything happens. ISIS has made many threats like the ones for New Year's Day and the thanksgiving parade and nothing happened...

[niall]

It doesn't really need to be an actual physical attack. If they can disrupt normal activities, and increase fear, they have achieved a partial victory. It still adds to the fear and distrust members of the community have of other members.

[Shawnster]

1 minute ago, niall said:

It doesn't really need to be an actual physical attack. If they can disrupt normal activities, and increase fear, they have achieved a partial victory. It still adds to the fear and distrust members of the community have of other members.

And have they done that yet in any case other than an actual attack?

[GeordieGirl]

10 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

And have they done that yet in any case other than an actual attack?

Not them personally as they don't announce their attacks but I think the fact that interrupted terror threats, like the one in Melbourne that Lucy talked about in post 7, causes an increase in fear and a disruption to peoples' lives.  Although their attempts have been foiled they get plenty of media attention which in turns makes people more and more wary.  I don't know what the feeling is about Muslims in the US but here in Australia there is a lot of hatred for them as many people here put the Muslim community and ISIS in the same basket.  

[trottigy]

48 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

Not them personally as they don't announce their attacks but I think the fact that interrupted terror threats, like the one in Melbourne that Lucy talked about in post 7, causes an increase in fear and a disruption to peoples' lives.  Although their attempts have been foiled they get plenty of media attention which in turns makes people more and more wary.  I don't know what the feeling is about Muslims in the US but here in Australia there is a lot of hatred for them as many people here put the Muslim community and ISIS in the same basket.  

Whats funny about this - if the media said nothing, but heard of an attack and it happens - People wold be complaining that the media didn't tell everyone.

 

Interesting world.

Edited December 25, 2016 by trottigy

[Shawnster]

22 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

Not them personally as they don't announce their attacks but I think the fact that interrupted terror threats, like the one in Melbourne that Lucy talked about in post 7, causes an increase in fear and a disruption to peoples' lives.  Although their attempts have been foiled they get plenty of media attention which in turns makes people more and more wary.  I don't know what the feeling is about Muslims in the US but here in Australia there is a lot of hatred for them as many people here put the Muslim community and ISIS in the same basket.  

 

The feeling is the same here.  

[niall]

And have they done that yet in any case other than an actual attack?

Of course there has to be a number of actual attacks in order for the threat to be real.

I'm not sure, are you suggesting that the threat to attack the church and train station in Melbourne would have no impact on people in the area because it never actually happened?

To my knowledge, there has never been a terrorist attack in Toowoomba (Australia), and yet there is a general dislike/fear of Muslims, or people in hijab's etc. Toowoomba is a moderate country town, but the hatred has been enough to see the local mosque set on fire three times in the last couple of years.

[Shawnster]

No.  What I was wondering was this:  

 

If they announce these plans in order to stir panic and disrupt life as we know it, how much have they succeeded?  Around here the stores have still seemed packed and people still go about their daily routines despite saying they are afraid of something that might happen.  The threat of terrorism has not made a noticeable difference it seems in the economy or in the habits of ordinary citizens.

 

The only time I have seen or read where people do act differently has only been after a major attack.  And even then they quickly get back to their normal routines.  

 

Further, it seems that whenever ISIS or any terrorist organization has made a major attack, such as 9/11, Charlie Hebdo or the Paris bombings, they have never announced their intentions in advance.  That tends to run counter to the goal of killing the most amount of people.  

[hatcheckgirl]

Same here in Perth.  There is real and absolute fear about what may happen.  Most (including us) feel it is only a matter of time before the actual terrorist bombs aren't intervened in time and we here too will experience what is already happened in Europe.  That, I think is part of the "faint out of fear" now becoming more common in the community.  Do you really think those in Paris can ever go back to some sort of normality?  How do you do that, without looking suspiciously at every Muslim walking down the street, at your supermarket, on the train or at work?  Everyone is jittery.

 

BTW, the terrorist in Australia have been mainly 'home-grown' and not necessarily coming from outside through migration.  That is why, I think the hatred is directed at all Muslims.  Our current immigration minister has already gone on record as saying allowing Lebanese immigrants in the 1970's was a mistake, and has caused this current wave of home-grown radicalised terrorists. http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/peter-duttons-remarks-on-lebanese-muslims-risk-creating-terrorists-of-future-20161124-gswqlz.html

 

And that is the crux of the problem - governments can't give guarantees that our lives are safe.

[Trina]

It's definitely changed into a fearful world. I have actually wondered wether or not the intelligence community knew of certain threats beforehand and they have started to warn the community for assistance now. The more eyes the better situation. But I doubt the FBI would make any announcement at all if they didn't feel there was a credible threat, why would they set people on alarm for nothing? 

So many things are kept under wraps from the public so we may never know how much they were told before each attack.

 

I hope they are just doing it for a scare tactic but it's important for all of us to be careful tomorrow just in case. 

[niall]

No.  What I was wondering was this:  
 
If they announce these plans in order to stir panic and disrupt life as we know it, how much have they succeeded?  Around here the stores have still seemed packed and people still go about their daily routines despite saying they are afraid of something that might happen.  The threat of terrorism has not made a noticeable difference it seems in the economy or in the habits of ordinary citizens.

Ok, I get your point. The first thing that came to mind was what Jesus said about the people taking "no note" at Matthew 24:37-39. It's hard to quantify. On one hand I can clearly see (and hear) the fear and distrust that is developing, but on the other hand, they are still shopping and socialising.

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, Shawnster said:

And have they done that yet in any case other than an actual attack?

I spoke to some "worldly people" about terrorism and they said that they will stay home during NY celebrations avoiding crowds etc.. they fear that something might happen ...

Thus the "fear" of "uncertainty" is already impacting peoples decisions ...

I believe that "psychologically" terrorism is inflicting damage to a greater extent then physical impact.

I have cancelled my trip to Egypt after some terror attack there .

http://www.timesofisrael.com/us-issues-travel-warnings-for-jordan-egypt/

Edited December 25, 2016 by Gregexplore

[Trina]

I agree brother Greg. Also a general lack of trust in people we see daily, we have been instructed to notice anything about people that is unusual, just like being worried about being flagged by the FBI for just looking at a site on the internet...it's everywhere we are now.