The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-pause-bn/index.html

Johnson & Johnson pauses Covid-19 vaccine trial after 'unexplained illness'

 

Drugmaker Johnson & Johnson said Monday it has paused the advanced clinical trial of its experimental coronavirus vaccine because of an unexplained illness in one of the volunteers.

"Adverse events -- illnesses, accidents, etc. -- even those that are serious, are an expected part of any clinical study, especially large studies." The pause was first reported by Stat News.

"The Johnson & Johnson trial is the biggest trial of the vaccine that I know of -- 60,000 people," Jha said. "Within that trial you'd expect a few pauses."

The drugmaker said there is a "significant distinction" between a study pause and a regulatory hold on a clinical trial.................

[Bob]

8 hours ago, Lee49 said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/12/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-pause-bn/index.html

"Adverse events -- illnesses, accidents, etc. -- even those that are serious, are an expected part of any clinical study, especially large studies." The pause was first reported by Stat News.

"The Johnson & Johnson trial is the biggest trial of the vaccine that I know of -- 60,000 people," Jha said. "Within that trial you'd expect a few pauses."

The drugmaker said there is a "significant distinction" between a study pause and a regulatory hold on a clinical trial.................

This is good news as well. The point of Phase III is to have potential issues crop up before (not after) the vaccine(s) are distributed to the public. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by Bob

[BLEmom]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-investigating-large-religious-event-nashville-maskless-crowds-n1243069
 

Images of Sunday's concert showed large, maskless crowds packed tightly together. In a tweet, Feucht, 37, said a police officer who was "escorting him out" said as many as 10,000 people attended.

[Tortuga]

WHO says that 'herd immunity' is unethical.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/covid-19-spread-herd-immunity-unethical-who-chief-says/

 

"The head of the World Health Organization warned Monday against suggestions by some to just allow COVID-19 to spread in the hope of achieving so-called herd immunity, saying this was "unethical." "

Edited October 13, 2020 by Tortuga

[LindaViktoria]

I think its so strange that the smell and taste can change afterwards. 
I know several people that cant eat or drink things they used to. 
My sister cant eat or drink anything with milk in it. It tastes metallic. 
My two kids cant drink for example certain juices. It tastes sweat to them. Food that they used to like before tastes sweat. Coke tastes like perfume. 
A colleagues daughter cant eat bread because it tastes ruled. 
Another one cant drink coffee Since it tastes metallic. 
Will this ever become normal again? Its been 5 months now since we had it. I havent read anything about it anywhere. 
Have you?

Edited October 14, 2020 by LindaViktoria

[CHecker]

19 minutes ago, LindaViktoria said:

I think its so strange that the smell and taste can change afterwards. 
I know several people that cant eat or drink things they used to. 
My sister cant eat or drink anything with milk in it. It tastes metallic. 
My two kids cant drink for example certain juices. It tastes sweat to them. Food that they used to like before tastes sweat. Coke tastes like perfume. 
A colleagues daughter cant eat bread because it tastes ruled. 
Another one cant drink coffee Since it tastes metallic. 
Will this ever become normal again? Its been 5 months now since we had it. I havent read anything about it anywhere. 
Have you?

That is so interesting,  I'll have to look more into it sis. Thanks for the info!!!

[Tbs77]

The White House is embracing a 'herd immunity' strategy that would allow COVID-19 to spread freely, despite it being widely disputed by scientists

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-briefs-great-barrington-disputed-science-2020-10?amp

It's going to be a rough winter! I'm following Governing Body update #4 recommendations

[Bob]

16 minutes ago, Tbs77 said:

The White House is embracing a 'herd immunity' strategy that would allow COVID-19 to spread freely, despite it being widely disputed by scientists

https://www.businessinsider.com/white-house-briefs-great-barrington-disputed-science-2020-10?amp

It's going to be a rough winter! I'm following Governing Body update #4 recommendations

From the article:

 

Quote

.. given by senior but anonymous officials.

I'll just leave this right here with no further comment. 

Edited October 14, 2020 by Bob

[Tbs77]

Great Barrington Declaration - "As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection."

 

But Dr Johnny Bananas is kinda funny...

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/09/herd-immunity-letter-signed-fake-experts-dr-johnny-bananas-covid

[Tbs77]

I'll just leave this right here with no further comment. 

I respect that but when dropped officially from Whitehouse I look forward to your comment.
Agape

[Bob]

15 minutes ago, Tbs77 said:

I respect that but when dropped officially from Whitehouse I look forward to your comment.
Agape

Precisely. I prefer actual evidence over anonymous claims because I'm not a ghost hunter. 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2020 by Bob

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/health/us-coronavirus-wednesday/index.html

The US is beginning to see a resurgence of Covid-19 cases. Small household gatherings are helping drive the surge, CDC chief says

Small gatherings are becoming a source of Covid - 19 spread at least 36 states are now reporting increased cases of the virus and hospitalizations are on the rise nationwide.

 "what we're seeing as the increasing threat right now is actually acquisition of infection through small household gatherings," Redfield said. "Particularly with Thanksgiving coming up, we think it's really important to stress the vigilance of these continued mitigation steps in the household setting."

 

I can only speak for myself on this issue as my wife and I are guilty of relaxing our association with our grandson ( 6 yrs old ) who comes over once a week, it's hard not to keep a distance from him, although we haven't had him spend the night with us since the beginning of Covid. He is being home schooled and  we are glad he is.

 

[Shawnster]

43 minutes ago, Lee49 said:

I can only speak for myself on this issue as my wife and I are guilty of relaxing our association with our grandson ( 6 yrs old ) who comes over once a week, it's hard not to keep a distance from him, although we haven't had him spend the night with us since the beginning of Covid. He is being home schooled and  we are glad he is.

 

Sometimes that is out of necessity.  We have watched our 3 month old granddaughter as both her parents have jobs. She's even spent the night.  The child is simply too young to be left alone and her parents need to work.  

[BLEmom]

I’m curious about the thought process on this....do most of you believe the advice is still to not leave the house unless necessary?  To not associate with anyone at all?  To lock yourself down like bethel?

[Tortuga]

19 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

I’m curious about the thought process on this....do most of you believe the advice is still to not leave the house unless necessary?  To not associate with anyone at all?  To lock yourself down like bethel?

The congregation elders received information from the branch several months ago that was made available to anyone in the congregation, that information has not been updated. Your elders should be able to give you a copy of the current recommendations from the branch. My wife and I will be reviewing that information tonight for Family Worship.

 

I hope that helps..

Edited October 14, 2020 by Tortuga

[BLEmom]

4 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

The congregation elders received information from the branch several months ago that was made available to anyone in the congregation, that information has not been updated. Your elders should be able to give you a copy of the current recommendations from the branch. My wife and I will be reviewing that information tonight for Family Worship.

 

I hope that helps..

Yes I am aware of that. However, we also had updates via the broadcast. 

[Whitley M]

On 10/13/2020 at 9:10 AM, BLEmom said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/authorities-investigating-large-religious-event-nashville-maskless-crowds-n1243069
 

Images of Sunday's concert showed large, maskless crowds packed tightly together. In a tweet, Feucht, 37, said a police officer who was "escorting him out" said as many as 10,000 people attended.

I was just reading about this... he tried to use the scripture “whenever they are speaking Abusively of you” 1 Peter 4:4  to Justify his behavior...I was absolutely sick over looking at some of the “healings” and singing rock concert ,and no social distancing etc. I could just go on and on... makes me sick! 

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, BLEmom said:

To lock yourself down like bethel?

The Branch seems to understand this is not practical or possible for all Christians.  Brothers and sisters need to work secularly.  Brothers and sisters are used in Branch directed food distribution.  Some special pioneers who are on complete lockdown are relying upon others in the congregation to deliver groceries and necessary supplies they cannot get delivered or ordered online.  Our CO and his wife were given the option to choose between having groceries delivered or opting for curbside pickup. The Branch understands and has allowed families to choose to either send their children to school or opt for some form of home schooling. 

 

The instructions from the Branch clearly indicated family heads were to decide for their own family on how to keep their family safe. 

[M.J.]

@Shawnster

Is there a way to quote your comment above, but move it into a different thread, because I have a question, but off topic.

[Lance]

Marquee select... copy ....go to your other topic ... paste into response in other topic. Done

Edited October 15, 2020 by Lance

[M.J.]

@Lance

LOL, yes, I could have figured that out, but I was hoping for a smoother format that maintains and shows the quote comes from Shawnster.

[BLEmom]

9 hours ago, Shawnster said:

The instructions from the Branch clearly indicated family heads were to decide for their own family on how to keep their family safe. 

That’s the part that I was curious how people are taking it...because it was stated that as restrictions ease, still be vigilant. However, I’ve heard various ideas of what that means. While some refuse to leave their house, others will social distance in small groups outside in a backyard or at a park. Of course those with special health issues are more strict than others and that is to be expected. As restrictions in your area ease, would not seeing family members or others in small groups while social distancing be appropriate, not just for necessity? 
All of this make become moot as it looks bad for a return to stricter measures as the numbers are going nuts again...😬

[Shawnster]

9 hours ago, M.J. said:

@Shawnster

Is there a way to quote your comment above, but move it into a different thread, because I have a question, but off topic.

Copy it with your cursor. Paste it in the new conversation.  Put it in quote format.   It won't have my name but it will be in a quote.  You can identify it as my words by saying Shawnster said:

 

That's the easiest way right now with the site being difficult at the moment. 

[Shawnster]

35 minutes ago, BLEmom said:

That’s the part that I was curious how people are taking it...because it was stated that as restrictions ease, still be vigilant. However, I’ve heard various ideas of what that means. While some refuse to leave their house, others will social distance in small groups outside in a backyard or at a park. Of course those with special health issues are more strict than others and that is to be expected. As restrictions in your area ease, would not seeing family members or others in small groups while social distancing be appropriate, not just for necessity? 

I'm sure you understand the Organization cannot make blanket rules, but can only offer guidelines.  They can emphasize those guidelines, STRONGLY RECOMMEND those guidelines, and beg and plead with us to follow those guidelines.  The Organization can emphasize and highlight the seriousness of following those guidelines.  However, since the scriptures do not give the FDS the authority to make these guidelines rules, nor do the scriptures give any authority to punish ones who violate these guidelines, we are left with the situation we have.  The Branch or Organization strongly recommends we follow a certain course and it's up to us to either listen to or ignore their loving advice.  Those who choose to ignore the advice must answer to Jehovah for that choice.  

 

Would it be wise to ease our own attitudes as the situation eases in our area?  One of the friends recently shared with me direction they heard from the Organization.   The direction was a reminder that the world's safety standards are set to the minimum level, not the maximum level.  In other words, the world will take just enough precautions to barely get by and remain safe.  Jehovah's Organization encourages taking the most safety precautions we can.  The Organization doesn't want us to take any unnecessary risks to our health.  They want us as safe as possible.  Maximum protection, not minimum protection.

 

What does that mean for us as individuals and families?  Well, since the FDS cannot make rules, nor does it have the authority to mark or reprove or disfellowship ones who ignore these safety warnings, they have left it up to the family head to decide.  Do we have a party because we feel safe and we desire to see each other?  Well, that's up to the family head to decide, but is it the wisest and safest course.  Can you look Jehovah in the eye and tell him you did your absolute best to remain safe, healthy, and did not expose anyone else to a potentially deadly disease?  Remember, the Israelites had to make sure they had a railing on their balconies just in case someone might fall off and hurt themselves or get killed.  

 

However, we're not all the same.  Our thinking isn't the same.  Our health isn't the same.  For some of us it may not be practical to decontaminate every piece of mail or package that comes into our home and let it set in isolation for 24 hours before opening; shower and wash our clothes as soon as we come home from grocery shopping or being exposed to the public, wear a mask + face shield + eye goggles + hair net + gloves each time we go out.  Wipe down touch surfaces like shopping cart handles or gas pump handles.  We may forget because we were in a rush.  There may not be wipes for us to use.  There are a variety of reasons why one Christian might take an overabundance of precaution when compared to another Christian.  

 

And that's OK.  Their conscience is assured they are doing their best in standing before Jehovah.  Likewise, our conscience should be assured we are doing our best in standing before Jehovah.  Just make sure you are constantly checking your conscience to see how it is behaving.  Is it allowing you to become too lax?  Really, the same standards we use for entertainment or any conscience matter can be applied to our Covid-19 protection.  Some Christians might have their conscience so seared that they simply don't care and they don't take any precautions.  Others might be so restrictive they lock themselves in their homes or wear protective gear even when they are in complete isolation.  We want to make sure we are balanced but well protected.

 

Sorry Dawn, I can't give you a blanket one-size fits all answer because there isn't a blanket one-size fits all answer.

[AH173]

In some older LDC /rbc training it was said to me by branch trainers:

 

Our safety consciousness is a measure of our spirituality. 

 

Our spirituality is demonstrated by our being safety conscious.