The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

The only cure is the Kingdom, and it's the best cure

... with zero side-effects

Old (Downunder) Tone

[AH173]

23 minutes ago, Dages said:

The only cure is the Kingdom, and it's the best cure

 

12 minutes ago, ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone said:

 

 

... with zero side-effects

Old (Downunder) Tone
 

 

And no dissenters to it. 

[Julie]

37 minutes ago, Dages said:

The only cure is the Kingdom, and it's the best cure

The campaign couldn't be coming at a more timely occasion, the world is in absolute turmoil whilst trying to keep a lid on this awful pandemic.

Here in the UK we're back into lockdown starting Thursday but it won't stop the message of salvation from reaching those who need to hear it.

 

 

[Pjdriver]

3 hours ago, Dages said:

The only cure is the Kingdom, and it's the best cure

If you could have just told us  that on page one.....think of all the time we
could have saved! 

Edited November 2, 2020 by Pjdriver

[WilliamChew]

On 11/1/2020 at 2:05 PM, blacc said:

I fear that the world may soon go on a total lockdown leading to a final shutdown, if you know what I mean...

It doesn't seem that the situation is so dire in my view.

 

I think what happened in Melbourne, Australia showed that a city wide lockdown can be effective.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/australia-no-new-local-covid-19-cases-first-5-months-melbourne-13430750

Australia has recorded no new locally transmitted coronavirus infection for the first time in five months.

 

In Melbourne, the capital of Victoria state, which had the highest number of cases in the country, residents were enjoying the first weekend of cafes, restaurants and pubs reopening to walk-in customers.

 

 

In Singapore, the cases have come down to almost zero. Our government has reported initial good news for the tracing app and token in tracing the infected cases to prevent further spread

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https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/tracetogether-app-tokens-close-contacts-cases-identified-covid19-13442296

About 25,000 close contacts of COVID-19 cases have been identified through TraceTogether to date, said Health Minister Gan Kim Yong on Monday (Nov 2).

 

Of the close contacts identified, 160 eventually tested positive for the coronavirus.

 

Edited November 3, 2020 by WilliamChew

[hatcheckgirl]

2 hours ago, WilliamChew said:

It doesn't seem that the situation is so dire in my view.

I think the difference is in the way governments approached this, and what they were aiming at - total eradicaiton, a tolerable number and building up her immunity, or something in between.  Effective curtailment involved shutting borders, something that didn't really happen effectively in Europe.  Effective curtailment also involves compliance by the citizens, something that didn't really happen in the US.  Other countries are struggling due to to huge populations and overcroweded slums, such as parts of South America and India.  But the better performing countries have smaller, more manageable populations, with strict movement/lockdown, and are isolated from other lands - New Zealand, Singapore, Taiwan and Australia.  And not every country therefore is going to be in the same position as these countries.  I can't see the situation getting better because international travel will reinfest these countries again, and we're all back to square one.  It's going to be a long process for human systems to be able to eradicate the virus worldwide.  Time this system doesn't have.

[Amygdala]

Good observations Lucy. Germany and other European countries are now taking in COVID patients from other European countries to help with the rising numbers.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Lieblingskind

[Hotteok]

Australia is an isolated island and Singapore has a strong government. 
Exceptional in that what they’ve accomplished can’t realistically be done in other countries? Just a thought

Edited November 3, 2020 by VisualizeUrParadise

[daydream]

Further to Sister Lucy succint reply, 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/health/covid-contact-tracing-tests.html 

Quote

 

 

Contact tracing, a cornerstone of the public health arsenal to tamp down the coronavirus across the world, has largely failed in the United States; the virus’s pervasiveness and major lags in testing have rendered the system almost pointless. In some regions, large swaths of the population have refused to participate or cannot even be located, further hampering health care workers.

 

“We are not doing it to the level or extent that it should be done,” said Steve Adler, the mayor of Austin, echoing the view of many state and city leaders. “There are three main reasons. One is the sheer number of people (> 333 millions), the second is the delay in getting test results back, the third is the wide community spread of the disease.”

 

 

[hatcheckgirl]

For what it's worth, China did the right thing - the lockdown, effective testing and tracing, isolation and quarantining.  Can other countries be as ruthless with their populations?  Hardly.  Yes, a strong government is needed, with a compliant population/or forced compliance.  Many even where it's been eradicated like where I live, have pandemic fatigue and have relaxed their vigilance.  Is it any wonder Melbourne had the second wave?  It was due to human non-compliance, and sloppy quarantining.  Once humans stop their vigilance, we get the virus back.  Humans are groaning and becoming more and more unable to cope with it dragging on.

[Amygdala]

3 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Humans are groaning and becoming more and more unable to cope with it dragging on.

More and more aggression on other humans around the world, too. With what happened in the knife attack on Halloween in Quebec, Canada, and now in Austria with the gunmen. Terror and fear is at a high point sadly.

[Hotteok]

1 hour ago, Lieblingskind said:

More and more aggression on other humans around the world, too. With what happened in the knife attack on Halloween in Quebec, Canada, and now in Austria with the gunmen. Terror and fear is at a high point sadly.

The world's definitely heading somewhere.. just that no one's quite sure where and when it's heading there if it's something.. At least the world's being constantly molded in a fashion that leads to Armageddon. 

[Shawnster]

5 hours ago, hatcheckgirl said:

For what it's worth, China did the right thing

Do we really trust the numbers coming out of China, though? How effectively could China downplay or under report their Covid-19 cases? 

[Hotteok]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Do we really trust the numbers coming out of China, though? How effectively could China downplay or under report their Covid-19 cases? 

No one can trust. They will even kill people to be able to manipulate the statistics. 

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Do we really trust the numbers coming out of China, though? How effectively could China downplay or under report their Covid-19 cases? 

I hear ya. They've censored doctors who dared talk about it. 

 

Quote

Chinese scientists warned the new virus was also contagious, spread by respiratory droplets and on surfaces. But both in Wuhan and in Beijing, health authorities sought to minimise the story, first insisting there was no reason to suspect the virus was transmitted by humans and later that the risk was low.

 

Frontline doctors didn’t agree. They tried to warn each other on social media, but were swiftly silenced, some forced to sign police confessions that they had spread misinformation.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/27/china-truth-coronavirus-panorama-xi-jinping

Edited November 3, 2020 by Bob

[hatcheckgirl]

Whenever I mention China, I always get someone say "we can't trust China's numbers".  And, can we trust USA or UK's?  Both have fudged their numbers in some way.  I'm actually not talking about numbers but rather HOW they have managed their containment of coronavirus cases.  And they have managed to succeed with a population of BILLIONS.  I think if they were allowing it to run rampart we would know about it, hey?

 

Before any one else comments about their unreliability and censorship, let me say I agree with that.  But going on this latest Reuters report, China still has a better handle on the pandemic than say, USA.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

More on the new cases reported in China

 

China reported 49 new COVID-19 cases for November 2, up from 24 a day earlier, the national health authority reported on Tuesday.

 
The National Health Commission said in a statement 44 of the new cases were imported infections originating from overseas and the other five were locally transmitted cases in the northwestern Xinjiang region.

 
Among the 44 imported cases, four were on a flight to the central city of Wuhan from New Delhi, India.

 

India has the second highest number of reported coronavirus cases in the world, after the United States.

 

They were the city's first imported cases since August 7.

  

The commission also reported 61 new asymptomatic cases, compared with 30 a day earlier.

  

Of the total, 19 were passengers on the same flight from New Delhi to Wuhan, where the virus first emerged last year.
  

Xinjiang region reported 13 new local asymptomatic cases in Kashgar.

 

Authorities in the region have been conducting large-scale testing in Kashgar and Kizilsu in Xinjiang's latest outbreak.

 

Kashgar and Akto county in neighbouring Kizilsu launched their third round of testing on November 1, after completing the first and second rounds since October 27.

 

As of November 2, Kashgar had 62 confirmed cases, while Kashgar and Kizilsu had a total of 231 asymptomatic cases.

  

China does not classify symptomless patients as confirmed COVID-19 cases.  (my comment - I don't know if Australia or any country does that either)

 

Reuters

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-03/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-victoria-protests-parliament/12842400

 

[Bob]

10 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

Whenever I mention China, I always get someone say "we can't trust China's numbers".  And, can we trust USA or UK's?  Both have fudged their numbers in some way.  I'm actually not talking about numbers but rather HOW they have managed their containment of coronavirus cases.  And they have managed to succeed with a population of BILLIONS.  I think if they were allowing it to run rampart we would know about it, hey?

The US and UK have not fudged their numbers. And if China's numbers aren't true (which they are probably not true) we can't know how they managed the virus. Its not possible to know how they managed it because they've been hiding their information and punishing doctors since January. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Bob

[hatcheckgirl]

13 minutes ago, Bob said:

The US and UK have not fudged their numbers

I'll just leave that for others to decide.  Again, putting numbers aside.......how has it been managed? I quoted Reuters above for a reason. To me it looks like they are doing what is expected. They are managing it before it gets out of control. I look at it from that angle.

Edited November 3, 2020 by hatcheckgirl

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

I'll just leave that for others to decide.  Again, putting numbers aside.......how has it been managed?  I look at it from that angle.

I don't know. That's why numbers matter so we can know how its been handled. Perhaps if they weren't censoring information they don't like, we would trust them. 

[hatcheckgirl]

I will respect your view, but there is also some truth to what this Lancet article is saying:

 

According to a July survey by the Pew Research Center, two-thirds of Americans believe that China has done a bad job dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic. It is clearly not an opinion shared by WHO. In a press conference in September, Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme, offered “deepest congratulations...to the front-line health workers in China and the population who worked together tirelessly to bring the disease to this very low level”.

 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30800-8/fulltext

 

Please don't just respond before reading it.  The title of the article from The Lancet is China's successful control of COVID-19.  It explains why China has had a better handle on this pandemic, even with their lack of transparency and other issues being the type of government they are.

[WilliamChew]

In our zoom breakout room, we were with a sister who had to go back to work in the office in Singapore's city center area.

 

They have to wear masks while working. A few days ago, the health ministry checked on them and cautioned them to put on their masks as some were caught not wearing them. 3 hours later, the health ministry officials checked the CCTV and caught them not wearing masks. The company was fined. So everyone is now cautious about wearing masks.

 

She showed us the rashes around the chin area due to mask wearing.

 

Personally I'm worried too of not wearing a mask as I can get fined US$220 for the first offence. The authorities are strict in enforcing mask wearing and social distancing.

Edited November 3, 2020 by WilliamChew

[WilliamChew]

11 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

 https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30800-8/fulltext

I like this quote from the Lancet article:

 

In August, Wuhan hosted an enormous pool party. There were objections from some foreign media outlets. The state-owned Global Times was unapologetic.

 

It suggested that the event stood as “a reminder to countries grappling with the virus that strict preventive measures have a payback”.

 

The newspaper quoted a local resident who back in April had feared he might be bankrupted by the pandemic. “There weren't even many local people, not to mention tourists. But now my business is blooming with the city having fully recovered”, he said.

[Tortuga]

I apologise for being off-topic but isn't there a WT article that reminded us to  not believe everything we hear about other countries? I need help finding the article but I remember that it reminded us about not forming opinions about what other countries do or don't do because the local media has convinced us the foreign country is not trustworthy. Please share the article if you find it.

[blue-jay]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

The US and UK have not fudged their numbers. And if China's numbers aren't true

Whether "fudged" or not, the numbers aren't accurate.

In my area there was a certain pharmacy that was doing covid testing. Quite a few people reported that they went there, filled out the papers, but left before actually getting tested. A few days later they received a phone call telling them they tested positive. 

My husband knows someone from work that had to go back and get tested six times until he finally tested negative. All six times count as new cases!

Things like that show that the numbers in US aren't accurate. 

[Bob]

1 hour ago, blue-jay said:

Whether "fudged" or not, the numbers aren't accurate.

In my area there was a certain pharmacy that was doing covid testing. Quite a few people reported that they went there, filled out the papers, but left before actually getting tested. A few days later they received a phone call telling them they tested positive. 

My husband knows someone from work that had to go back and get tested six times until he finally tested negative. All six times count as new cases!

Things like that show that the numbers in US aren't accurate. 

Well, there is a HUGE difference between the numbers being "inaccurate" and "fudged" (or deliberately tampered with). I am not speaking about the former with China, but the latter. 

 

The US Gov't, unlike the Chinese Gov't, isn't actively censoring information. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by Bob