Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[New World Explorer]

11 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I've literally never heard of them before. Someone sent me a different article, which I posted, but I noticed it was very rude to the former President so I tried to find an article that was less inflammatory before I ran out of time to edit. Next time I'll wait until it's on a mainstream site before bothering. Sorry, everyone. If the moderators want to remove it, that's ok.

I love your attitude about it, well done! 

[Shawnster]

42 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

I've literally never heard of them before. Someone sent me a different article, which I posted, but I noticed it was very rude to the former President so I tried to find an article that was less inflammatory before I ran out of time to edit. Next time I'll wait until it's on a mainstream site before bothering. Sorry, everyone. If the moderators want to remove it, that's ok.

 

 

We are just going to have to wait and see how this plays out. Right now it seems like the story might be pretty new/early. Let's wait and see if mainstream media picks this up. 

 

It's clear from the way this article is worded that the website has a strong lean to the right. The sensationalized language blurs the line between jounalism and commentary. That doesn't mean the story is fabricated. It just means it's presenting a spin. 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

11 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

 

We are just going to have to wait and see how this plays out. Right now it seems like the story might be pretty new/early. Let's wait and see if mainstream media picks this up. 

 

It's clear from the way this article is worded that the website has a strong lean to the right. The sensationalized language blurs the line between jounalism and commentary. That doesn't mean the story is fabricated. It just means it's presenting a spin. 

 

 

Stories about “autopen” circulate back to 2012 and nothing ever eventuates from them. 

[Cool.As.Ice]

Whichever way this saga ends, however, or whatever…may the name of Jehovah continue to be blessed, and His will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Let his Kingdom come! (Matthew 6:10)

 

 

 

 

[Michał]

 
Are the Polish friends OK?  

Oh, thank you for posting this, it’s so funny I learn about Polish news from a forum ftom an opposite of Atlantic

We’re safe, nothing changed actually. You know, how it is, politician say one thing one day, the other thing the other day and then they do nothing. Political landscape is fractured in Poland as well. The PM gabinet is run by a coalition of 3 parties whose main uniting factor is hatred to the former gabinet. So, they did almost nothing ftom their preelection promises.

Anyway, ftom what I heard they would like to train 500,000 k men to fight. It is for volunteers only.

Once again, everything is okay, don’t worry. If anything happens Jehovah gets us.


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[Dages]

31 minutes ago, Michał said:

Oh, thank you for posting this, it’s so funny I learn about Polish news from a forum ftom an opposite of Atlantic

We’re safe, nothing changed actually. You know, how it is, politician say one thing one day, the other thing the other day and then they do nothing. Political landscape is fractured in Poland as well. The PM gabinet is run by a coalition of 3 parties whose main uniting factor is hatred to the former gabinet. So, they did almost nothing ftom their preelection promises.

Anyway, ftom what I heard they would like to train 500,000 k men to fight. It is for volunteers only.

Once again, everything is okay, don’t worry. If anything happens Jehovah gets us.


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Thank you Michał

[Richie]

On 3/8/2025 at 1:48 AM, Sofia said:

What do I think?
That the king of the North and the king of the South will unite And together they will:

1- strengthen the UN

2- promote world peace

3- destroy religion

4- attack God's people

5- together they will go to Armageddon but always with North American supremacy

 

we may never see the KOTN xx KOTS ever again…

@Richie Isn’t that what you have calculated as well?

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1- Rev 17:13,17 - 10 kings mean the WHOLE nations

2- only peace if both kings are not in conflict. Daniel didn’t say that one should win and beat the other. If that s not fortold then why not work together again?

3 - 10 kings and the beast share one thought. So they will have the same propose working together for the same goal. All in agreement 

4 - Ezequiel 38 talks about a coalition of nations from all corners of the world. All

5- the political beasts will be destroyed together 
 

if im wrong time will tell

interesting times we are living in 💪💪☺️

Sorry for a late reply Sofia. As I raised question long time back, Ezekiel 38 tells us that in the final part of the years, Gog will attack God's people. But, it is noticeable that prior to attack, Gog is coming from the remotest part of the north. Along with him is a large army clothed with high weapons. Gog is coalition of nations also quoted a head chieftain. These Biblical descriptions caughty my attention that nowadays become clearer to me. Regarding US/UK, they will remain superior until the end but there is no indication that US will contend with Russia until the end except for its Russia's ally like China and Iran. So far, most of them play different roles. 

[trottigy]

7 hours ago, Richie said:

Sorry for a late reply Sofia. As I raised question long time back, Ezekiel 38 tells us that in the final part of the years, Gog will attack God's people. But, it is noticeable that prior to attack, Gog is coming from the remotest part of the north. Along with him is a large army clothed with high weapons. Gog is coalition of nations also quoted a head chieftain. These Biblical descriptions caughty my attention that nowadays become clearer to me. Regarding US/UK, they will remain superior until the end but there is no indication that US will contend with Russia until the end except for its Russia's ally like China and Iran. So far, most of them play different roles. 

 

The key to remember of Gog's attack is WHEN it happens. It doesn't happen at the beginning of the Great Tribulation (GT), but at the END.

 

Why is that significant? At the beginning of the GT, the world’s government will give the UN full authority. The UN uses that authority to attack BtG and get rid of her (Rev 17 says, “completely burn her with fire”) But, that leaves in place the UN with “full authority”. Then after a pause of some undetermined length, with that authority still in place (as the UN is a coalition of nations), they go after God’s people. That is the attack by Gog.

 

There is no more “seeing that coming” than there is in seeing the governments give authority to the UN. As once they do that just before the GT – everything will be in place for the attack by Gog.

[Richie]

8 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

The key to remember of Gog's attack is WHEN it happens. It doesn't happen at the beginning of the Great Tribulation (GT), but at the END.

 

Why is that significant? At the beginning of the GT, the world’s government will give the UN full authority. The UN uses that authority to attack BtG and get rid of her (Rev 17 says, “completely burn her with fire”) But, that leaves in place the UN with “full authority”. Then after a pause of some undetermined length, with that authority still in place (as the UN is a coalition of nations), they go after God’s people. That is the attack by Gog.

 

There is no more “seeing that coming” than there is in seeing the governments give authority to the UN. As once they do that just before the GT – everything will be in place for the attack by Gog.

I believe Ezekiel 38 will say something other than on its final attack in God's people in the final part of the last days. This is something special to me. When something in between will go along and clarified, this will become new to us and a something relevant. Let see... 

[Ahuvah]

2 hours ago, Richie said:

I believe Ezekiel 38 will say something other than on its final attack in God's people in the final part of the last days. This is something special to me. When something in between will go along and clarified, this will become new to us and a something relevant. Let see... 

The AM clarified it, I thought or am I missing something?  I'm not sure I get you brother. 

[Ahuvah]

11 hours ago, trottigy said:

There is no more “seeing that coming” than there is in seeing the governments give authority to the UN. As once they do that just before the GT – everything will be in place for the attack by Gog.

Exactly! The giving power to the UN by the 10 kings is neither gradual or can be foreseen, it is sudden because it's an act of God.

 

What has being set in place decades ago, is the gradualism of religion losing its grasp on mankind, while there are still pockets in the earth where religion has a strong influence, the foundations have been laid for the UN to turn on religion. 

 

But the way  the UN is empowered by the 10 Kings giving it teeth for an undetermined time of 'one hour' is the new thought ... and we are told not to be complacent thinking these events are far off, or other things have to occur beforehand, because as Brother Jackson said, that can be 'dangerous thinking.'

Edited March 11 by Ahuvah

[Sofia]

Today at UN:

https://media.un.org/unifeed/en/asset/d334/d3349237

[ChrisW]

16 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Today at UN:

https://media.un.org/unifeed/en/asset/d334/d3349237

If I didn't have Jehovah and the hope, this organization would frustrate me to no end.  I think it's all about the money and who isn't paying their dues.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161046?_gl=1*174j2mz*_ga*NzY4Mzc5NjA2LjE3Mjg1ODMwMTQ.*_ga_TK9BQL5X7Z*MTc0MTgwOTczNS40NC4xLjE3NDE4MDk3NjYuMC4wLjA.

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, ChrisW said:

If I didn't have Jehovah and the hope, this organization would frustrate me to no end.  I think it's all about the money and who isn't paying their dues.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/03/1161046?_gl=1*174j2mz*_ga*NzY4Mzc5NjA2LjE3Mjg1ODMwMTQ.*_ga_TK9BQL5X7Z*MTc0MTgwOTczNS40NC4xLjE3NDE4MDk3NjYuMC4wLjA.

Of course

that s where it has to start. 
without money UN doesn’t work. The rest comes afterwards

Guterres said that the global body also needs "a strategic review of the deeper and structural changes and the realignment of programs in the United Nations system".

Emphasising the relevance of the organization in today's world, António Guterres stressed the primary goal of the initiative: "The need is great and the goal is clear: an even stronger and more effective United Nations Organization, which is useful to people and is in tune with the 21st century."

Edited March 12 by Sofia

[Dustparticle]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

Of course

that s where it has to start. 
without money UN doesn’t work. The rest comes afterwards

Guterres said that the global body also needs "a strategic review of the deeper and structural changes and the realignment of programs in the United Nations system".

Emphasising the relevance of the organization in today's world, António Guterres stressed the primary goal of the initiative: "The need is great and the goal is clear: an even stronger and more effective United Nations Organization, which is useful to people and is in tune with the 21st century."

 

 They may have that agenda, yet Jehovah will have his own agenda when he deals with the UN. Revelation 17:17

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Sofia said:

Of course

that s where it has to start. 
without money UN doesn’t work. The rest comes afterwards

Guterres said that the global body also needs "a strategic review of the deeper and structural changes and the realignment of programs in the United Nations system".

Emphasising the relevance of the organization in today's world, António Guterres stressed the primary goal of the initiative: "The need is great and the goal is clear: an even stronger and more effective United Nations Organization, which is useful to people and is in tune with the 21st century."

Remember we can't see Rev 17:17 coming ... the teeth for the UN comes suddenly ... they are talking all the time about being stronger and more effective without the actions, it will take an act from God. As Bro Jackson said, there is no point looking for it. 

 

Also, the point about it being ten kings, which is more than the usual 7 ... means it will involve more than the usual ones we are focused on. So difficult not to read things into things though isn't it?

[LeolaRootStew]

5 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

Remember we can't see Rev 17:17 coming ... the teeth for the UN comes suddenly ... they are talking all the time about being stronger and more effective without the actions, it will take an act from God. As Bro Jackson said, there is no point looking for it. 

 

Also, the point about it being ten kings, which is more than the usual 7 ... means it will involve more than the usual ones we are focused on. So difficult not to read things into things though isn't it?

 

The attack on Jerusalem was sudden, but it also had a buildup for years. The two are not mutually exclusive. It's possible we will see the framework for the UN getting power long before Jehovah puts it into their hearts.

[Ahuvah]

23 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

The attack on Jerusalem was sudden, but it also had a buildup for years. The two are not mutually exclusive. It's possible we will see the framework for the UN getting power long before Jehovah puts it into their hearts.

To be clear, you are right about the attack on BBTG ... there's been a build up for years we have known that is coming and can see it.

 

What I'm talking about is Rev 17:17 ... the one thought, we won't see coming as it's an Act of God. We won't see that until it happens. Brother Jackson said we can't look for it because we won't see it as it's an Act of God. Which is the UN finding their teeth due to empowerment by the ten kings.

Edited March 12 by Ahuvah

[LeolaRootStew]

2 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

To be clear, you are right about the attack on BBTG ... there's been a build up for years we have known that is coming and can see it.

 

What I'm talking about is Rev 17:17 ... the one thought, we won't see coming as it's an Act of God. We won't see that until it happens. Brother Jackson said we can't look for it because we won't see it as it's an Act of God. Which is the UN finding their teeth due to empowerment by the ten kings.

 

Sure, but they can adjust the framework of the UN in the meantime so when the one thought enters their heads it's just like turning on a light switch - all the pieces are already in place, they just needed a reason to act.

[Ahuvah]

23 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

Sure, but they can adjust the framework of the UN in the meantime so when the one thought enters their heads it's just like turning on a light switch - all the pieces are already in place, they just needed a reason to act.

I see that being an option from some perspectives... but when they tell us that we can't look for it ....  which was in the AM, then that seems a contradiction to me.

[LeolaRootStew]

42 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

I see that being an option from some perspectives... but when they tell us that we can't look for it ....  which was in the AM, then that seems a contradiction to me.

 

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But now we’re back to our subject again, you see, gradually things happen. So we might say, ‘Well, yes, gradually, I see Babylon the Great is losing influence in some places —maybe not yet—’ But don’t expect that you’ll see governments gradually wanting to give over power. They don’t want to do that. It takes an

act of God! Jehovah will “put it into their hearts.” This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the great tribulation will start —a sudden change, not something that happens gradually.

 

All I see in the transcript is that the one thought itself would be sudden, but that doesn't mean some of the framework can't exist ahead of time.

[Ahuvah]

13 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

 

All I see in the transcript is that the one thought itself would be sudden, but that doesn't mean some of the framework can't exist ahead of time.

He said it won't happen gradually, putting up framework is gradual. 

[LeolaRootStew]

45 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

He said it won't happen gradually, putting up framework is gradual. 

 

the one thought would be sudden. the framework isn't the one thought. they might have entirely different justifications for putting in place systems that will be used when they have the one thought.

[Ahuvah]

5 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

the one thought would be sudden. the framework isn't the one thought. they might have entirely different justifications for putting in place systems that will be used when they have the one thought.

I shall ponder my sister. ❤️ 

[LeslieDean]

It is 3am here. I just woke up and turned immediately to this post. So strange to awaken clear minded and rested. But what I wanted to say is the last half dozen comments triggered a conversation that I was listening to between  brothers at my old KH in Beverly Hills CA. It was around the year 2001, still new to the truth. I didn't fully understand their words but found it fascinating. One said that everything was already needed to attack religion was already set in place. All 'we' were waiting for was Jehovah to flip the switch in the leaders heart to attack. It all makes sense to me now. It made me think of a home being constructed. Lots of phases. Dig foundation, pour foundation, put up walls, install insulation, install  plumbing,, electric , roof, finishing touches.  Always delays -you never know where they will come from but you definitely know their coming, Then the moment arrives and it looks like everything is a go and boom no lights. Electrician called to check wiring. No problem noted. Then someone finally thinks to check the light bulb and climbs up ladder giving the bulb a slight twist and sudden light floods the room. It was there all along. They just didn't know it. One simple unexpected thing sheds immediate light on everything. That scenario of mine helps me see the situation. All laws are in place to act. So if that is the fact then could we not be seeing the electrician searching the problem they don't even know the answer to,  then out of frustration and last chance effort BOOM let there be light! 

 

 

On 3/5/2025 at 6:52 PM, Ahuvah said:

I think, when we sail on an ocean or sea, we are aware of the potential agitation that can form, but you get many peaceful calm spots, that is not now. Agitation is everywhere you turn. I pray that those lost to Jehovah see and feel this, and know their way home.