Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Sofia]

52 minutes ago, Doug said:

 

But I'm looking at the news and I have to say this Trump could be the right person at the right time, for Jehovah's purposes.  After nearly three full years of war between Russia and Ukraine, fatigue is taking a toll.

Of course we know it’s Jehovah who gives the push at the right moment 

But humans won’t be able to see that

only true Christians will.

Humans will see human Governments making their decisions.

like Cyrus the Persian. Jehovah used him. But at the eyes of the World he was just a great conqueror and king.

 

This is how I view it. 
Things will happen faster than we think 

I like to keep updated to the news. Even so I’m sure I will be surprised too. 

[Richie]

Cyrus the king and Alexander the Great are the good example why we are looking for the persons who tend to duplicate the actions according to what are already written. Regarding the words from the Book of Revelation, is a bit different story. Books like Daniel and Ezekiel have descriptions that somehow can help us who is who... 

[SheyZ]

45 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Of course we know it’s Jehovah who gives the push at the right moment 

But humans won’t be able to see that

only true Christians will.

Humans will see human Governments making their decisions.

like Cyrus the Persian. Jehovah used him. But at the eyes of the World he was just a great conqueror and king.

 

This is how I view it. 
Things will happen faster than we think 

I like to keep updated to the news. Even so I’m sure I will be surprised too. 

 

[SheyZ]

4 hours ago, Richie said:

Cyrus the king and Alexander the Great are the good example why we are looking for the persons who tend to duplicate the actions according to what are already written. Regarding the words from the Book of Revelation, is a bit different story. Books like Daniel and Ezekiel have descriptions that somehow can help us who is who... 

You are right! Nothing in the Bible points to a single person that would move this world to its end...

Jehovah is going to put it into the minds of all the governmental officials to give the UN their ok to destroy BBG.

[Ahuvah]

40 minutes ago, SheyZ said:

You are right! Nothing in the Bible points to a single person that would move this world to its end...

Jehovah is going to put it into the minds of all the governmental officials to give the UN their ok to destroy BBG.

And that's the difference.  Previously with Cyrus and Alexander they were named as human tools to fulfill prophecy. This time entities, not individuals are named. First the nations handing over power after being moved by Jehovah, then UN destroying false religion.  There are no individuals foretold here. 

 

Doesn't mean Mr Trump won't do anything interesting or stir up trouble for us, but he's not a key player in this prophecy.... entities are.

[Richie]

12 minutes ago, Ahuvah said:

And that's the difference.  Previously with Cyrus and Alexander they were named as human tools to fulfill prophecy. This time entities, not individuals are named. First the nations handing over power after being moved by Jehovah, then UN destroying false religion.  There are no individuals foretold here. 

 

Doesn't mean Mr Trump won't do anything interesting or stir up trouble for us, but he's not a key player in this prophecy.... entities are.

Only Cyrus the king named in the book of Isaiah. Alexander never ever mentioned only after he was duplicate what is written. Just to tell some, Ceasars of Roman world had made the words fulfilled but their names never ever quoted in the Bible. Their actions were becoming the indicators of fulfillment. In modern times, we have KOTN quoted because of its descriptive action againts Jehovah’s people... 

[Shawnster]

13 hours ago, Sofia said:

Humans will see human Governments making their decisions.

like Cyrus the Persian. Jehovah used him. But at the eyes of the World he was just a great conqueror and king.

 

13 hours ago, Richie said:

Regarding the words from the Book of Revelation, is a bit different story. Books like Daniel and Ezekiel have descriptions that somehow can help us who is who... 

 

Let's also look at WWI to see how a major world event supported by Bible prophecy came completely and unexpectedly out of the blue. Everything was fine until Archduke Ferdinand was assassinated. 

 

Suppose that Christians hypothetically in 1814 clearly understood Bible prophecy and had faith a global war was going to start in 1914.  Would they have been able to read political events, follow elections and coronations and see just how the stage was being set for a world war? No. Until the assassination and the choices made at that moment there was no sign, no hint, no news report that suggested such a momentous change.  There were no war mongers in power. No nasty world leaders that seemed full of hate. 

 

*** w92 5/1 p. 4 1914—The Year That Shocked the World ***

“The spring and summer of 1914 were marked in Europe by an exceptional tranquillity,” wrote British statesman Winston Churchill. People were generally optimistic about the future. “The world of 1914 was full of hope and promise,” said Louis Snyder in his book World War I.

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1992320&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=10

 

*** re chap. 18 p. 106 par. 6 Earthquakes in the Lord’s Day ***

 In 1980 statesman Harold Macmillan, reflecting on the peaceful start of the 20th century, said: “Everything would get better and better. This was the world I was born in. . . . Suddenly, unexpectedly, one morning in 1914 the whole thing came to an end.”

https://www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=1101988018&srctype=wol&srcid=share&par=9

 

Suddenly. Unexpectedly. That's my understanding of how Jehovah's one thought and the start of the great tribulation is going to be. There will not be any signs or events or politicians that we will point to and see how Jehovah will maneuver them. We won't see how the stage will be set. 

 

This topic is 329 pages of people trying to see how Jehovah is or will maneuver kings and nations into doing his will.  The thing is, Jehovah does not need any previous set up by world powers or UN resolutions or brink of nuclear war or Trump or Putin or any politician to be in place before giving them his one thought. Jehovah could act suddenly and unexpectedly. 

 

That's how I see it. 

[Ahuvah]

10 hours ago, Richie said:

Only Cyrus the king named in the book of Isaiah. Alexander never ever mentioned only after he was duplicate what is written. Just to tell some, Ceasars of Roman world had made the words fulfilled but their names never ever quoted in the Bible. Their actions were becoming the indicators of fulfillment. In modern times, we have KOTN quoted because of its descriptive action againts Jehovah’s people... 

Alexander was not named correct, but he featured as an individual in prophecy.  Ceasars were named after the fact, any Ceasar could have fulfilled that prophecy and again prophecy pointed forward to single events performed by individuals as part of a chain of events. The P&S and GT do not foretell events surrounding single individuals,  but rather a collective.