Gunman opens fire in German city of Hamburg - Brothers and Sisters Wounded

[YayaMichelle]

On 3/13/2023 at 2:29 PM, runner92 said:

 

 

The reality is these types of shootings can happen anywhere. You can go to the grocery store and not make it back home. It's happened at many schools. Several witnesses have been killed in these shootings here in the US. 

Yes but those disgruntled folks who are specifically targeting JWs (like the Hamburg perpetrator) will not go to the grocery stores nor schools. They know exactly where to go - the Kingdom Hall - and evening is usually criminals favorite timeline due to less visibility 

On 3/13/2023 at 2:29 PM, runner92 said:

 

On 3/13/2023 at 2:29 PM, runner92 said:

 

Edited March 16, 2023 by YayaMichelle

[BLEmom]

Our five minute local needs part was on preparing for persecution. The main point was strengthening our bond with Jehovah. The 4 sub points were to believe Jehovah will not abandon us, pray regularly now, read the Bible daily and attend meetings.  The point was brought out that if we have a hard time attending meetings now, how will we fare when we are risking our lives to meet with our brothers when under ban?  
I will add the point that if we re willing to risk our lives when under ban, shouldn’t we be willing to meet together now despite the fear of an isolated event such as a shooting?   

[Percy]

On 3/14/2023 at 3:41 PM, New World Explorer said:

Could someone send me above video on WhatsApp? Please dm me if you can. It would be highly appreciated 😊Thank you 

Right click the video and there is an option to download.

Percy

[Skye]

A letter was read at the meetings tonight: a funeral program will take place in Hamburg on the last weekend of March to provide comfort to all affected by last Thursday’s incident. It will be attended by a member of the GB, WHQ reps, and Branch Committee members.

 

No further details given on the venue, or how to join virtually.

 

[Sofia]

17 minutes ago, Skye said:

A letter was read at the meetings tonight: a funeral program will take place in Hamburg on the last weekend of March to provide comfort to all affected by last Thursday’s incident. It will be attended by a member of the GB, WHQ reps, and Branch Committee members.

 

No further details given on the venue, or how to join virtually.

 

I wish I could assist via zoom 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💖💖💖

this is so comforting 💖

shows how deeply Jehovah cares for each one of us 

 

[Skye]

An ecumenical memorial is also planned by the Archdiocese of Hamburg, the Protestant North Church and the Working Group of Christian Churches in Hamburg. 
 

https://www-nordkirche-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/nachrichten-detail/nachricht/oekumenischer-gedenkgottesdienst-nach-amoktat-von-hamburg?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

 

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The memorial service is aimed at all those who wish to express their grief. Jehovah's Witnesses are invited to the event. However, this is not intended to replace the community's own funeral service

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“I mourn with the community of Jehovah's Witnesses for the people who have been killed, even though I do not share their faith. The inhuman act of violence last Thursday shook the whole of Hamburg and left many people stunned and sad. In this situation, it is good to stand together, to express our concerns and, above all, to pray together and across denominations for peace and peaceful coexistence," says Archbishop Dr. Stefan Hess.

Whilst the article is very respectful, I do not expect that Jehovah’s Witnesses will attend, but I will pray intensely that our absence at their memorial will not become the next topic of debate.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Skye

[Percy]

4 hours ago, Skye said:

Whilst the article is very respectful, I do not expect that Jehovah’s Witnesses will attend, but I will pray intensely that our absence at their memorial will not become the next topic of debate.

Sigh, how true. Ecumenical invite immediately comes to mind, which we reject. You might even find that a few apostates will go to enhance their position.

[Just another lowly sheep]

2 hours ago, Percy said:

Sigh, how true. Ecumenical invite immediately comes to mind, which we reject. You might even find that a few apostates will go to enhance their position.

Never fear, that thing is this Sunday the 19th, but the Witness memorial service the following weekend will likely put that paltry Christendom thing to shame, and bring tremendous praise & glory to Jehovah and his people!! I look forward to seeing the results the weekend of March 25th & 26th!

Edited March 17, 2023 by Sharkfin182

[carlos]

8 hours ago, Sharkfin182 said:

the Witness memorial service the following weekend will likely put that paltry Christendom thing to shame, and bring tremendous praise & glory to Jehovah and his people!!

 

Well, the initiative by those churches is noble. They are trying to be kind and comfort us in the only way they know. But you are right that it can't compare to our funeral program which will explain why these things happen and the scriptural hope of resurrection.

[Sepie93]

 
Well, the initiative by those churches is noble. They are trying to be kind and comfort us in the only way they know. But you are right that it can't compare to our funeral program which will explain why these things happen and the scriptural hope of resurrection.

Yeah that was exactly the same I thought.. Actually, it is very nice some people want to take this initiative.

I hope they will hear also some things from the memorial service of our brothers, so Jehovah can draw those rightly disposed to Him

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[Bluebell]

All our brothers and sisters who are in hospital from the shooting in Hamburg are all out of danger....and no one needed to have a blood transfusion....so the issue didn't arise...

[Just another lowly sheep]

4 hours ago, Sepie93 said:

Yeah that was exactly the same I thought.. Actually, it is very nice some people want to take this initiative.

I hope they will hear also some things from the memorial service of our brothers, so Jehovah can draw those rightly disposed to Him

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5 hours ago, carlos said:

 

Well, the initiative by those churches is noble. They are trying to be kind and comfort us in the only way they know. But you are right that it can't compare to our funeral program which will explain why these things happen and the scriptural hope of resurrection.

Sorry if I sounded a little snarky. I have an aversion to these false religious leaders and their high & mighty titles:

 

“Bishop Kirsten Fehrs and Archbishop Dr. Stefan Hess praying for the victims, the injured, their relatives and for the helpers, rescuers, police officers and firefighters during the commemoration.”

 

“Praying for the victims”, which can only mean the “souls” of the dead.

 

I’m always skeptical of their “sincerity”, I believe they do things to been seen as admirable and get the plaudits of men. I only posted here because it’s not a public forum, I wouldn’t publicly express my true views of pious religious leaders. I’m not the Judge however, Jehovah & Jesus will make those estimations of the hearts of false religious “leaders” soon enough.  

Edited March 17, 2023 by Sharkfin182

[student]

On 3/14/2023 at 1:15 PM, Woanders said:

someone ask questions about disfellowshipping

Only to emphasize this point: He was not disfellowshipped. He left JW at his own request after a few months.

Edited March 17, 2023 by student

[Friends just call me Ross]

2 hours ago, Sharkfin182 said:

I only posted here because it’s not a public forum, I wouldn’t publicly express my true views of pious religious leaders. 

 

This forum is publicly visible.

 

[Just another lowly sheep]

47 minutes ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

 

This forum is publicly visible.

 

Oh, I was not aware of that, thank you for letting me know!
 

( personally, I’m rightfully skeptical of the “sincerity” of PAID clergymen with fancy titles who teach falsehoods )

 

BUT, I can appreciate anyone’s words of sympathy and concern for the horrible tragedy committed against Jehovah’s Witnesses. 

 

If it had happened to any other people, we also would feel sympathy. We don’t wish such evil acts upon anyone, no matter who they are, not even those who persecute us.

Edited March 17, 2023 by Sharkfin182

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

This forum is publicly visible.

That is one of the reasons why we encourage everyone to think before they speak. 

[Just another lowly sheep]

10 minutes ago, Tortuga said:

That is one of the reasons why we encourage everyone to think before they speak. 

Certainly good advice in ALL settings!

[Amygdala]

9 hours ago, student said:

Only to emphasize this point: He was not disfellowshipped. He left JW at his own request after a few months.

 

Yes, and to be specific, this German news report confirms the following: (translated from German)

 

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/hamburg/Amoklauf-in-Hamburg-Alle-Schwerverletzten-ausser-Lebensgefahr,amoklaufhamburg102.html

 

 

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He was a member of Jehovah's Witnesses for only a few months in total before leaving the community at his own request a year and a half ago, Tsifidaris said. For tactical reasons, a lot of information is still being withheld by the authorities. Thus, the question of the motive remains unanswered.

 

A condolence book is being set up by city hall.

Edited March 18, 2023 by Woanders

[Amygdala]

At the end of the interview above with our spokesman, he happily announced that all of those who were seriously injured are now out of life threatening conditions. ❤️

[Marius68]

Hi, there, everyone. 

I just found this article urging the whole German society to show restraint and care in talking and writing about JW in the context of these horrible murders.

As it is written in German, it needs to be translated in English or other languages.

Have a nice day.

https://www.stiftung-denkmal.de/aktuelles/gemeinsame-stellungnahme-amoktat-in-hamburg-verlangt-sorgfalt-der-berichterstattung-und-solidaritaet-mit-den-angegriffenen-zeugen-jehovas/

[Sheep]

9 hours ago, Marius68 said:

Hi, there, everyone. 

I just found this article urging the whole German society to show restraint and care in talking and writing about JW in the context of these horrible murders.

As it is written in German, it needs to be translated in English or other languages.

Have a nice day.

https://www.stiftung-denkmal.de/aktuelles/gemeinsame-stellungnahme-amoktat-in-hamburg-verlangt-sorgfalt-der-berichterstattung-und-solidaritaet-mit-den-angegriffenen-zeugen-jehovas/

 

Congratulations on your first post to JWTalk! Welcome Brother Marius!

 

As for the article you posted, here is the GoogleTranslate version. Very positive article! Thank you for posting it.

[Sofia]

12 hours ago, Marius68 said:

Hi, there, everyone. 

I just found this article urging the whole German society to show restraint and care in talking and writing about JW in the context of these horrible murders.

As it is written in German, it needs to be translated in English or other languages.

Have a nice day.

https://www.stiftung-denkmal.de/aktuelles/gemeinsame-stellungnahme-amoktat-in-hamburg-verlangt-sorgfalt-der-berichterstattung-und-solidaritaet-mit-den-angegriffenen-zeugen-jehovas/

Wellcome dear brother! We are happy to have you here  Warm greetings 

[Percy]

7 hours ago, Sheep said:

As for the article you posted, here is the GoogleTranslate version. Very positive article! Thank you for posting it.

There is an english button top right.

[Sheep]

1 hour ago, Percy said:

There is an english button top right.

I didn't notice that.

[Skye]

https://www-ndr-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/hamburg/Nach-Amoklauf-in-Hamburg-Heute-oekumenische-Gedenkfeier,amoklauf170.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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Jehovah's Witnesses value solidarity

The spokesman for the faith community has since said that he appreciates the solidarity and sympathy expressed through this commemoration. "However, there will be no official participation by Jehovah's Witnesses. We want to choose our own form," said the regional representative.
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"The community appreciates this form of sympathy, but will soon be holding its own funeral service in order to do justice to the wishes of the relatives and, above all, to commemorate the victims……The municipality is very grateful to the city of Hamburg, which is supporting them with the preparatory work, says Tsifidaris. More details would come in the coming days: "We will also find ways [for the broader public to participate.]”

 

Edited March 19, 2023 by Skye