DISCUSS COURT CASE HERE JW.org - Jehovah’s Witnesses Mobilize Global Response to Threat of Ban in Russia

[GeordieGirl]

Great opening question. Puts the prosecution on the back foot at the beginning. 

[Bluebell]

 the Federal List of Extremist Materials (FSEM) 

[Chris7]

Thank you Samira.

Edited April 7, 2017 by Chris7

[Dages]

10:10

Court seeks to understand at what rate law based Ministry of Justice, claiming that the local religious organization (MPO) are "structural units" of the Administrative Center. The Ministry of Justice considers that it is logical, because the organization read the same books, and linked. Court asks how it is in this case meets the requirements of legal certainty. Does this not violate the European Convention enshrined the right to freedom of religion? After all, it was denied in bringing 395 companies to participate in the case as a respondent. Questions remain without clear answers.

[tekmantwo]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:31 AM, Stormswift said:

Pardon my ignorance - FSEM are acronyms for what?

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I don't recall exactly but it's the list of banned materials. 

[Beggar for the Spirit]

oops, already posted, sorry

Edited April 7, 2017 by Beggar for the Spirit

[New World Explorer]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:31 AM, Stormswift said:

FSEM

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I think it has to do with the items included on the "forbidden" list

Banned in Russia

Can we have the link for the site ? Please

 

Edited April 7, 2017 by Gregexplore

[New World Explorer]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:34 AM, Dages said:

Does this not violate the European Convention enshrined the right to freedom of religion?

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Boy ..o boy ..this is going well so far.

 

[Bluebell]

https://jw-russia.org/pages/17040614-132.html

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://jw-russia.org/pages/17040614-132.html#0406

[New World Explorer]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:40 AM, Samira said:

https://jw-russia.org/pages/17040614-132.html

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://jw-russia.org/pages/17040614-132.html#0406

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Thank you madam.

[molnarj]

Questions remain without distinct answers.

 

I like that!

[Bluebell]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:42 AM, Gregexplore said:

Thank you madam.

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Yes Sir

[Friends just call me Ross]

Oh...to be a fly on the wall of that courtroom.

[molnarj]

10.20

 

The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice, on the basis of which they claim that the financing of the LRO by the Management Center is precisely the financing of "extremist activity"? What is objectively proved? If nothing, then what are the claims of the Ministry of Justice based on?

 

[New World Explorer]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:43 AM, molnarj said:

Questions remain without distinct answers.

 

I like that!

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Me too... I am cautiously optimistic ... (unless this is just a show for media )

[Beggar for the Spirit]

10:10

Court seeks to understand at what rate law based Ministry of Justice, claiming that the local religious organization (MPO) are "structural units" of the Administrative Center. The Ministry of Justice considers that it is logical, because the organization read the same books, and linked. Court asks how it is in this case meets the requirements of legal certainty. Does this not violate the European Convention enshrined the right to freedom of religion? After all, it was denied in bringing 395 companies to participate in the case as a respondent. Questions remain without clear answers.

 

A layman's summary:

So the Ministry of Justice is claiming that our 395 congregations are "structural units" - or directly connected to the "Administrative Center"(Branch/Headquarters) and therefore part of the ban/liquidation.

But our lawyers are asking, "But how can you even consider these 395 connected to the Headquarters/Branch when on WED you refused to allow all 395 to be part of this case in which they are all going to be directly affected if banned and liquidated?"

Edited April 7, 2017 by Beggar for the Spirit

[Bluebell]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:45 AM, molnarj said:

10.20

 

The judge asks the representative of the Ministry of Justice, on the basis of which they claim that the financing of the LRO by the Management Center is precisely the financing of "extremist activity"? What is objectively proved? If nothing, then what are the claims of the Ministry of Justice based on?

 

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He is sooooo good......

[New World Explorer]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:46 AM, Samira said:

then what are the claims of the Ministry of Justice based on?

 

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Greg: on thin air

[Dages]

This is a good start

[Guri]

I like the way the hearing goes  I hope it will stay same way to the end. 

[Ahuvah]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:48 AM, Zacchaeus The Short said:

I like the way the hearing goes  I hope it will stay same way to the end. 

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Thinking that myself, don't want to get too confident.

[Cool Cat]

Well this is going well so far! Things seem to be falling into place quite well.  

[New World Explorer]

  On 4/7/2017 at 7:46 AM, Beggar for the Spirit said:

when on WED you refused to allow all 395 to be part of this case

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Wow! good reasoning.. this is getting interesting.

[Nobody]

Answer the question!!!!

[molnarj]

Maybe Guri can post again what is said in Court. I am actually working.