The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Myew]

Did you know that a single cough or sneeze can fill the entire floor of a building through the ventilation system in as little as around 20 seconds? As someone who suffers from mild mysophobia, I'm not sure why I find it a bit humorous that some people are panicking about this virus. Or rather, I find it funny that I'm not panicking? I dunno. (side note: no, I will not autocorrect mysophobia to homophobia)

 

[Ahuvah]

3 hours ago, Lee49 said:

6 days ago - The new coronavirus has led to tens of thousands of cases of ... that can be transmitted through airborne, droplet or contact transmission.

Coronaviruses are a family of viruses known for containing strains that cause potentially deadly diseases in mammals and birds. In humans they're typically spread via airborne droplets of fluid produced by infected individuals.

https://www.sciencealert.com/coronavirus

Yes ... that is speaking about the coronavirus in general. But up to just recently (since Anniebea's post) I was only aware of it being aerosol. Which means transferred from either contact from an infection person/thing or suspended in the air for a longer period of time in small droplets. Being Airborne is a new thing with this virus - and it is something no-one wanted to happen.

[Ahuvah]

3 hours ago, Myew said:

Or rather, I find it funny that I'm not panicking? I dunno

There's nothing to panic about really ... we can't change what is happening around us - we can though to a degree change/tweak our own environment and reactions to a reasonable degree.

We knew this system was going to break down big time at some stage ... all this is a prelude.

I am seeing the New System clearer and clearer each day ... let's imagine us all being there and welcoming back those who died, are dying and will die in this virus. This horrible stuff is all going to fade away to nothing but distant memories if that very soon.

 

I'm working on presentations that will present comfort to people in a big way.

 

[JennyM]

So whats gonna happen if its airborne?

[Old]

Does not airborne mean that after the carrier droplets evaporate the virus still continues to be a danger? I have not read anything that indicates the virus remains as a contagion after the atomised mosture evaporates.

Any one have references on this?

[Ahuvah]

26 minutes ago, Old said:

Does not airborne mean that after the carrier droplets evaporate the virus still continues to be a danger? I have not read anything that indicates the virus remains as a contagion after the atomised mosture evaporates.

Any one have references on this?

I'm waiting for confirmation too ... i'm wondering if aerosol is being confused with airborne?

 

Here we go ... here's confirmation there is misinformation about it being airborne at this point of time.

The title tends to confirm it's airborne but when you read the details - it's actually aerosol still. They are confusing the two - which could be an English problem maybe?

https://youtu.be/XlBj0lpYM30

 

 

Edited February 14, 2020 by Stormswift

[Dustparticle]

8 hours ago, JennyM said:

So whats gonna happen if its airborne?

We don't want to know.

[Dustparticle]

Here is one report: https://abcnews.go.com/International/china-1716-health-workers-63000-infected-coronavirus/story?id=68982408&cid=clicksource_4380645_4_three_posts_card_hed

[Lee49]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/coronavirus-cdc-robert-redfield-gupta-intv/index.html

"We don't know a lot about this virus," he said. "This virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we will get community-based transmission."

 "When it comes to preventing spread of the virus and learning more about the pathogen, Redfield told Gupta that he thinks asymptomatic transmission of the novel coronavirus is possible and concerning."

 "In other words, Redfield said that an infected person not showing symptoms could still transmit the virus to someone else, based on what he has learned from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention."

[Allabord4Jah]

This could be possible, since everyone is working on weapon's of mass destruction.  Maybe China, had a OOPS moment and it escaped/From the Daily Mail News/Feb 14, 2020

 

China 'appoints its top military bio-warfare expert to take over secretive virus lab in Wuhan', sparking conspiracy theories that coronavirus outbreak is linked to Beijing's army

[SUNRAY]

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876054

 

This caught my attention!😉

[Lee49]

23 minutes ago, SUNRAY said:

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876054

 

This caught my attention!😉

" The company has called on individuals between the ages of 18 and 60 who have been cured to donate their blood and save the lives of others afflicted by the disease."

  How many will die from this form of treatment or will lead to many other infections, once again we are protected from mans medicine that promises a "temporary healing"!

[Lee49]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506732

 

Coronavirus: Fake flyers in Los Angeles target Panda Express

 

"Anxiety and misinformation related to the virus have fuelled anti-Asian prejudice, Los Angeles authorities said at a press conference.

"Many may be quick to assume that just because someone is Asian or from China that somehow they are more likely to be carriers of the virus," said Robin Toma, executive director of the LA County Human Relations Commission."

 

This brings back memories of what they did to most Japanese citizens living in the US during WW 2, the internment camps

 

"The internment is considered to have resulted more from racism than from any security risk posed by Japanese Americans"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

[Allabord4Jah]

You know, I doubt if this is really a "wild animal" that they (in Wuhan, China) said caused this virus.  I believe that this virus was made in a lab in the city, cause the city, and other cities in China, have labs to mass produce chemical war fare weapons, and they don't have to be made out of steel, plastic or what have you.  I heard that China doesn't care about it's citizens and they will use them for experiments without their knowledge.   This can be regarded as part of "wars" mention in the scriptures, in Matthew 24, and Luke 21.   It could have been a accident and then it could have been okayed by the CCP to test it.  Well it sure misfired cause half of their population is sick.  I bet the government as a cure for it, but will not release it till it's their time of glory!

 

Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio ...

www.washingtontimes.com › news › jan › virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-la...

 

 

Jan 24, 2020 - Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program ... [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of ... with Israeli military intelligence for biological and chemical warfare in ..

[Ahuvah]

3 hours ago, Lee49 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51506732

 

Coronavirus: Fake flyers in Los Angeles target Panda Express

 

"Anxiety and misinformation related to the virus have fuelled anti-Asian prejudice, Los Angeles authorities said at a press conference.

"Many may be quick to assume that just because someone is Asian or from China that somehow they are more likely to be carriers of the virus," said Robin Toma, executive director of the LA County Human Relations Commission."

 

This brings back memories of what they did to most Japanese citizens living in the US during WW 2, the internment camps

 

"The internment is considered to have resulted more from racism than from any security risk posed by Japanese Americans"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

This is just a trigger for those who were racist before this event ... if they weren't racist then they wouldn't connect those dots.

We KNOW that people's attitudes are lethal and that it won't take much for them to be triggered. This should not surprise us - certainly saddens me ... but we are living in the last of the last days. 

7 minutes ago, Allabord4Jah said:

You know, I doubt if this is really a "wild animal" that they (in Wuhan, China) said caused this virus.  I believe that this virus was made in a lab in the city, cause the city, and other cities in China, have labs to mass produce chemical war fare weapons, and they don't have to be made out of steel, plastic or what have you.  I heard that China doesn't care about it's citizens and they will use them for experiments without their knowledge.   This can be regarded as part of "wars" mention in the scriptures, in Matthew 24, and Luke 21.   It could have been a accident and then it could have been okayed by the CCP to test it.  Well it sure misfired cause half of their population is sick.  I bet the government as a cure for it, but will not release it till it's their time of glory!

 

Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio ...

www.washingtontimes.com › news › jan › virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-la...

 

 

Jan 24, 2020 - Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program ... [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of ... with Israeli military intelligence for biological and chemical warfare in ..

Allabord4Jah - the simple truth is this:- it's either a natural mutated virus - or it's lab made. Either way shouldn't bother us as the results are what they are. I really want to urge this thread to not be alarmist (both scenarios can be so) and to stay positive so we can use the FACTS to help us give comfort to others and for us individually to prepare to a reasonable degree.

When we have done all we can, it is then that Jehovah steps in. The origin of the virus can be a huge distraction factor in my opinion. 

Much respect to you though Allabord4Jah.

[Lee49]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/02/14/coronavirus-outbreak-china-transparency-who-politicizing-white-house-official/4759427002/

China is cooperating on coronavirus, WHO expert says, disputing White House official's claims

 

 "A World Health Organization official said Friday that the group had no evidence to support a claim by a White House economic adviser of lack of transparency by China over the coronavirus outbreak and called on countries to "avoid politicizing this issue right now."

 

 Ryan ( director of WHO ) called the remarks "opinion" and noted that he expects U.S. experts to be part of the WHO team in Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus. He added that there has long been "deep scientific collaboration" between the U.S., international organizations and China, including extensive publishing by China in international medical journals about the virus.

So, one group is saying no cooperation the other is saying the opposite 

[Lee49]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51510196

Tech Tent: Is social media spreading the virus?

Fear spreads faster than infection

 There we found Dr Lee Riley, professor of infectious diseases and vaccinology at the University of California - a man who has spent his career studying epidemics, including a spell at the World Health Organization.

 He was surprisingly sanguine about the coronavirus, pointing out that common-or-garden influenza was far more deadly, though he said he understood that uncertainty about the nature of the disease was bound to make people fearful.

 But he said a 24/7 news culture and the rise of social media made that fear spread faster than the virus itself - especially as the coronavirus was being diagnosed far more rapidly than Sars was 20 years ago.

[Ahuvah]

1 hour ago, Lee49 said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-51510196

Tech Tent: Is social media spreading the virus?

Fear spreads faster than infection

 There we found Dr Lee Riley, professor of infectious diseases and vaccinology at the University of California - a man who has spent his career studying epidemics, including a spell at the World Health Organization.

 He was surprisingly sanguine about the coronavirus, pointing out that common-or-garden influenza was far more deadly, though he said he understood that uncertainty about the nature of the disease was bound to make people fearful.

 But he said a 24/7 news culture and the rise of social media made that fear spread faster than the virus itself - especially as the coronavirus was being diagnosed far more rapidly than Sars was 20 years ago.

I agree ... but it's more complicated than just comparing it to other virus outbreaks.

 

At this point in time ... it is not about what is more deadly - hands down the annual flu is certainly more devastating and kills way more - you can't argue otherwise.

What is bugging people about the Covid19 Disease is the following:

The unknown path of the new virus (Ie: Will it mutate into something deadlier or will it become airborne?)

The Alarming rate at which this is transferred. 

And, as illustrated in China, specifically Wuhan but other cities as well, is that the Health System can within limits forecast the Annual Flu Outbreak ... they cannot forecast the numbers of this new virus which puts strain on facilities, processes, equipment and above all staff. Which results in less than adequate care, in some remote cases no care at all, it also results in the hospitals being full to overflowing, while people who have other ailments which may be more serious being turned away.  If you had cancer for instance ... would you risk going to hospital with an already lowered immune system to only have a high risk of being infected by a virus which would probably take you out as your lungs are already under stress?

 

If this virus continues as it is now, causing respiratory failure in a small percentage, even if its spreads, it's not going to be any more devastating than an additional bout of the flu (which nobody needs by the way). Most people will get over it, or not even know they've had it. But it's too soon in its cycle to compare it to the common flu - just as prophesy is not recognized until the prophesy is being revealed or after the fact, this virus too should not be compared to a specific outbreak whether regular, or past epidemics until all the facts are gathered, which unfortunately is usually towards the end of the outbreak.  CAVEAT: Comparison as far as severe outcomes go - characteristics of course need to be compared to make headway with the virus/vaccine.

 

I am thinking or perhaps more hoping it will start to take a dive right about now, so that any cases outside China can be contained. (I have a gut feeling this won't be the case, but time will tell).  The majority of us may not even come into contact with anyone who has been infected.  We won't know for sure until the SOUTHERN Hemisphere has gone through it's flu season.  

 

 

 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Stormswift

[Lee49]

Stay Tuned for More Breaking News!   

 

[Ahuvah]

Here is something interesting - its something I've mentioned in an earlier post and this is what is concerning people, not the seriousness of the virus, but more how extensive it could be. There is a projection rate of the virus and what it is currently. Higher than the seasonal flu but nowhere even in projections as high as measles. This is the R0 ratio: (pronounced rnaught). 

 

Based on these projections ... British NHS has projected that if this is not contained it could infect as many as 60% Brits.

With a possible 1% death rate. Are they over projecting? Most probably but as he said, he'd rather be accused of over projecting than under. Again, it's not a panic thing - just information to be prepared.

These are only calculations of 'experts in the NHS' these are NOT peer review projections.

https://youtu.be/iSbZ9EkZpyg

 

 

Edited February 15, 2020 by Stormswift

[New World Explorer]

On 2/14/2020 at 6:38 AM, Stormswift said:

The cruise ships would have a similar petri dish

In a "defense" of cruise ships ...hygiene is priority  (we were not allowed to eat without washing hands first  - washing basins were in front of food areas - crew members monitoring)

At night additional disinfecting and cleaning was taking place ...I spoke with a captain ..He said ..they are on high alert and not taking ANY chances ...public toilets were off limits, you could see crew members constantly cleaning handrails etc ...hygiene was upheld to a very high standard.  Nothing was left to chance.

[Ahuvah]

32 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

In a "defense" of cruise ships ...hygiene is priority  (we were not allowed to eat without washing hands first  - washing basins were in front of food areas - crew members monitoring)

At night additional disinfecting and cleaning was taking place ...I spoke with a captain ..He said ..they are on high alert and not taking ANY chances ...public toilets were off limits, you could see crew members constantly cleaning handrails etc ...hygiene was upheld to a very high standard.  Nothing was left to chance.

Good to hear, so the worry with Ships would be just prior to the DIamond Princess outbreak. 

[New World Explorer]

26 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

Good to hear, so the worry with Ships would be just prior to the DIamond Princess outbreak. 

Hygiene upkeep is better on Cruise ships then Shopping Centers ... Petrol stations, Restaurants ...but hey it's not easy to run away from Cruise ship in the middle of the ocean if something happens LOL

[Ahuvah]

53 minutes ago, New World Explorer said:

Hygiene upkeep is better on Cruise ships then Shopping Centers ... Petrol stations, Restaurants ...but hey it's not easy to run away from Cruise ship in the middle of the ocean if something happens LOL

Yeah .. add public loos to that. Shopping carts are terrible apparently - I never get the ones that have little ones sitting in them. But that's nothing to do with this virus - I 'm just careful in general.

[New World Explorer]

6 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

Yeah .. add public loos to that. Shopping carts are terrible apparently - I never get the ones that have little ones sitting in them. But that's nothing to do with this virus - I 'm just careful in general.

With 138,00 total bacteria per square inch, according to the study findings, shopping carts are like petri dishes of viruses, germs, bacteria, and general disgustingess. So, wiping down your shopping cart should be a no-brainer.