GB Update #4

[Tortuga]

  On 5/21/2021 at 1:50 PM, SUNRAY said:

that is what the government sent them. 

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That sounds logical. If the government provided thousands of doses then the on-site medical group could administer them. At least the Bethelites didn't have to leave the facilities to get vaccinated.

[Mykyl]

  On 5/20/2021 at 4:11 PM, jwhess said:

It has been commented on...that the 19 in Covid-19 refers to the pounds gained during the pandemic...🙂

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If only that was the case. I put on 42 pounds since this all began. And it’s not muscle. I wish. 
 Lol. Back to the weights again I think. Sorry off topic.  

Edited May 21, 2021 by Mykyl

[Tortuga]

  On 5/21/2021 at 2:01 PM, Mykyl said:

If only that was the case. I put on 42 pounds since this all began. And it’s not muscle. I wish. 
 Lol. Back to the weights again I think. Sorry off topic.  

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I lost 10 pounds, now I know where they went...

[Dustparticle]

Get ready for a another shot this fall: https://www.fox17online.com/fauci-says-booster-shot-likely-necessary-within-a-year?fbclid=IwAR1ibpmMv2yH-JmDVPQTowVVjDmh4ko5nKArxbj8hE1iMPK9d_c1k7EX5_Q

[Tortuga]

Back on topic ..

It was sad to hear about so many brothers and sisters dying from the pandemic..😧

[Susan Cook]

  On 5/21/2021 at 2:16 PM, Tortuga said:

Back on topic ..

It was sad to hear about so many brothers and sisters dying from the pandemic..😧

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Just for some perspective , Canada as a country has lost 25k to COVID

 

17000 is a sad number indeed

 

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Susan Cook

[Sheep]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:32 AM, jwhess said:

Great report. Many of the Bethel brothers and sisters already vaccinated...♥️.

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I heard that with some anticipation. I was trying to figure out what would come next. Just preceding that, he mentioned that taking the vaccine (or not) is a "personal decision for each Christian to make." Then he mentioned that "many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated." Here's where the "figuring out" comes in. He didn't say that "all" in the Bethel families chose it, nor did he say "some" or "a few." He left the number open with, "many." But did he mean to imply that some chose not to be vaccinated? Probably not, but I'm wondering why he left the matter hanging after that.

 

Or am I posing this question in the wrong topic? If I did, please don't post any anti-vax comments in here.

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Sheep

[jwhess]

  On 5/21/2021 at 7:37 PM, Sheep said:

I heard that with some anticipation. I was trying to figure out what would come next. Just preceding that, he mentioned that taking the vaccine (or not) is a "personal decision for each Christian to make." Then he mentioned that "many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated." Here's where the "figuring out" comes in. He didn't say that "all" in the Bethel families chose it, nor did he say "some" or "a few." He left the number open with, "many." But did he mean to imply that some chose not to be vaccinated? Probably not, but I'm wondering why he left the matter hanging after that.

 

Or am I posing this question in the wrong topic? If I did, please don't post any anti-vax comments in here.

 

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There are a lot of older ones at Bethel (some very old ones) who have a variety of other health problems that might need to be balanced against the pandemic needs.

[JkentBZ]

  On 5/21/2021 at 7:37 PM, Sheep said:

I heard that with some anticipation. I was trying to figure out what would come next. Just preceding that, he mentioned that taking the vaccine (or not) is a "personal decision for each Christian to make." Then he mentioned that "many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated." Here's where the "figuring out" comes in. He didn't say that "all" in the Bethel families chose it, nor did he say "some" or "a few." He left the number open with, "many." But did he mean to imply that some chose not to be vaccinated? Probably not, but I'm wondering why he left the matter hanging after that.

 

Or am I posing this question in the wrong topic? If I did, please don't post any anti-vax comments in here.

 

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I think he meant many have been and that some have not.  Since it is a personal decision as he stated each individual is allowed to decide for themselves.  And if one is pro-vax or anti-vax they should keep that personal choice to themselves.  It does not need to be shared just as many other personal decisions are ours to make and shouldn't be up for debate.  I like to apply 1 Thess. 4:11 when discussing personal decisions. 

[On the huh]

I think the point was that it was a personal choice.  Regardless whether it was many, a few, all or none, those who had the vaccine did so because it was a personal choice to have it, and those who didn't because it was a personal choice not to have it.

 

I have only told those in my congregation that asked me if I had the vaccine that I had it.  I told no-one before hand that I was going to have it, or when.  It was my choice, and no one else's business when or whether I choose to have it or not.

[jwhess]

  On 5/21/2021 at 2:21 PM, Susan Cook said:

Just for some perspective , Canada as a country has lost 25k to COVID

 

17000 is a sad number indeed

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It got me to thinking.  Adolf Hitler spent a decade persecuting, arresting and killing our brothers in WW2.  But we lost many times more in just the last year alone to this pandemic.  To put this world-wide disease in perspective...it is 10 times worse than all Hitler could do to us. And it only took a year.

 

*** w07 10/15 p. 32 “I Admired His Incredible Determination” ***
Alfermann was one of some 13,400 Witnesses—in Germany and in countries occupied by the Nazis—who suffered reprisals because of their faith. They followed the direction of the Bible, remaining politically neutral and refusing to take up arms. (Matthew 26:52; John 18:36) Some 4,200 Witnesses were interned in concentration camps, and 1,490 lost their lives. Even today, the stand they took impresses many who do not share their faith but admire their steadfastness.
 

[Sofia]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:00 PM, jwhess said:

There are a lot of older ones at Bethel (some very old ones) who have a variety of other health problems that might need to be balanced against the pandemic needs.

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I was thinking about them precisely ... 

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:09 PM, jwhess said:

It got me to thinking.  Adolf Hitler spent a decade persecuting, arresting and killing our brothers in WW2.  But we lost many times more in just the last year alone to this pandemic.  To put this world-wide disease in perspective...it is 10 times worse than all Hitler could do to us. And it only took a year.

 

*** w07 10/15 p. 32 “I Admired His Incredible Determination” ***
Alfermann was one of some 13,400 Witnesses—in Germany and in countries occupied by the Nazis—who suffered reprisals because of their faith. They followed the direction of the Bible, remaining politically neutral and refusing to take up arms. (Matthew 26:52; John 18:36) Some 4,200 Witnesses were interned in concentration camps, and 1,490 lost their lives. Even today, the stand they took impresses many who do not share their faith but admire their steadfastness.
 

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owow! This is outstanding... well, back then there were less JW too. Thank you Brother John for your insight on this.

[Tortuga]

  On 5/21/2021 at 2:21 PM, Susan Cook said:

17000 is a sad number indeed

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17000 is .2% of 8 million. How does that percentage compare with the worldwide death rate percentage?

[Sofia]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:22 PM, Tortuga said:

17000 is .2% of 8 million. How does that percentage compare with the worldwide death rate percentage?

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[Adam!]

  On 5/21/2021 at 7:37 PM, Sheep said:

I heard that with some anticipation. I was trying to figure out what would come next. Just preceding that, he mentioned that taking the vaccine (or not) is a "personal decision for each Christian to make." Then he mentioned that "many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated." Here's where the "figuring out" comes in. He didn't say that "all" in the Bethel families chose it, nor did he say "some" or "a few." He left the number open with, "many." But did he mean to imply that some chose not to be vaccinated? Probably not, but I'm wondering why he left the matter hanging after that.

 

Or am I posing this question in the wrong topic? If I did, please don't post any anti-vax comments in here.

 

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I assume this means Bethelites are allowed outside their branches to get their jabs? Or they have doctors coming in to give such ones their vaccinations?

[Sofia]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:57 PM, Adam! said:

I assume this means Bethelites are allowed outside their branches to get their jabs? Or they have doctors coming in to give such ones their vaccinations?

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Quoting Brother Mark: "What is our view on vaccination? Jehovah’s Witnesses are not against vaccination. We view it as a personal decision for each Christian to make. Already, in cooperation with public health officials, many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated."

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Sofia

[JkentBZ]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:57 PM, Adam! said:

I assume this means Bethelites are allowed outside their branches to get their jabs? Or they have doctors coming in to give such ones their vaccinations?

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Likely at the US branches the government supplied the vaccine for the Bethel medical staff to administer.  

[Sheep]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:07 PM, On the huh said:

I think the point was that it was a personal choice.  Regardless whether it was many, a few, all or none, those who had the vaccine did so because it was a personal choice to have it, and those who didn't because it was a personal choice not to have it.

 

I have only told those in my congregation that asked me if I had the vaccine that I had it.  I told no-one before hand that I was going to have it, or when.  It was my choice, and no one else's business when or whether I choose to have it or not.

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I think that's the most logical explanation to my question. Thanks for your input.

 

It is a personal choice whether or not to get vaccinated, whatever the reason. And, it's a personal choice whether or not you're going to tell others what your choice is. One sister in my congregation has told us she won't say one way or the other if she took the vaccine, or if she intends to. (Maybe she's already heard brothers and sisters argue with her over her choice, and she wants to avoid any further arguing.)

[JkentBZ]

  On 5/21/2021 at 9:13 PM, Sheep said:

I think that's the most logical explanation to my question. Thanks for your input.

 

It is a personal choice whether or not to get vaccinated, whatever the reason. And, it's a personal choice whether or not you're going to tell others what your choice is. One sister in my congregation has told us she won't say one way or the other if she took the vaccine, or if she intends to. (Maybe she's already heard brothers and sisters argue with her over her choice, and she wants to avoid any further arguing.)

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I guarantee you will never know which GB members did or did not take the vaccine.  They will keep that personal decision to themselves.  And if asked they will likely remind you in a loving way that it is a personal decision and they would rather not discuss it.  You won't see them in selfies while getting a jab or smiling with their vaccination cards.  They respect others personal choice and wouldn't want their choice to influence yours.

[Dustparticle]

  On 5/21/2021 at 9:28 PM, JkentBZ said:

I guarantee you will never know which GB members did or did not take the vaccine.  They will keep that personal decision to themselves.  And if asked they will likely remind you in a loving way that it is a personal decision and they would rather not discuss it.  You won't see them in selfies while getting a jab or smiling with their vaccination cards.  They respect others personal choice and wouldn't want their choice to influence yours.

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You right that we never know would got their shot or not. Mostly likely any member of GB who didn’t get their shot will not be stepping on an airplane in the future too.

[Lee49]

[zoebarry]

Regardless of which Bethelites received the vaccination or not, ALL Bethelites are still subject to the same restrictions imposed at Bethel.

 

In other words getting the vaccine did not increase their “freedom”

Edited May 21, 2021 by zoebarry
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[Qapla]

Since there is so much conjecture about the comment "many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated"... here is another way to look at it -  he made NO mention that some (or any) chose NOT to be vaccinated.

 

I guess we could read into that whatever we want.

 

I was told a few weeks back by someone in Bethel that more than 80% had already been vaccinated ... for what it is worth.

 

[Dages]

  On 5/21/2021 at 8:32 PM, Sofia said:

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That's for contaminated, not the global population (7 billions, 3,5 millions dead, 0.05%?)

Edited May 21, 2021 by Dages

[Sofia]

  On 5/21/2021 at 10:57 PM, Dages said:

That's for contaminated, not the global population (7 billions, 3,5 millions dead, 0.05%?)

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Exactly

you don’t know how many Jw were sick with COVID-19