Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, runner92 said:

Even the Tuskegee experiment, which only ended and was fully exposed in the 70s. That's not misinfo. That's looking at history and being cautious when a similar situation arises

How is a global pandemic where the vaccine is going to be available to everyone similar to the Tuskegee experiments? 

[Fallbrookian]

10 hours ago, Old said:

It is not that easy to reclaim good health after experiencing the bad health you describe. We have only minimal control over our health in our later years. Outside of being over weight I have CHF of which I have no control over. The friends I know with type 2 diabetes struggle with it day by day.  Good health is not a Pollyanna thing, it is sometimes our brothers and sisters struggle with every day of their lives. Easy for you, maybe but not for most. Throw the the green stuff into your blender and enjoy your temporary health. I did nothing to earn CFG, my blood sugar levels are fine, blood pressure OK but that is not the case for most of our friend my age. Enjoy your good health but do not lay it on those that that suffer, it is not there fault. 

 

Brother Jerry, I sincerely apologize that I offended you. The information I shared was quoted from the doctors web site, and I found it encouraging and helpful, but obviously we don't share the same viewpoint. I also am an elderly person, and most all of us have some sort of malady we deal with. No one can come out of this old world unscathed.  We all look forward to "the real life" that will be here soon!  As the song goes, "just around the corner".

[runner92]

3 hours ago, Shawnster said:

How is a global pandemic where the vaccine is going to be available to everyone similar to the Tuskegee experiments? 

How do you know anyone you saw on TV actually got a vaccine and not a placebo? How do you know they won't give different things to different people? 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with taking caution in a situation like this. I find it strange people can't see why one would take caution. Y'all really trust these people that much? 

Edited December 18, 2020 by runner92

[Wanda Hill]

So, I don't know what those ingredients in the Moderna vaccine are..In plain English, does it contain blood?

[The Outcast]

15 minutes ago, Wanda Hill said:

So, I don't know what those ingredients in the Moderna vaccine are..In plain English, does it contain blood?

Look here:

https://coronavirus.medium.com/decoding-modernas-covid-19-vaccine-ingredients-23ea87c5f234

 

What do you think?

[Shawnster]

48 minutes ago, Wanda Hill said:

So, I don't know what those ingredients in the Moderna vaccine are..In plain English, does it contain blood?

No. 

 

No vaccines contain blood.  Vaccines do not contain blood. 

 

https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/are-there-any-blood-fractions-cells-or-anything-do

 

Not just this vaccine. Any vaccine. 

Edited December 18, 2020 by Shawnster

[Bob]

1 hour ago, runner92 said:

How do you know anyone you saw on TV actually got a vaccine and not a placebo? How do you know they won't give different things to different people? 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with taking caution in a situation like this. I find it strange people can't see why one would take caution. Y'all really trust these people that much? 

No one’s asking you to take the vaccine.

 

If you don’t trust it or you think they’re trying to inject you with syphilis, that’s your prerogative.

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, runner92 said:

How do you know anyone you saw on TV actually got a vaccine and not a placebo? How do you know they won't give different things to different people? 

 

Gabby, many of us have certain doubts, and are very cautious about medical treatments. 

But your response/question borders on what conspiracy promotors are saying. (I know you do not mean that  )

We need to be careful about our neutral stand, even mentally and make our own personal decision regarding vaccine. 

[WilliamChew]

With such large numbers of vaccinations, we will soon know if there are any problems:

 

The first Covid-19 shots have been given to more than 1.1 million people in four countries, according to data collected by Bloomberg. It’s the start of the biggest vaccination campaign in history and one of the largest logistical challenges ever undertaken.

 

Vaccinations in the U.S. began this week with health-care workers, and 24 states reported the first 49,567 doses administered. Those numbers are expected to surge in coming days as more states work through their early allocations of shots and begin to report their numbers.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/?utm_source=webpush&utm_campaign=BreakingNews|Story|QKT7SWT1UM0W01

 

Edited December 18, 2020 by WilliamChew

[cricket246]

My apologies, could someone delete my last two posts, it won't let me edit anything... When the governing body released the letter to let us know that the Pfizer & Biontech vaccine was blood free.... Since Moderna wasn't mentioned, I was under the impression it wasn't an option at the time...   And if vaccines don't contain blood, why did the governing body advise us they were blood free? This whole vaccine thing has me confused, and it's becoming a tense discussion, so I believe I will remove myself from posting on this subject.... ❤️ Agape love. 

[Bob]

32 minutes ago, cricket246 said:

My apologies, I was following the governing body's direction. In their letter, they said the Pfizer and Biontech vaccine was the blood-free vaccine we could accept. That's why I didn't post any news links, I was just going by the letter that was read. 

Oh I got you. That makes sense. 
 

Apparently they haven’t yet reviewed the Moderna vaccine so they didn’t mention it, so your point makes sense. 

 

 

[Qapla]

The letter from the GB gave information on the first vaccine released. They were assuring us that it did not contain blood since many had asked that question.

 

By not naming any other vaccines at that time - they were NOT saying or indicating that other vaccines contained blood. In fact, the letter said they would update the information as it became available.

 

Most likely we will get an update this week about the Moderna Vaccine - and any others that are released.

 

Taking a vaccine is a personal choice. None of us should make comments phrased in such a way that it seems we are trying to convince others that our poersonal decision is the "right decision" and others should adopt our view.

Edited December 19, 2020 by Qapla

[walkr2]

4 hours ago, Wanda Hill said:

So, I don't know what those ingredients in the Moderna vaccine are..In plain English, does it contain blood?

The Organization will inform us just as they did with Pfizer/BioNtech.

 

Voni in NC

[New World Explorer]

9 minutes ago, Qapla said:

Taking a vaccine is a personal choice. None of us should make comments phrased in such a way that it seems we are trying to convince others that our poersonal decision is the "right decision" and others should adopt our view.

I fully support such statements. 

[walkr2]

10 hours ago, friendlyone said:

This point might have already been made along the way in this thread, but it's amazing the strange ideas some people have as far as the Pfizer vaccination is concerned.

 

I saw a news report on the TV a couple of days ago in which some of those in ethnic minorities were being asked if they would consider taking the vaccine. People in certain ethnic groups are considered more vulnerable from the covid-19 virus. Yet, they are often the ones who are most reluctant to accept the vaccine. And, I was shocked that in one case one young man was adamant that he'd been told that every injection contains a tracker so that the government could know where you are at any given moment. Wow! Where do people get such misinformation? 🤕

There's a word for them but I cant think of it....pessimistic maybe?😀

 

Voni in NC

[runner92]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

No one’s asking you to take the vaccine.

 

If you don’t trust it or you think they’re trying to inject you with syphilis, that’s your prerogative.

Stop. I never said you can't decide for yourself. I gave the very valid reason why some aren't taking it and why I'm not taking it. There is nothing wrong with being cautious in a situation like this. Your dismissive syphilis reply is not needed. It's clear that was a way to be snarky.sparky.

 

I'm sorry, but history tells a different story and it's not conspiracy theory. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by runner92

[runner92]

For everyone who decided to laugh in my face in my last post, y'all can have this thread. I'm thoroughly done. Continue to laugh in the face of people who decide to be cautious for very real, historical reasons.

Edited December 19, 2020 by runner92

[Bob]

7 minutes ago, runner92 said:

Stop. I never said you can't decide for yourself. I gave the very valid reason why some aren't taking it and why I'm not taking it. There is nothing wrong with being cautious in a situation like this. Your dismissive syphilis reply is not needed. It's clear that was a way to be snarky.

I am all for caution. But honestly, you were not suggesting caution. You were comparing a vaccine to stop a pandemic, with a racist experiment performed on blacks from 90 years ago.

 

So yes, my syphilis point was to merely point out how off-base that comparison is. 

[Lee49]

I'm not judging anyone but the word could be - delusional - Persecutory. Individuals with persecutory delusions believe they are being spied on, drugged, followed, slandered, cheated on, or somehow mistreated. An example might include a woman who believes her boss is drugging the employees by adding a substance to the water cooler that makes people work harder.

[Lee49]

5 minutes ago, Lee49 said:

I'm not judging anyone but the word could be - delusional - Persecutory. Individuals with persecutory delusions believe they are being spied on, drugged, followed, slandered, cheated on, or somehow mistreated. An example might include a woman who believes her boss is drugging the employees by adding a substance to the water cooler that makes people work harder.

 from above post - "There's a word for them but I cant think of it....pessimistic maybe?😀"

[carlos]

Friends, let's try to keep the discussion nice. This is not some worldly forum were people are rude and mean and sarcastic. These are our brothers and sisters here and we want them to feel good. Some of our friends are impatient to take this vaccine and feel safe. Others may be more reluctant to take it for different reasons. Since it's a personal choice both options are fine.

 

Of course we can discuss our reasons and our thoughts, but if we realize we are offending our brother it may be better not to click the Send button, or to reword our posts in order to be kinder.

[Lee49]

coming on CNN now ( and repeated later tonight ) " The Color of Covid : The Vaccines "

[New World Explorer]

51 minutes ago, carlos said:

Friends, let's try to keep the discussion nice. This is not some worldly forum were people are rude and mean and sarcastic. These are our brothers and sisters here and we want them to feel good. Some of our friends are impatient to take this vaccine and feel safe. Others may be more reluctant to take it for different reasons. Since it's a personal choice both options are fine.

 

Of course we can discuss our reasons and our thoughts, but if we realize we are offending our brother it may be better not to click the Send button, or to reword our posts in order to be kinder.

Best to imitate how Governing Body handles this situation, they have informed us about ingredients of the vaccine(s) and left us with personal decision as it should be. 

It's simple and uncomplicated, and it does not influence us either way. 

Can we imitate such a sound, and balanced stance? 

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, cricket246 said:

nd if vaccines don't contain blood, why did the governing body advise us they were blood free?

Because too many Witnesses have been misinformed by either false news reports or they confused the vaccine with the convalescent plasma treatments doctors were administering earlier this year to alleviate the symptoms of Covid.  You'll notice quite a few members here asked about blood being in the vaccine.  If our board is a slice of the Christian Congregation, then it stands to reason a fair number of publishers worldwide benefited from the clarification

Edited December 19, 2020 by Shawnster

[M.J.]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

I am all for caution. But honestly, you were not suggesting caution. You were comparing a vaccine to stop a pandemic, with a racist experiment performed on blacks from 90 years ago.

 

So yes, my syphilis point was to merely point out how off-base that comparison is. 

She gave one example, because it is well known and famous. But there are other examples of deception, misleading statements, and putting money over people's well being, especially pharmaceutical companies, who have big lobbyists on their side. Surely you must be aware of this.

 

This is something she personally feels strongly about, so though you wanted to make a point and make her views appear exaggerated by the syphyllis remark, you came out sounding snarky, just as she said. Good for her for standing up for herself. 

 

Tragically, disadvantaged, minorities or low income populations are sometimes used as guinea pigs. That is not imaginary. It's simply true. Feel free to research it for yourself.

 

By the way, I heard a news interview about how the vaccine was produced.  The vaccine was given to volunteers. Those who came back complaining of symptoms were then identified as such.  But,  they never tested all the volunteers to check those who still got sick after the vaccine but were asymptomatic! Insane - plausible deniability technique.

 

AND, they passed a special law, no one can sue the drug companies if they are harmed seriously by the vaccine. They've been given total immunity from prosecution or liability. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by M.J.