Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Old]

6 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

Canada's first fatal case from AstraZeneca. The man was in his 40's and had just taken the first dose in April, and died a few weeks later. I read it is particularly dangerous for those younger as their immune systems react stronger apparently than to older generations, causing over-reaction and death.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/ontario-reports-1st-fatal-case-of-rare-blood-clot-after-man-received-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine/ar-AAKngGy?li=AAggNb9

And that is more out standing than the thousands that will/are protected?

 

I do wonder if had he caught the desease with out any vaccine would he have been one of the those that had had little chance of servival. 

[Amygdala]

3 hours ago, Old said:

I do wonder if had he caught the desease with out any vaccine would he have been one of the those that had had little chance of servival. 

Also something to think about.

[CHecker]

10 hours ago, Old said:

And that is more out standing than the thousands that will/are protected?

 

I do wonder if had he caught the desease with out any vaccine would he have been one of the those that had had little chance of servival. 

Therefore, there is no good answer. To vaccinate or not, herd immunity or not. No one can say for sure that there is an answer to this virus. 

So, for me, precautions are key. 

[Amygdala]

Has anyone taken Johnson and Johnson? Maybe a poll can be started…

[califlorican]

3 hours ago, bagwell1987 said:

Therefore, there is no good answer. To vaccinate or not, herd immunity or not. No one can say for sure that there is an answer to this virus. 

So, for me, precautions are key. 

That makes it sound like vaccinating isn’t any better than just taking precautions when it has been shown to be far more effective. The number of deaths of fully vaccinated people is so much smaller than those that aren’t vaccinated.
 

And we aren’t perfect, so other precautions we might take just may not be enough. There are millions of people who need to go out and work around the general public- it doesn’t matter if you take all the precautions in the world if there are people around you who don’t care. 
 

If someone doesn’t personally want the vaccine, that’s one thing. But it IS extremely effective and will provide more protection than anything else right now. It’s not 100%, but nothing is!

[Amygdala]

32 minutes ago, califlorican said:

That makes it sound

Why does anyone impute an agenda on anyone? It seems like there are a mighty few folks on here not understanding what others are writing, and imputing negative motives automatically. The only bible principle I can see here being broken isn't whether one doesn't take or does take the vaccine, but rather a lack of lack of self-control and aggression against someone of a different opinion.

 

This thread is partly about REACTIONS to the vaccine. Therefore I posted what I just read and Canada's first case happened to interest me. I am interested in any kind of information on the vaccines, but there's no need to impute negative motives and that I am pushing anti-vaccination, where someone has to quickly respond with BUT IT SAVES LIVES!!! We are looking at getting vaccinated, but does anyone on here know the personal medical history of one another? What is wrong about posting negative side effects, yes though rare, on a side effects topic?

 

Staying neutral and seeing both sides of potential vaccines and their possible side effects is not sharing an agenda.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Lieblingskind

[Mykyl]

2 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

 What is wrong about posting negative side effects, yes though rare, on a side effects topic?

 

Staying neutral and seeing both sides of potential vaccines and their possible side effects is not sharing an agenda.

If there is a high proportion of negative side effects then yes there is a use to posting about it.

If it’s one person who died or had a bad effect from the vaccine that could be enough to push someone away from a vaccine that may protect that particular person.
What if the person chooses not to take the vaccine because of that post and ends up seriously ill with Covid. Or worse. 
If I was against vaccines, for whatever reason, Then it’s fine to state that but I should keep my research to myself.

It’s personal to me and I do not know the medical implications of spreading my research to others if they agreed with me. 

For me I would leave it to others to do research for themselves so I am in no way responsible for causing a problem for anyone. 
If I’m for vaccines then again it’s fine to state that as well but leave it. 
 

My personal problem is not the choice folks make but the insistence on spreading the reasons or research on why. It’s personal to you alone. 
 

Mind you as you point out, it is what the thread is about. I just disagree with the thread purpose for the above reasons. 
 

Just the way I see it. Clearly many do not. That’s fine, but it does make my heart pound.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Mykyl

[Amygdala]

But brother Mike, you could also easily flip that by the vocal expressions some have had on here for taking the vaccines - to the point that some have been accused of being "irresponsible" or "selfish" for choosing not to take the vaccine for no more than the simple fact that the persons health history and possibly already weakened immune system would not allow it. However this inadvertent "pressure" could also induce someone into for eg., taking a vaccine, posing perhaps MORE of a health hazard, or yes,  even death for that person. And all because someone judges the comments of another.

 

As far as I saw, this thread wasn't intended for political debate, but to discuss the vaccines itself. Not everyone is going to like what someone is going to post about a particular vaccine INCLUDING it's side-effects, and particularly depending on which side of the vaccine fence he or she swings. But were all adults here. If you are already vaccinated, then great for you. I would like to know more about the different corona virus vaccines, including their potential side-effects, and Canada is certainly not a one-off regarding deaths from the Astrazeneca vaccine. Any comments jumping off into pro/anti responses, IMO, should be taken off. Just stirring debates otherwise, and making the devil quite glee.

[Qapla]

I understood the "reactions" in the title of the thread to be "personal reactions:, you know, like:

• My arm hurt for a week after the shot
• I was sick for 24 hours and then it went away
• I didn't have anything ... didn't even hurt may arm
• I was so sick I had to go to the hospital
• I had both doses and never did feel bad

Not these types of reactions :

• I heard of some who ...
• This news report says ...
• I was told that ...
• You should read this ...

 

[califlorican]

4 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

Why does anyone impute an agenda on anyone?

Because the comment specifically said “there is no good answer” and, as I said, made it sound like that is a universal truth, but that’s an opinion from one person- and I am also sharing my opinions.
 

I’m also speaking for myself when I say that taking precautions was not enough to make myself feel safe. I worked with the general public around hundreds of people for months when COVID cases in California were spiking and there were zero hospital beds left at some points. It was terrifying with people not caring how close they were to me, and not knowing if their/my mask was actually going to protect my husband and me from getting COVID. That’s where I’m coming from. If someone can stay home for the next year and not worry about getting sick, that is awesome. I have friends who aren’t getting vaccinated and just staying home. But that’s not a reality for myself, for my husband, or most of my friends and family. Getting vaccinated protects the majority- that’s just the truth.

 

It sounds like some are assuming I’m saying that if you don’t get vaccinated you’re doing something wrong, and that’s not at all what I mean to say. If you believe I’m lacking self-control or being aggressive because of my comment, I’m sorry. I don’t see it that way. 
 

 

Edited May 26, 2021 by califlorican

[Shawnster]

40 minutes ago, Qapla said:

Not these types of reactions :

• I heard of some who ...
• This news report says ...
• I was told that ...
• You should read this .

This might fall under research? 

 

If we don't like a direction a topic on this forum takes, we can choose to stop reading the topic.  These various coronavirus topics are turning a little contentious. Let's all play nice. 

[califlorican]

 

2 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

But brother Mike, you could also easily flip that by the vocal expressions some have had on here for taking the vaccines - to the point that some have been accused of being "irresponsible" or "selfish" for choosing not to take the vaccine for no more than the simple fact that the persons health history and possibly already weakened immune system would not allow it. However this inadvertent "pressure" could also induce someone into for eg., taking a vaccine, posing perhaps MORE of a health hazard, or yes,  even death for that person. And all because someone judges the comments of another.

 

As far as I saw, this thread wasn't intended for political debate, but to discuss the vaccines itself. Not everyone is going to like what someone is going to post about a particular vaccine INCLUDING it's side-effects, and particularly depending on which side of the vaccine fence he or she swings. But were all adults here. If you are already vaccinated, then great for you. I would like to know more about the different corona virus vaccines, including their potential side-effects, and Canada is certainly not a one-off regarding deaths from the Astrazeneca vaccine. Any comments jumping off into pro/anti responses, IMO, should be taken off. Just stirring debates otherwise, and making the devil quite glee.

This will be my last comment here, but I wanted to respond because I don’t think it’s fair to say anyone here is having a political debate, unless I’m misunderstanding your comment. Vaccinations are not political, although it’s become so in the US for some reason. Someone being for/against something is not political, and having disagreements is pretty normal. As long as we’re not angrily debating, I don’t see an issue with not agreeing with everyone else. A discussion board is for discussing things, and if I disagree with something someone says I feel comfortable enough here to say something. It doesn’t mean either person is in the wrong.
 

And while I am definitely for getting vaccinated when possible, I understand some genuinely can’t get vaccinated. I also don’t have an issue with anyone who chooses not to as long as they continue to do everything they can to keep themselves and others safe. Most witnesses are doing one or the other, so I commend them for that.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, califlorican said:

Because the comment specifically said “there is no good answer” and, as I said, made it sound like that is a universal truth, but that’s an opinion from one person- and I am also sharing my opinions.

Then maybe the comment would be better worded "There is no perfect answer.". Only the Kingdom will perfectly solve all medical challenges. Until then humanity can only limp along the best it can. It's up to us individuals to determine what is best for us. 

Edited May 26, 2021 by Shawnster

[Bob]

3 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

But brother Mike, you could also easily flip that by the vocal expressions some have had on here for taking the vaccines - to the point that some have been accused of being "irresponsible" or "selfish" for choosing not to take the vaccine for no more than the simple fact that the persons health history and possibly already weakened immune system would not allow it.

A local radio host said its your "patriotic duty" to take the vaccine. Some also make it a "love of neighbor" issue - that if you refuse it, you want to kill grandma.

 

I've grown so sick of that rhetoric. But you're 100 percent correct there.

[califlorican]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Then maybe the comment would be better worded "There is no perfect answer.". Only the Kingdom will perfectly solve all medical challenges. Until then humanity can only limp along the best it can. It's up to us individuals to determine what is best for us. 

Agreed 100%!

[Ms. Piffle]

10 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

Has anyone taken Johnson and Johnson? Maybe a poll can be started…

My youngest son and son-in-law both took the J&J vaccine.  My son (40+) - in the same arm that he received the vaccine he had tingling from the arm down to the hand. A bad headache, and that evening he chilled so bad that we could not get enough blankets on him. He also felt nauseated.  The next day the chills were gone the nausea had improved , he still had a headache.  Within 3 days he felt much better.  My son-in-law became very nauseated that same day and through the evening.  He got a bad headache. The next day still nauseated but not as bad. Headache much better. By the following day he was fine.  

 

* A side note. My daughter had Pfizer.  After her second shot she had heart palpitations.  She said at times it felt like her heart was hitting very hard.  They continued for a good 3 weeks.  

Edited May 27, 2021 by Polka Dot

[Amygdala]

5 hours ago, Qapla said:

I understood the "reactions" in the title of the thread to be "personal reactions:, you know, like:

• My arm hurt for a week after the shot
• I was sick for 24 hours and then it went away
• I didn't have anything ... didn't even hurt may arm
• I was so sick I had to go to the hospital
• I had both doses and never did feel bad

Not these types of reactions :

• I heard of some who ...
• This news report says ...
• I was told that ...
• You should read this ...

“Reactions” can include the actual effects but doesn’t necessarily exclude the consequences of serious effects.
 

My point is the judging of one another’s comments in a negative way, either aggressively or passive- aggressively by insinuating that a person is promoting a pro/anti viewpoint. I have read through various  comments on the various topics on COVID and somehow, in some way the sentiments of pro/anti creeps up into debate form, and not the respectful kind. Rather the one that mirrors fights of the world.

 

In a search to see which vaccines the brothers are taking, the comments are not all reflective of informational, neutral comments. A person is not even allowed to post news articles without not only being questioned on intent, but accused of promoting a political agenda. Lots of being quick to take offense around certain comments, negative insinuations and misjudging on the subject. 

[Amygdala]

5 hours ago, califlorican said:

I’m also speaking for myself

This is the point isn’t it? But in directly addressing the sister‘s comments „that sounds like“ is imputing negative assumptions about her intentions of promoting carelessness, though she is also speaking of her OWN situation that you may not know about. 

[Amygdala]

4 hours ago, Bob said:

A local radio host said its your "patriotic duty" to take the vaccine. Some also make it a "love of neighbor" issue - that if you refuse it, you want to kill grandma.

Patriotism is certainly strong in America vs.other countries. 😵 That’s not easy.

[califlorican]

3 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

This is the point isn’t it? But in directly addressing the sister‘s comments „that sounds like“ is imputing negative assumptions about her intentions of promoting carelessness, though she is also speaking of her OWN situation that you may not know about. 

What I mean is that to me it sounded as though she was saying that anyone getting vaccinated is no better off than those not getting vaccinated in terms of protection from the virus, which is just not scientifically true. I wasn’t responding to her choice (I don’t even know what her choice regarding vaccinations is lol) and I don’t have an opinion on what she personally chooses to do. I was commenting on the fact that vaccinations are still more effective than no vaccine. 
 

I read my comment back again and to me it doesn’t sound like a personal attack/assumption toward the sister, but if it came off that way, that is my bad in the way I expressed myself and I’m sorry. 

Edited May 27, 2021 by califlorican

[Amygdala]

Don't worry sister Lauren. I am not trying to single you out, as other comments and even seen a trend where some feel the need to directly contradict other individuals by imputing negative assumptions about their comments, without knowing their mindset or story, and especially when no clear cut bible principle is being broken.

 

But explaining your personal experiences clearly "because of ---" doesn't leave room for anyone to feel attacked if you have an opposing viewpoint. No one has the right, though, to impose their consciences on others, or police other decisions, no matter how long the person has been in the truth.

[Amygdala]

20 minutes ago, Lieblingskind said:

No one has the right, though, to impose their consciences on others, or police other decisions, no matter how long the person has been in the truth.

Besides, ones who continually do so will eventually lose friends if they keep that up.

[CHecker]

2 hours ago, califlorican said:

What I mean is that to me it sounded as though she was saying that anyone getting vaccinated is no better off than those not getting vaccinated in terms of protection from the virus, which is just not scientifically true. I wasn’t responding to her choice (I don’t even know what her choice regarding vaccinations is lol) and I don’t have an opinion on what she personally chooses to do. I was commenting on the fact that vaccinations are still more effective than no vaccine. 
 

I read my comment back again and to me it doesn’t sound like a personal attack/assumption toward the sister, but if it came off that way, that is my bad in the way I expressed myself and I’m sorry. 

I deliberately refrain from stating my decisions on the vaccine because, like the GB said, ITS PERSONAL and no one's business.

And yes, I still maintain that nobody really knows what's best. It may be years before we truly understand it. But to keep oneself healthy we must avoid close contact as much as possible, protect and keep building our immune system and keep up on the use of sanitizers. 

Keep well friends.

[Tortuga]

5 hours ago, Lieblingskind said:

Don't worry sister Lauren. I am not trying to single you out, as other comments and even seen a trend where some feel the need to directly contradict other individuals by imputing negative assumptions about their comments, without knowing their mindset or story, and especially when no clear cut bible principle is being broken.

Jesus really made it simple for us when he told us to love each other. If we look for ways to be kind, loving peacemakers, then these trends wouldn't exist.

[Amygdala]

This is also good for a review:

 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102018456