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I have only heard about the sister from Boston. She was a cousin of close friends of ours. :cry:

 

The CO came and visited our Congregation last night - it was very calming. We had 6 from our Congregation who were there and survived. The young couple told us of their harrowing experience. He said, I just can't wrap my mind around being a survivor of one of the deadliest mass shootings in US history. They were near the stage and had someone shot right behind them.

 

I see why some thought there might have been more shooters. There was such panic and no one could tell where the bullets were coming from and it lasted between 10-15 minutes.  :eek:

Everytime they turned a corner while fleeing someone - in panic - would say "he's coming this way." And then point in the opposite direction of the last person who said it - just sheer panic.

 

I have a workmate who is related to a SWAT member. That guy spent days setting up small cameras so he could watch outside his room for when police came. Scary. He was the only one in the room. He actually shot thru the door at a security guard and then minutes later when SWAT busted in, he shot himself. It seems he waited until the last act for maximum damage. He had been watching the festival all day from his room.  :nope:

 

 


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That's pretty terrible,  we may never know the reason behind his acts but, I think, it's almost certain there was demonic influence. 

 

Maybe his lady friend got associated with something weird and he got caught up in it...no matter,  it was just a horrible event and we can be thankful that it wasn't worse. 

 

I remember going out in the Ministry after the Virginia Tech shootings,  we were definitely needed,  people we talked to needed some Scriptural comfort and answers. 

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1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

This is my neighborhood. Paid attention all night. Shooter was only one injured. He was NOT at the high school but at a storage unit facility down the road. 

 

It's our sister congregation territory by only a few blocks. 20 minutes from my house. 

That's a little too close for comfort.  Glad you are ok, except for a little lost sleep...

I got the scanner alert, listened in for a while but I got my fill of that pretty quickly. ..it's good it got resolved fairly quickly. ..

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Sorry for our Dear Sisters who have lost their lives.

 

I read the shooters girlfriend had returned after coming back from Aussie. 

 

The last Masacare to my knowlege was in the 1990s..Port Arthur in Tassie.

It was the most terrible thing I ever heard of.  Pretty much soon after our Gov recalled all the guns. It illegal here... I often wonder why the US... Gov doesnt do something similar....

But this încident in Vegas. 

tops that.

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Shawn, I knew you are from Ohio, but I was hoping you weren't anywhere near it. So glad you weren't affected. That's what is scary, knowing our friends are in the place where these atrocities are occurring.  As soon as I saw the Las Vegas tragedy on the news, I thought of Jerry.  No matter, we are deep into the last days and we ALL will be affected somehow.  Only by maintaining a faith strong will we be able to keep going.

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22 minutes ago, surfergirl said:

.  Pretty much soon after our Gov recalled all the guns. It illegal here... I often wonder why the US... Gov doesnt do something similar....

Gabe, it would be practically impossible for the US gov to seize all guns. The gun culture has been inbred into US citizens for so long that it is just a part of life here, the 2nd ammendment to the US Constitution guarantees the right of private ownership of guns, ostensibly to be a deterrence to an over reaching Gov, and there are plenty of people that would fight and die for that right, all in the name of freedom. 

 

If a seizure was attempted, there would be civil war. 


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So. A passer-by saw a man with an assault rifle at the storage unit down the road from the high school. Police called. Stupid guy shot at police . Police shot back. He missed. They didn't. 2 or 3 hour standoff.

 

Stupid guy should not have fired at police.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, tekmantwo said:

That's a little too close for comfort.  Glad you are ok, except for a little lost sleep...

I got the scanner alert, listened in for a while but I got my fill of that pretty quickly. ..it's good it got resolved fairly quickly. ..

 

Eh, it was over about bedtime.  Not any lost sleep, LOL.  Made for a little tense evening.  I kept refreshing Twitter and Facebook.  I thought it was odd I was not seeing any Tweets from students or people on the scene.  All kept seeing was the warning about "reports of an active shooter" bla bla bla.  Well, turns out it was not at the school and no civilians were involved.  The guy was at a storage unit facility.  It was all a business district area and most of those businesses close at 6pm or so.  Incident started at 7pm, I heard about it about 7:30pm and it was over by 10pm.

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Who Was Rhonda LeRocque? The Las Vegas Victim, 42, Attended Route 91 Harvest Festival With Her Family

(Bustle is an online American women's magazine founded in August 2013 by Bryan Goldberg)

 

Tewksbury woman among 60 killed by Las Vegas shooter

(The Sentinel & Enterprise is a morning daily newspaper published in Fitchburg, Massachusetts, with a satellite news bureau in Leominster, Massachusetts.)


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1 hour ago, Thesauron said:

Who Was Rhonda LeRocque? The Las Vegas Victim, 42, Attended Route 91 Harvest Festival With Her Family

(Bustle is an online American women's magazine founded in August 2013 by Bryan Goldberg)

 

Tewksbury woman among 60 killed by Las Vegas shooter

(The Sentinel & Enterprise is a morning daily newspaper published in Fitchburg, Massachusetts, with a satellite news bureau in Leominster, Massachusetts.)

 

Yes, this sister's death (along with all the others is very tragic).

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7 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

Yes, this sister's death (along with all the others is very tragic).

Of course, but our spiritual brothers and sisters are always closer.

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As I hear and obey.”

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6 hours ago, tekmantwo said:

Gabe, it would be practically impossible for the US gov to seize all guns. The gun culture has been inbred into US citizens for so long that it is just a part of life here, the 2nd ammendment to the US Constitution guarantees the right of private ownership of guns, ostensibly to be a deterrence to an over reaching Gov, and there are plenty of people that would fight and die for that right, all in the name of freedom. 

 

If a seizure was attempted, there would be civil war. 

 

We need to be careful not to engage in the discussion that is following this tragic event, because

1.) there is only one gun control law we need to care about, the one Jehovah implements in the New System where NOBODY will have a gun.

2.) something tells me the guns used in this tragic mass murder were not legally purchased or owned anyway.

 

The media keep pretending like this was an ordinary shooting by a guy who owned a lot of guns, but it isn't all that easy to get fully automatic guns even in the USA, especially this type of belt-fed or drum-magazine machine gun type. Of course, if you have enough money, a lot is possible by means of organized crime.

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6 minutes ago, ChocoBro said:

 

We need to be careful not to engage in the discussion that is following this tragic event, because there is only one gun control law we need to care about, the one Jehovah implements in the New System where NOBODY will have a gun.  :thumbsup:

 

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6 minutes ago, ChocoBro said:

 

We need to be careful not to engage in the discussion that is following this tragic event, because something tells me the guns used in this tragic mass murder were not legally purchased or owned anyway.  :confused:

 

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I agree with your first premise, but having trouble with your second, 'something is telling you'/us..? What is something and what does it have to do with whether or not we should or shouldn't be discussing this event.

 

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6 minutes ago, Old said:

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I agree with your first premise, but having trouble with your second, 'something is telling you'/us..? What is something and what does it have to do with whether or not we should or shouldn't be discussing this event.

 

 

Doesn't really add up, does it. I just meant even if we did discuss gun laws with people I imagine it would be pointless because I can hardly think of how this guy legally owned such powerful firearms.

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There are a number of the "automatic" weapons that can be legally purchased as a "semi-automatic" weapon.  :confused:  The conversion from semi-auto to full-auto can be done with very minor alterations that can be done at home. :eek:

 

Yes, once the weapon is made full-auto it becomes an illegal weapon - however, that does not mean that it was bought on the black market. :nope:

 

It is one of those loop-holes in the law. It is legal to buy the gun semi-auto. It is also legal to buy the conversion kit. It is only illegal to convert the weapon with the kit. :wall:


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37 minutes ago, ChocoBro said:

 

2.) something tells me the guns used in this tragic mass murder were not legally purchased or owned anyway.

 

So far the evidence is all the guns were legally purchased.  At least, that was the latest I heard.  Gun laws vary from state to state.  

 

Once legally purchased, some firearms can be modified and made illegal.  That is definitely what happened with some of the guns the shooter used.

 

It was illegal, though, to have firearms at the hotel.  


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35 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

So far the evidence is all the guns were legally purchased.  At least, that was the latest I heard.  Gun laws vary from state to state.  

 

Once legally purchased, some firearms can be modified and made illegal.  That is definitely what happened with some of the guns the shooter used.

 

It was illegal, though, to have firearms at the hotel.  

I am not aware that any illegal guns have been identified at the hotel location, do you have a source?

Bumpstocks as stupid as the idea is are not illegal.

Likewise for "it is illegal to have firearms in a hotel."

I have been searching and haven't found support for this statement. It is true, carrying guns in the casino part of a hotel is illegal.

Las Vegas has the most and biggest gun shows in the world and that would be hard to do if you couldn't bring your stock of merchandise into a hotel.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, ChocoBro said:

Doesn't really add up, does it. I just meant even if we did discuss gun laws with people I imagine it would be pointless because I can hardly think of how this guy legally owned such powerful firearms.

 

Since you're in Germany, you're likely unfamiliar with gun culture in the US.

 

Guns are generally not seen as murderous weapons to be regulated, they are "tools" that each individual has a "right" to own. If I wanted to buy an identical gun to the one used in this shooting, with the same legal modifications, I could just go to the local gun store (there are three within 5 miles of my home), the dealer would run an instant background check, and I would walk out with whatever guns and attachments I want.

 

Outside of the passive background check, there is no limit to purchasing a gun, there is no limit to how many one can own, and there is no registration system in place to track the number of guns anyone owns.

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So, what I agree with Ruben is that regardless of the gun control (or lack of it), it is just another political solution to these sort of tragedies.  And what are we to do with political solutions?  (toilet emoticon would be useful here).

 

As for Australia, it is universally accepted that guns are bad in general society and needed to be registered only to those who require them.  Hence after that tragedy of the mass murders in Port Arthur all guns were controlled.  There was a mass amnesty and a recall of all guns, with exceptions for farmers, etc.  And it is touted as a victory against what is routinely happening in the US.  But it hasn't stopped people getting guns anyway.  We only just had ANOTHER mas amnesty to hand in guns.  So where did these all come from?  They get here somehow.  And they have been used many times for murders.

 

Figures released today show between July and September, 25,999 firearms have been handed in around the country, an average of more than 400 each day.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-08/more-than-26,000-guns-surrendered-in-national-firearms-amnesty/8883822

 

This sort of things gives the community a false sense of security, doesn't it?

 

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Yep....

Murder is as old as the human race ... 

but there is only one original man slayer.  He cares nothing for humanity, and is an inspiration to all his disciples.

Whether it be 10, 50, a million he is revels in the implosion of normal human decency...

Come Lord Jesus...

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I don't know how many of your dear one's in here, heard the snippet Jimmy Kimmel made, while he was shocked and broken at what had happened earlier this week.  But something tiny caught my attention.  A little snippet he said about the shooter.   He made mention that the shooter had no visible signs of sort of of mental problem, he had money, was well established in L.V.,  He loved gambling, buying guns, someone who would think he was normal all around guy.  But the part  I caught , was when Mr. Kimmel, said, "No one can explain it, but to me it seems like there was some sort of force guiding him"  You know, just that one sentence, got me thinking.  Satan and his demons.  James 1:14, 15   Once whatever desire struck up in his heart, he never removed it, he never fought against it in his mind.  He just went ahead and did what he did.  The world can't describe it, but you and I can see the demonic forces behind the shooter.   Today, in my neck of the woods, the conversation was on helping the people who are scared and sadden by this tragedy that God's Kingdom has solutions, and that those who died (using brochure on resurrection) have a hope Rev 12:7-9.   Whether they listen or not, a witness to comfort them was given.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Allabord4Jah said:

I don't know how many of your dear one's in here, heard the snippet Jimmy Kimmel made, while he was shocked and broken at what had happened earlier this week.  But something tiny caught my attention.  A little snippet he said about the shooter.   He made mention that the shooter had no visible signs of sort of of mental problem, he had money, was well established in L.V.,  He loved gambling, buying guns, someone who would think he was normal all around guy.  But the part  I caught , was when Mr. Kimmel, said, "No one can explain it, but to me it seems like there was some sort of force guiding him"  You know, just that one sentence, got me thinking.  Satan and his demons.  James 1:14, 15   Once whatever desire struck up in his heart, he never removed it, he never fought against it in his mind.  He just went ahead and did what he did.  The world can't describe it, but you and I can see the demonic forces behind the shooter.   Today, in my neck of the woods, the conversation was on helping the people who are scared and sadden by this tragedy that God's Kingdom has solutions, and that those who died (using brochure on resurrection) have a hope Rev 12:7-9.   Whether they listen or not, a witness to comfort them was given.  

 

 

“He loved gambling, buying guns.” This statement shows a deep difference in culture. If someone here loved gambling and buying guns, he would per definition be considered as someone having a mental problem.

🎵“I have listened to Jesus in these troublesome days,

He lights up my path.

As I hear and obey.”

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2 minutes ago, Thesauron said:

“He loved gambling, buying guns.” This statement shows a deep difference in culture. If someone here loved gambling and buying guns, he would per definition be considered as someone having a mental problem.

 

Here in the USA, everything that was once considered a mental problem is now a lifestyle choice. Anything goes, you have to accept them for who they are, and if you speak out against anybody or anything you are an old-fashioned "bigot".

 


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16 minutes ago, Dismal_Bliss said:

 

Here in the USA, everything that was once considered a mental problem is now a lifestyle choice. Anything goes, you have to accept them for who they are, and if you speak out against anybody or anything you are an old-fashioned "bigot".

Was it once considered a mental problem in the US to love buying or owning guns?

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He lights up my path.

As I hear and obey.”

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6 hours ago, Stavro said:

Outside of the passive background check, there is no limit to purchasing a gun, there is no limit to how many one can own, and there is no registration system in place to track the number of guns anyone owns.

I am in shock! That's very "loose law" or should I say wild wild west? :confused:

Man was created as an intelligent creature with the desire to explore and understand :)

 

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