Scientists say people become 'adults' only in their 30s

[Bek]

A BBC report says neuroscientists have concluded that people do not reach adulthood till 30s. As we know, legally we all become 'adults' at 18 in many countries and if we commit a crime, we can end up in jail.

 

This made me think about the age of majority in the spiritual sense. When do we start being held responsible for our sins in God's eyes? Does God treat a sin by a 10-year-old in the same way as that of a 30 year-old?  

 

People don't become 'adults' until their 30s, say scientists 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47622059

 

[New World Explorer]

Once we are baptised, we come under judicial system that is universal to all baptised persons 

But of course not everyone is held to the ONE rigid rule,  but loving shepherds consider each case individually taking a lot into consideration when dealing with sin. 

But the baptism is a marker, regardless of age. (When talking about being responsible to be held at judicial level) 

 

Example: Ap Peter appeared as unbalanced and unfaithful person when denying Jesus, yet Jesus granted him privilege of using 3 Kingdom keys, King David comes to mind as well. 

We see that Jehovah takes a lot into consideration, things that are invisible to humans, he can see.

[well]

Physically, I feel the best at my 20's ... But, yes mentally should be my 30's

[New World Explorer]

I am still growing up ....regardless of study  LOL

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, ivy said:

Physically, I feel the best at my 20's ...

For me it was when I was 10 months old... got everything  ranging from food or toys, I just had to scream a little bit ...LOL  

Golden times .....

[Mykyl]

 Off topic. 

Was there any reason Jesus was 30 before he started his ministry? Why not in his twenties? Maybe I’ve missed something over the years, likely, or maybe there was no reason why he was 30 before starting.

[Pjdriver]

I think young teens (with few exceptions) get baptized before they fully comprehend what they’re doing. They certainly don’t think and act as responsible adults in many cases. 

[Brother_Bliss]

I love when scientists finally come out and say something that I have been saying for years

 

If I recall, ancient Jewish culture felt the same way.

[Bek]

16 hours ago, Gregexplore said:

Once we are baptised, we come under judicial system that is universal to all baptised persons 

But of course not everyone is held to the ONE rigid rule,  but loving shepherds consider each case individually taking a lot into consideration when dealing with sin. 

But the baptism is a marker, regardless of age. (When talking about being responsible to be held at judicial level) 

 

Example: Ap Peter appeared as unbalanced and unfaithful person when denying Jesus, yet Jesus granted him privilege of using 3 Kingdom keys, King David comes to mind as well. 

We see that Jehovah takes a lot into consideration, things that are invisible to humans, he can see.

I have been thinking about your words. If today baptism acts as a marker of our 'spiritual age of majority', what about the past? There were no baptisms. So did circumcision act a marker for them?

  

If I understand it correctly, today we enter the new covenant by getting baptised while in the past, people entered the old covenant by getting circumcised. 

 

 

 

[Pjdriver]

11 hours ago, Bek said:

I have been thinking about your words. If today baptism acts as a marker of our 'spiritual age of majority', what about the past? There were no baptisms. So did circumcision act a marker for them?

  

If I understand it correctly, today we enter the new covenant by getting baptised while in the past, people entered the old covenant by getting circumcised. 

 

 

 

Hi Brother Nurzat.  Baptism is not a marker or sign of spiritual maturity. You could say It is just  beginning of our spiritual lives, but it wouldn’t be spiritual “maturity”.

That comes after baptism, if we apply ourselves and gain knowledge and experience.... we gradually progress towards maturity.

 

Literal circumcision was for descendants of Abraham who also came under Mosaic law and were required to be circumcised in most cases, as babies. So there was no maturity there.

 

Regarding the new and old covenants.

Only those anointed to rule in the kingdom are in the new covenant and they enter into the new covenant not through baptism but through  anointing by Holy Spirit. 

 

On your other comment.....The Jews did not enter the old covenant (Mosaic law) by getting circumcised. After Moses day they were born into the that old covenant. As a nation at Mt. Sinai they agreed to become Jehovah’s special property and obey the laws. Circumcision was just one of those laws.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Pjdriver

[Pjdriver]

Interestingly, some other nations practiced circumcision. The Egyptians, the Edomites the moabites, and the Amorites. Except the Egyptians, all the others were closely related to the Jews through Abraham. That might have something to do with it.

[Bek]

3 hours ago, Pjdriver said:

Hi Brother Nurzat.  Baptism is not a marker or sign of spiritual maturity. You could say It is just  beginning of our spiritual lives, but it wouldn’t be spiritual “maturity”.

That comes after baptism, if we apply ourselves and gain knowledge and experience.... we gradually progress towards maturity.

 

Literal circumcision was for descendants of Abraham who also came under Mosaic law and were required to be circumcised in most cases, as babies. So there was no maturity there.

 

Regarding the new and old covenants.

Only those anointed to rule in the kingdom are in the new covenant and they enter into the new covenant not through baptism but through  anointing by Holy Spirit. 

 

On your other comment.....The Jews did not enter the old covenant (Mosaic law) by getting circumcised. After Moses day they were born into the that old covenant. As a nation at Mt. Sinai they agreed to become Jehovah’s special property and obey the laws. Circumcision was just one of those laws.

Thank you Brother for this reply. I have learnt something new and you also reminded me that only the anointed enter the new covenant.

 

There is a difference between "spiritual age of majority" and "spiritual maturity". I used that the first phrase only to mean the start of legal responsibility. 

 

So Jews were literally born into their religion then. This reminds me of Muslims.

 

Being born into religion is a big issue in Islam. It is what they call ethnic religion. They say once born you come under Islamic laws and cannot leave Islam. If you do, you should die. It is an argument they use against Christian converts. It is so annoying. 

 

Surprisingly, I was a bit shocked when I read on some profiles here that they are born into the truth and raised in the truth. Some even say "born and raised as JW".  

[Brother_Bliss]

34 minutes ago, Bek said:

I was a bit shocked when I read on some profiles here that they are born into the truth and raised in the truth.

 

I don't see the problem with this terminology. I was not "born in the truth" as my dad didn't get baptised until I was 10 years old. Even still, I had no interest in learning from him for a few years after that. 

 

My kids on the other hand are "born in the truth", meaning that they were born to a set of witness parents. Likewise, they are being "raised in the truth", meaning that their God-fearing parents are inculcating Jehovah's word into them, and they are learning from Jehovah himself as well. One day I pray they will "make the truth their own" and dedicated their lives to serving him.

[cricket246]

I don't know about that whole growing up thing at 30 lol 🤣 I'm 31, but mentally I think my brain got permanently stuck at 16. ❤️ 

[Mykyl]

2 hours ago, cricket246 said:

I don't know about that whole growing up thing at 30 lol 🤣 I'm 31, but mentally I think my brain got permanently stuck at 16. ❤️ 

In this system of self identifying I have decided to identify as 7. Lol. 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Mykyl

[Alexa]

My bmi is common for 30 yrs old because of my height 

[Godskingdomrules]

I feel I’ve reached maturity now at 31 years of age I feel like I am more level headed not changing my mind as much and more in control of my feelings and not giving in to emotions and feelings, “because emotions are just a guide”. I really wish I had the same level of intellect and emotional stability at age 20. But I guess it’s all part of growing up and the reason Jesus our king and high priest was 30 when he started his ministry although he probably would have been at the level much younger but from a outsider view 30 would of been a good age for people to listen to and take seriously.

[Pjdriver]

There is a definite difference in meaning between being born into a jw family and being born into the nation of Israel.

Israel was a dedicated nation. Those born into it did not have to make a specific dedication as Christians do. 

We are not born jws, we learn and make an individual choice of dedication and baptism. 

 

Im wondering, in the NW will we continue that way or will dedication will be a given?

[Bek]

38 minutes ago, Godskingdomrules said:

I feel I’ve reached maturity now at 31 years of age I feel like I am more level headed not changing my mind as much and more in control of my feelings and not giving in to emotions and feelings, “because emotions are just a guide”. I really wish I had the same level of intellect and emotional stability at age 20. But I guess it’s all part of growing up and the reason Jesus our king and high priest was 30 when he started his ministry although he probably would have been at the level much younger but from a outsider view 30 would of been a good age for people to listen to and take seriously.

That is a good point. @Mykyl asked earlier why Jesus did not start his ministry in his 20s. 

 

In the Middle East and other neighbouring regions, age is an important factor in commanding respect. I don't think Jesus would have been taken seriously had he started his ministry in his 20s. Even today in my region age plays an important role. If, for example, a 25-year-old was put in charge of a company, he would have a hard time running it despite his top-north qualifications and stuff. 

 

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I don't see the problem with this terminology. I was not "born in the truth" as my dad didn't get baptised until I was 10 years old. Even still, I had no interest in learning from him for a few years after that. 

 

My kids on the other hand are "born in the truth", meaning that they were born to a set of witness parents. Likewise, they are being "raised in the truth", meaning that their God-fearing parents are inculcating Jehovah's word into them, and they are learning from Jehovah himself as well. One day I pray they will "make the truth their own" and dedicated their lives to serving him.

@Dismal_Bliss I personally understand the terminology, but it makes it difficult for folks like me when we talk to Muslims. They use this kind of terminology as an argument to impose their rules on people who want to convert. Christian converts, in turn, argue that you cannot be born into a religion. It is something that you decide when you feel ready for yourself. It is not like ethnicity or genetic diseases that you inherit from your parents automatically. So if we start saying that "we are born and raised JWs", it just strengthens the Muslims' argument and makes the conversion extremely difficult unless you flee to a non-Islamic country.

 

Just imagine a fierce mob of Muslims hears that you have converted to Christianity and they come demanding that you renounce or die. You argue saying that you cannot be born into a religion and so on, but one of them shows a profile on this website and says here JWs say that you can be born into a religion. 

 

 

[Shawnster]

On 3/20/2019 at 10:02 AM, Bek said:

There were no baptisms. So did circumcision act a marker for them?

Circumcision could not constitute age of majority because males were circumcised at 8 days of age.  Hardly old enough to decide anything for oneself.  

 

And only males were circumcised. Such a marker of majority would exclude roughly 50% of the population from ever being capable of reaching majority.  And we know mature women were viewed just as much as adult as men. 

[Pjdriver]

4 hours ago, Bek said:

Just imagine a fierce mob of Muslims hears that you have converted to Christianity and they come demanding that you renounce or die.

Bek, do live among many Muslims? 

[Bek]

24 minutes ago, Pjdriver said:

Bek, do live among many Muslims? 

Yes, I do. I live in Central Asia, which is the second most Islamic region after the Middle East. 

[Shawnster]

10 hours ago, Bek said:

 converts, in turn, argue that you cannot be born into a religion

We had a part (or was it an article?) years and years ago about this. The basic point was nobody is born into the Truth.  Everyone must make the Truth their own. 

 

Some youths are born into a Christian home, like @Dismal_Blissdescribed for his children. But they technically are not born (or raised) in the Truth.

 

This is really a minor technicality and is on the same level of distinction as being a member of the Other Sheep vs. Great Crowd. The difference being the Great Crowd will only be identifiable at/after Armageddon. 

 

It's minor semantics. 

[Raven]

On 3/20/2019 at 4:48 AM, Bek said:

A BBC report says neuroscientists have concluded that people do not reach adulthood till 30s. As we know, legally we all become 'adults' at 18 in many countries and if we commit a crime, we can end up in jail.

 

This made me think about the age of majority in the spiritual sense. When do we start being held responsible for our sins in God's eyes? Does God treat a sin by a 10-year-old in the same way as that of a 30 year-old?  

 

People don't become 'adults' until their 30s, say scientists 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-47622059

 

That's probably about right actually. My twenties felt more like Teenage Years Volume 2..

 

I wonder if this reflects the age we will look like when we are in perfect health, living forever? Although I was thinking closer to 40 (minus any wrinkles and grey hair of course).

[Pjdriver]

8 hours ago, Bek said:

Yes, I do. I live in Central Asia, which is the second most Islamic region after the Middle East. 

The ministry must be interesting. Do many Muslims accept the truth there?

I studied with a Muslim man from Iran years ago when Iran took a bunch of  American hostages,...when Jimmy Carter was president of the USA. 

His name was Ali and he was a refugee. He couldn’t Accept the virgin birth for some reason. Any other miracle was plausible....but not the virgin birth...go figure.