The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[EccentricM]

19 minutes ago, Bob said:

And one economy affects another. For example, if the US were to send a deadly strain to China, we would hurt our own economy because of products we use that are manufactured in China. Hurting China potentially hurts us.

 

So I don't think that's very plausible. 

That's true too, but perhaps other countries of which we don't rely upon. That being said, the world's leaders are crazy and might be willing to shake things up, to try and turn things around so places like China would rely on the US instead or alike.

Edited May 19, 2020 by EccentricM

[JennyM]

43 minutes ago, EccentricM said:

I wouldn't be surprised if different nations were using this virus as a weapon. They may not of all had a hand in creating it, but it would not surprise me if they sent the infected or strains somehow to other lands to ruin their economy or resources to further secure their own domination.

It was written somewhere in one of  awake magazines. Biological weapons are possible. . 

Maybe its possible to reset the world... lol! 

 

1918 Flu pandemic < economic collapse < then the world went into world war 2 < then nathan knorr said that there would be peace < Gilead schools were established < gathering of  the great crowd < good news was preached to all inhabited earth, all people have heard about Jehovah < until our ministry has been limited to disciple making < preparation for GT< another pandemic < we know whats next. 

 

 

[hatcheckgirl]

This disease is really three separate diseases, one doctor is saying.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-05-19/coronavirus-doctor-ny-says-covid-like-multiple-diseases/12242026

 

1.  Covid-19 which is the flu-like disease, from mild to quite heavy flu symptoms in upper respiratory tract (which children seem to not get as bad as adults)

2.  Severe Immune over-reaction to the Covid-19, which is very different (and scarier) than any cytokine storm in other conditions

"This is a brand new disease. We are seeing more and more that the therapies we are used to working with don't necessarily produce the same results with COVID," Dr Gidwani says.

One important difference is that the cytokine storm in severe COVID-19 results in widespread blood clotting, which can in turn trigger heart attacks, strokes, deep vein thrombosis (DVT), pulmonary embolisms (clots in veins in the lungs) and limbs so damaged they may need to be amputated.

What's more, Dr Gidwani says the surge in cytokines can last up to 45 days and can wax and wane. Patients may show an improvement, then a worsening — a pattern that can be repeated several times, often for weeks on end.

This can lead doctors to misjudge how sick a patient is and withdraw supportive measures such as a ventilator before they should.

"It is important to realise this is a distinct [immune] syndrome and that you can therefore avoid certain pitfalls," says Dr Gidwani.

3. Paediatric multisystem inflammatory syndrome is an entirely different set of symptoms but it is nonetheless a "post-COVID-19" disease, Dr Gidwani says.

Symptoms may include fever, swollen hands and feet, a red rash that can occur on the skin around the lips and eyes, abdominal pain, diarrhoea and vomiting, resembling a rare condition called Kawasaki disease, thought to be triggered by infections.

But it is inflammation of the heart and blood vessels supplying it that make the condition potentially deadly.

 

In severe COVID-19, which occurs in about 10 per cent of patients, the immune over-activation usually occurs eight to 10 days after symptoms begin.

In the children's syndrome, it seems the immune over-activation occurs either late in the course of infection, or after the virus has been cleared from the body.

"These kids have escaped the symptoms of the acute infection but they may not have escaped the post-infectious reaction to the virus."

 

This is not just a bad flu.  And governments are worried more for their political survival and their economies.  I know the economy is obviously important too, or else how do we feed ourselves and pay our bills.  But this whole Covid-19 is a real nasty beast of a virus.  No excuse not to see humans are doomed without Jehovah's Kingdom.

[harmania]

Just now, EccentricM said:

I wouldn't be surprised if different nations were using this virus as a weapon. They may not of all had a hand in creating it, but it would not surprise me if they sent the infected or strains somehow to other lands to ruin their economy or resources to further secure their own domination.

I wouldn't be surprised because isn't China king of the north too? 

Edited May 19, 2020 by harmania

[hatcheckgirl]

An interesting read on the pestilences throughout history and the changes they caused.  In the past major pandemics lead to breakdowns in society. The immediate future is very bleak without the hope. 
 

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-20/coronavirus-epidemics-pandemics-that-transformed-human-history/12251914

[CHecker]

Thanks Lucy, that was a great article. Very informative,  most of it I didnt know. Wow.

[Bluebell]

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Bluebell said:

One of the biggest contributors to the spread of the "Spanish Flu" was that they were in the middle of a war and infected soldiers traveling across the world spread it, and secondly, there was a media blackout concerning the disease world wide, obviously, to hide how the disease weakened enemy troops. More importantly, scientist had no idea what a virus looked like and so it was impossible for them to effectively treat influenza.

 

Neither is the case today. People are not rejoicing in the streets with abandon. This is a different time, a different virus, and a much more advance era of science. The comparisons aren't really valid. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Bob

[CHecker]

22 minutes ago, Bob said:

One of the biggest contributors to the spread of the "Spanish Flu" was that they were in the middle of a war and infected soldiers traveling across the world spread it, and secondly, there was a media blackout concerning the disease world wide, obviously, to hide how the disease weakened enemy troops. More importantly, scientist had no idea what a virus looked like and so it was impossible for them to effectively treat influenza.

 

Neither is the case today. People are not rejoicing in the streets with abandon. This is a different time, a different virus, and a much more advance era of science. The comparisons aren't really valid. 

I disagree. People aren't rejoicing in the streets, as it were, but as an example we had several restrictions lifted this week such as beach approaches, parks and golf courses and people were all over the place. Makes me wonder what impact it will have. 

Have heard of the mutation of this virus and it's not good. I'm hoping it's not true, I guess we'll be finding out.

I'm glad the brothers are keeping us protected and still isolated until we can determine the extent of the virus.

[Bob]

So the only "mistake" from 1918 was hiding the fact that the flu was spreading. People are by in large wearing masks and are frightened of other human beings. So no, the comparisons, while valid in the sense of how disease spreads, are not valid when it comes to how people are informed and how people are reacting, and the science behind the response. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, bagwell1987 said:

I disagree. People aren't rejoicing in the streets, as it were, but as an example we had several restrictions lifted this week such as beach approaches, parks and golf courses and people were all over the place. Makes me wonder what impact it will have. 

Have heard of the mutation of this virus and it's not good. I'm hoping it's not true, I guess we'll be finding out.

I'm glad the brothers are keeping us protected and still isolated until we can determine the extent of the virus.

So are we supposed to be locked down in the house forever? How long should the lockdowns last in your opinion?

[Bob]

6 minutes ago, bagwell1987 said:

I'm glad the brothers are keeping us protected and still isolated until we can determine the extent of the virus.

Yes I agree the brothers are keeping us safe, but in fairness to these governors and political leaders, the GB doesn't have an economy to worry about or hundreds of millions of jobs, so governors MUST balance safety and economic interests. So they cannot force indefinite lockdowns for years while science tries to understand this virus. 

[hatcheckgirl]

Governments are doing what they think is best for the health of their people, and balancing this with the need to restart their economies when it is safe to do so.  Don't expect that economies will ever be the same though, as some people think rushing to open up will mean their jobs are waiting for them.  No, it isn't going to be like it was before.  For example, have you seen the issues for commuters in cities trying to get to work on public transport?  Cities such as London and Milan can't support too many cars in their city centres.  Sydney has allowed public transport to run but with social distancing, which means half the amount can fit on the trains and buses.  The other half are stuck waiting on the platform on the next train.  Are we assuming they will all fit, with the appropriate social distancing?  They are always crowded at peak hour.  So it's going to take time for governments to find a workable solution.  It's going to take time for employers and businesses to stagger their work times so you can bring people in to work at their jobs that still remain.  The logistics of shopping are also a big headache.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-14/uk-train-union-threaten-strike-londoners-pack-trains-coronavirus/12246054

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-18/australia-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-to-99/12257948

 

Meanwhile, in my part of the world, our Premier refuses to open our borders since our state is virus free and he wants to keep it that way.  He wants it to stay this way for a few months more. Other states want our borders open for tourism and business.  He sees the balance tipped in favour of health rather than national economic interests.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-20/wa-escalates-coronavirus-state-border-closure-row-with-nsw/12266628

[CHecker]

Thank-you Lucy. It's about balance. There aren't any really good choices here, only caution. And what's good for one isn't necessarily good for another. We just have to roll with what's happening now and make the best choices we can.

[Tbs77]

https://apple.news/APBfcck1XSD-m8nCrc4-P5w

Some have tested positive for COVID-19 after recovering. What does that mean?

There is no conclusive evidence that people can become reinfected with COVID-19. But researchers are following thousands of patients to be sure.

At least 14 sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt who had recovered from COVID-19 have tested positive for a second time, raising questions about immunity and whether people can catch the coronavirus shortly after getting better.

The sailors who "previously tested COVID positive and met rigorous recovery criteria have retested positive," a U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesperson said in a statement. The sailors are now off the ship and are required to isolate for at least 14 days.

Experts said the perplexing test results don't necessarily establish that a person can become infected twice — the positive results following negative tests may be a quirk related to the type of test that was used....

[Bob]

14 minutes ago, Tbs77 said:

https://apple.news/APBfcck1XSD-m8nCrc4-P5w

Some have tested positive for COVID-19 after recovering. What does that mean?

There is no conclusive evidence that people can become reinfected with COVID-19. But researchers are following thousands of patients to be sure.

At least 14 sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt who had recovered from COVID-19 have tested positive for a second time, raising questions about immunity and whether people can catch the coronavirus shortly after getting better.

The sailors who "previously tested COVID positive and met rigorous recovery criteria have retested positive," a U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesperson said in a statement. The sailors are now off the ship and are required to isolate for at least 14 days.

Experts said the perplexing test results don't necessarily establish that a person can become infected twice — the positive results following negative tests may be a quirk related to the type of test that was used....

There was a similar story from I believe Korea in which recovered patients tested positive but it was viral material from the initial infection. 
 

They were shedding “dead” or inactive covid that was not infectious.

 

Interesting stuff nonetheless. 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Bob

[hatcheckgirl]

There are more stories of recurrence.  It is a very worrying disease.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-20/coronavirus-mirabai-covid19-three-positive-tests-fatigue/12260660

Mirabai, who is 35, twice thought she was clear of COVID-19. But she has just returned a third positive test....

 

NSW Health told 7.30 that if a patient tests positive 60 days after being diagnosed, it is possible they are still infectious and, in those cases, it is recommended they remain in isolation.

 

 

[Bob]

18 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

There are more stories of recurrence.  It is a very worrying disease.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-20/coronavirus-mirabai-covid19-three-positive-tests-fatigue/12260660

Mirabai, who is 35, twice thought she was clear of COVID-19. But she has just returned a third positive test....

 

NSW Health told 7.30 that if a patient tests positive 60 days after being diagnosed, it is possible they are still infectious and, in those cases, it is recommended they remain in isolation.

 

 

The only problem I can see with stories like this is of they are testing for anything else

other than covid the second time around. 

 

Is it possible something else is getting the person ill? Covid isn’t the only disease infecting people today. 
 

It’s like when the outbreak first began, doctors were treating the flu (because of the symptoms) and were not even looking for covid and never found it as a result.

 

Sadly, people died because of that misdiagnosis. 

 

At the same time, to be immune to a disease it has to infect you so a second positive test shouldn’t be shocking. 
 

 

Edited May 20, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

2 hours ago, bagwell1987 said:

Have heard of the mutation of this virus and it's not good. I'm hoping it's not true

Well, all viruses mutate. They’ve always have. It’s the nature of viruses. 
 

Mutations are not always bad. Many times they are for the good. Since mutations cause loss of genetic material, they can become weaker. 
 

The influenza virus mutates yearly. That’s why a modified flu shot is developed each flu season. 
 

Mutations are not scary. They’re natural. In fact, humans mutate as well. It’s called adaptation. This is evident when people move from low latitudes areas to high latitude areas. 
 

The body automatically compensates for the change in environment. It’s takes about three days.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Bob

[elisha]

 

43 minutes ago, Bob said:

 

The influenza virus mutates yearly. That’s why a modified flu shot is developed each flu season. 

 

I have wondered if mutations are occurring more frequently and quickly since so many people have been infected.  Seems to me the probability of mutations happening must be higher, resulting in testing positive 2 or even 3 times.  Also makes me wonder how effective a vaccine will be if mutations are indeed occurring quickly.  (But I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV)

[Bob]

45 minutes ago, elisha said:

 

I have wondered if mutations are occurring more frequently and quickly since so many people have been infected.  Seems to me the probability of mutations happening must be higher, resulting in testing positive 2 or even 3 times.  Also makes me wonder how effective a vaccine will be if mutations are indeed occurring quickly.  (But I'm not a doctor and don't play one on TV)

I'm certainly no expert either. But from what I understand, Coronaviruses do not mutate as rapidly as influenza, so it won't escape immunizations at the same rate of speed. At least, that's the information we currently have suggests:

 

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But influenza is notable for mutating quickly. Coronaviruses—which, to be clear, belong to a completely separate family from influenza viruses—change at a tenth of the speed. The new one, SARS-CoV-2, is no exception. “There’s nothing out of the ordinary here,” says Grubaugh. Yes, the virus has picked up several mutations since it first jumped into humans in late 2019, but no more than scientists would have predicted. Yes, its family tree has branched into different lineages, but none seems materially different from the others. “This is still such a young epidemic that, given the slow mutation rate, it would be a surprise if we saw anything this soon,” Houldcroft says.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-strains-transmissible/611239/

 

But mutations don't make immunization impossible, as is shown by the flu vaccine. 

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, Bob said:

So the only "mistake" from 1918 was hiding the fact that the flu was spreading. 

The mistake in Philadelphia was having a large social gathering event, a parade, during a pandemic. 

 

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/amp/

 

 

I'm seeing cancelations of fairs and memorial day parades. Imagine how much worse if those activities were not canceled. 

 

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Shawnster said:

The mistake in Philadelphia was having a large social gathering event, a parade, during a pandemic. 

 

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-the-1918-spanish-flu-shows-why-social-distancing-works/amp/

 

 

I'm seeing cancelations of fairs and memorial day parades. Imagine how much worse if those activities were not canceled. 

 

Yeah that I knew about and understand that point. But by not reporting on the spread of the virus and alerting people to the scope of it, people didn't take preventative measures until whole towns started dropping like flies. I'm pretty sure countries would not have allowed large shipments of infected troops to enter their borders or ride busses and trains had the virus been properly reported on. 

 

As I understand Philly, were they celebrating the end of the war with that parade?

[BenJepthah]

The newly detected strain in China has breed mutated . But the result is a more infectious disease Due to a longer incubation period with less scope. Instead of causing multi system organ failure ( kidneys liver and lungs) the new strain appears to effect primarily the lungs. So it’s a mixed result. 

[daydream]

52 minutes ago, BenJepthah said:

 

 

 

 

The newly detected strain in China has breed mutated . But the result is a more infectious disease Due to a longer incubation period with less scope. Instead of causing multi system organ failure ( kidneys liver and lungs) the new strain appears to effect primarily the lungs. So it’s a mixed result. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-20/china-sees-signs-new-cluster-carries-virus-longer-than-in-wuhan

• Patients in new cluster take longer to show symptoms, recover
• Uncertainty over virus mutation is hindering control efforts

Patients in the northeast (China) appear to be taking longer than the one to two weeks observed in Wuhan to develop symptoms after infection, and this delayed onset is making it harder for authorities to catch cases before they spread