The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Loopy]

O brother! Sure lift some restrictions so people can travel from the Lower Peninsula up to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and this is what happens. This is the county (Alger county) where Rosanne and I live. The hospital is like 1-2 or so miles from my house 
 

https://www.uppermichiganssource.com/content/news/Hospital-Lower-Michigan-resident-tested-positive-for-COVID-19-in-Alger-County-570832141.html?fbclid=IwAR2TvOdv37Rukt9zxeoej7yXaOH1yuiONBVD92K_Qj_NnxBiwxt65ZBEaDA

 

MUNISING, Mich. (WLUC) - A Lower Michigan resident tested positive this week for COVID-19 at Munising Memorial Hospital, the hospital tells TV6 News.

 

The hospital says the person was visiting their second home in Alger County and had minimal contact with others when they were in the area. 
 

The test was taken Tuesday at the hospital. The positive result was received Wednesday. The hospital says the person has traveled back to Lower Michigan.

 

While the case won't be counted in the state numbers as an Alger County case, Munising Memorial Hospital wanted local residents to be aware that the virus has been detected in Alger County.

 

No further information will be released about the positive test result.

 

The hospital says people should follow recommended guidelines: Wash or sanitize hands often; stay six feet away from anyone outside your household; wear a face covering when in an enclosed public space; and keep gatherings to ten people or fewer.

 

Alger County, a popular tourist destination and the home of Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, has zero confirmed COVID-19 cases in its residents, state data shows.

[Bob]

Some encouraging news, if I can say that:

 

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A second wave of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States “could happen” but is “not inevitable,” White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Wednesday.

The U.S. can prevent another wave of Covid-19 as long as states reopen “correctly,” Fauci said Wednesday morning in an interview on CNN. “Don’t start leapfrogging over the recommendations of some of the guidelines because that’s really tempting fate and asking for trouble.”

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/27/dr-anthony-fauci-says-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-is-not-inevitable.html

 

I never thought the issue was black and white - stay closed, no "second wave, open up, you'll have a second wave". Happy to see some nuance here for a change. 

 

[Female Frodo]

As this Corona Virus grip the world, I wonder how others are doing. I am worried about a friend who is a sister that work as a nurse at our local hospital. 🤥 The hospital trust converted ordinary wards into covid emergency wards,  they are forced to go through extra training to be of more efficient in emergency care, such as how to transfuse blood etc. She is not happy. She does not want to transfuse blood to patients.

I feel her stress. She feels a lot of pressure. I wonder how our brothers and sisters are doing who works in healthcare sector around the world?😳

[zoebarry]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Some encouraging news, if I can say that:

 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/27/dr-anthony-fauci-says-a-second-wave-of-coronavirus-is-not-inevitable.html

 

I never thought the issue was black and white - stay closed, no "second wave, open up, you'll have a second wave". Happy to see some nuance here for a change. 

 

The current relaxation of COVID restrictions may well be necessary in some areas to allow us to regroup and refocus but understand this, it is temporary.

 

Never in recorded history has there been a pandemic that did not have a 2nd wave that dwarfed the first in terms of severity and the number of deaths.

 

Never.

 

Not once.

 

Not this time either.

 

It will return in September or October in full force.

 

This doesn't mean we have defeated the virus.  It simply means we did a great job fending off the first volley.  And it will be back.  And we will be affected this time.

 

Please take this time to prepare for the inevitable and much more painful second wave of this virus.

  

Stock up on food slowly over the summer so you won't have to go to the grocery store at all in the fall and early to mid-winter.

Grow as much of it yourself as you can.

Invest in the ability to grow food at home to give you access to a healthy-not-out-of-the-box-from-Costco food source. (look into sprouting for example)

Learn to cook and meal plan for the same reason as above.

 

In short, don't waste this precious time because: tougher times are coming again.  Soon.

[trottigy]

5 hours ago, Bob said:

I just divide the number of deaths by the number of total cases in the US:

 

As of today, there are 1,747,781 active cases in the US. There are 102,197 deaths. That's a rate of 0.05 percent. And that doesn't include the number of asymptomatic cases or undercounted deaths. 

 

But that alone isn't helpful. We need the death rates for each age group. So here a link to that info:

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

Just a mathematical note:

 

When you divide as you did the answer is not as a percentage, but just a number. You have to multiply by 100 to get the %.

 

So, it is actually .058 *100= 5.8%

 

(As an example 50/100 =0.50, but that's not 0.5% . Instead multiply by 100 and you have 0.5*100= 50%)

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by trottigy

[Bob]

4 minutes ago, trottigy said:

Just a mathematical note:

 

When you divide as you did the answer is not as a percentage, but just a number. You have to multiply by 100 to get the %.

 

So, it is actually .058 *100= 5.8%

 

 

Gotcha.

53 minutes ago, zoebarry said:

Edited May 28, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

54 minutes ago, zoebarry said:

The current relaxation of COVID restrictions may well be necessary in some areas to allow us to regroup and refocus but understand this, it is temporary.

 

Never in recorded history has there been a pandemic that did not have a 2nd wave that dwarfed the first in terms of severity and the number of deaths.

 

Never.

 

Not once.

 

Not this time either.

 

It will return in September or October in full force.

 

This doesn't mean we have defeated the virus.  It simply means we did a great job fending off the first volley.  And it will be back.  And we will be affected this time.

 

Please take this time to prepare for the inevitable and much more painful second wave of this virus.

  

Stock up on food slowly over the summer so you won't have to go to the grocery store at all in the fall and early to mid-winter.

Grow as much of it yourself as you can.

Invest in the ability to grow food at home to give you access to a healthy-not-out-of-the-box-from-Costco food source. (look into sprouting for example)

Learn to cook and meal plan for the same reason as above.

 

In short, don't waste this precious time because: tougher times are coming again.  Soon.

Question:

 

What exactly causes a “second wave”?

[Tortuga]

3 minutes ago, Bob said:

Question:

 

What exactly causes a “second wave”?

Prov 14:16

[Bob]

5 minutes ago, Bro Richard said:

Prov 14:16

Right, but if everyone is wearing masks and social distancing, like most people are, how will we have a "second wave"? A saying come to mind: Past performance is no guarantee of future success. 

 

In this context, past "seconds waves" is no guarantee of a future one. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

9 minutes ago, Bro Richard said:

Prov 14:16

Don't get me wrong, brother, people and their actions are the causes of second waves. But this time, I believe is different, in part, because of the fear the media has been really pumping. People are actually responsible. I see masks and physical distancing everywhere. You're always going to have you bushel of irresponsible people. But I think we have much more information at our fingertips that ever before which will keep people at bay mostly.

[Tortuga]

20 minutes ago, Bob said:

People are actually responsible. I see masks and physical distancing everywhere.

I wish that was true here.

 

The local Mall opened yesterday and masks are recommended but not required. The local news showed a clip of the opening and very few people were wearing masks or social distancing.

 

I went shopping at Costco on Tuesday and Costco requires masks, however the majority of people that I saw in the store had taken their masks off when they were inside the store.

 

There are protests at the State capital about the Stay At Home order and the protesters were wearing masks but many of them were N95 masks with the exhalation valve, which completely negates the current intended purpose of the mask.

Edited May 28, 2020 by Bro Richard

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Bro Richard said:

I wish that was true here. The local Mall opened yesterday and masks are recommended but not required. The local news showed a clip of the opening and very few people were wearing masks or social distancing. I went shopping at Costco on Tuesday and Costco requires masks, however the majority of people that I saw in the store had taken their masks off when they were inside the store.

In some places here, same deal. So I hear you there. But just like the case with vaccinations, we need about 70 percent of people with immunity to end the pandemic. I think if 70 or 80 percent of the people take the precautions, we can avoid a second wave. 

[Shawnster]

39 minutes ago, Bob said:

Right, but if everyone is wearing masks and social distancing, like most people are, how will we have a "second wave"? A saying come to mind: Past performance is no guarantee of future success. 

 

With the relaxing of restrictions, a lot more people are now coming in contact with each other.  Even with protection, this is still an increase in contact that can result in a resurgence of spread.  Further, watching the news it appears that not all people are following the recommended safety guidelines.  Those that are not following guidelines through laziness, carelessness, or defiance are also going to be sources of greater spread.  Additionally some public events that will be held will allow a greater opportunity of spread.

 

Second waves can also be the result of stronger strains of the virus surfacing or resurfacing.  The stronger strains may spread easier as the weaker strains die out over the summer.  This leads to the fall and winter when those weaker strains are all dead and those stronger strains can run rampant.

 

54 minutes ago, trottigy said:

Just a mathematical note:

 

When you divide as you did the answer is not as a percentage, but just a number. You have to multiply by 100 to get the %.

 

So, it is actually .058 *100= 5.8%

 

(As an example 50/100 =0.50, but that's not 0.5% . Instead multiply by 100 and you have 0.5*100= 50%)

 

 

 

 

CDC is now estimating death rate is less than 1%  https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/tell-me-what-to-do-please-even-experts-struggle-with-coronavirus-unknowns/2020/05/25/e11f9870-9d08-11ea-ad09-8da7ec214672_story.html

 

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The question of the true lethality of the virus remains the subject of controversy. When the CDC put out its guidance last week, it estimated that 0.2 to 1 percent of people who become infected and symptomatic will die. The agency offered a “current best estimate” of 0.4 percent. The agency also gave a best estimate that 35 percent of people infected never develop symptoms. Those numbers when put together would produce an “infection fatality rate” of 0.26, which is lower than many of the estimates produced by scientists and modelers to date.

Science Daily reported the death rate was 1.3%.  https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200518144915.htm  

 

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A new study finds the national U.S. rate of death among people infected with the novel coronavirus -- SARS-CoV-2 -- that causes COVID-19 and who show symptoms is 1.3 percent, the study found. The comparable rate of death for the seasonal flu is 0.1 percent.

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NPR reported similar.  https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/05/28/863944333/antibody-tests-point-to-lower-death-rate-for-the-coronavirus-than-first-thought

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

 

That's in contrast with death rates of 5% or more based on calculations that included only people who got sick enough to be diagnosed with tests that detect the presence of virus in a person's body.

 

 

There must be something more to the math that results in these figures being less than 5.8%

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, Bob said:

People are actually responsible. I see masks and physical distancing everywhere.

Here in Ohio I would say less than half of the people wear masks.  And it's a broad spectrum.  A line of 20 people at the ice cream stand yesterday and only 1 had a mask and she was a teenager.  A lot of young healthy people are not wearing masks.  I work in retail and I'll see older people not wearing masks.  It's really a mixed bag here.

 

In my experience a sizable portion of the populace does not act responsibly.  To add to this mess is the fact that masks are becoming a political issue and dividing people.  There is a vocal minority (or are they the minority?) that are complaining louder and louder about wearing masks. 

[Loopy]

There are those that refuse to wear masks when out in public or refuse to keep safe distance from others. 
 

IMHO that could be part of the reason this thing keeps going.  🤷‍♀️
 

[Bob]

12 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

With the relaxing of restrictions, a lot more people are now coming in contact with each other.  Even with protection, this is still an increase in contact that can result in a resurgence of spread.  Further, watching the news it appears that not all people are following the recommended safety guidelines.  Those that are not following guidelines through laziness, carelessness, or defiance are also going to be sources of greater spread.  Additionally some public events that will be held will allow a greater opportunity of spread.

 

Second waves can also be the result of stronger strains of the virus surfacing or resurfacing.  The stronger strains may spread easier as the weaker strains die out over the summer.  This leads to the fall and winter when those weaker strains are all dead and those stronger strains can run rampant

I agree with everything you said, but the bold part is troubling. The news makes it a point to only focus on the idiots flaunting the rules and painting a broad brush, because the news for some strange reason favors indefinite lockdowns.

 

I hope you check this out. One news station tried to shame people not wearing masks, when it blew up in their faces. I absolutely loved this:

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=news+station+mask+shaming+backfires&docid=13819412372269&mid=E6C659F784EE8765651CE6C659F784EE8765651C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

 

He was mask shaming while half his crew did not have them on. This is all the news does for clicks and ratings. 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Bob

[Shawnster]

 

Texas bar bans customers from wearing masks: 'Sorry, no mask allowed'

 

ELGIN, Texas — Going against the grain, a Texas bar owner is making it clear he does not want people wearing masks in his establishment.

 

Liberty Tree Tavern owner Kevin Smith said he's following social distancing guidelines in his bar, so the masks are unnecessary. He said if people feel they should wear a mask to go out, they should stay at home instead.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/liberty-tree-tavern-face-mask-ban/95-12b5abed-f772-4b30-9f37-341c9f5debb3

 

1 hour ago, Bob said:

 

I hope you check this out. One news station tried to shame people not wearing masks, when it blew up in their faces. I absolutely loved this:

I can't be everywhere so all I have to rely on is news.  Like this :

 

 

No shaming involved, just an honest report that people are gathering and not following recommended guidelines. 

 

https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/entertainment/dining/lago-east-bank-issues-statement-after-patio-seen-packed-with-customers/95-d2954260-af4c-4f3a-9f42-d6812cd63ed9

 

Yes, the news mainly reports on the negative, but that is always the case. I mean, a tornado or flood devastes a city and the news is about the destruction, not what was spared.  

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Shawnster said:

 

Texas bar bans customers from wearing masks: 'Sorry, no mask allowed'

 

ELGIN, Texas — Going against the grain, a Texas bar owner is making it clear he does not want people wearing masks in his establishment.

 

Liberty Tree Tavern owner Kevin Smith said he's following social distancing guidelines in his bar, so the masks are unnecessary. He said if people feel they should wear a mask to go out, they should stay at home instead.

 

https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/liberty-tree-tavern-face-mask-ban/95-12b5abed-f772-4b30-9f37-341c9f5debb3

 

I can't be everywhere so all I have to rely on is news.  Like this :

 

 

No shaming involved, just an honest report that people are gathering and not following recommended guidelines. 

 

https://www.wkyc.com/mobile/article/entertainment/dining/lago-east-bank-issues-statement-after-patio-seen-packed-with-customers/95-d2954260-af4c-4f3a-9f42-d6812cd63ed9

 

Yes, the news mainly reports on the negative, but that is always the case. I mean, a tornado or flood devastes a city and the news is about the destruction, not what was spared.  

Totally disagree. Totally. They were absolutely mask shaming. They even said it seems people don't care because they're not wearing masks. Why do they have to wear masks (1) when they're outside, and (2) well outside of 6ft range?

[Loopy]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

I agree with everything you said, but the bold part is troubling. The news makes it a point to only focus on the idiots flaunting the rules and painting a broad brush, because the news for some strange reason favors indefinite lockdowns.

 

I hope you check this out. One news station tried to shame people not wearing masks, when it blew up in their faces. I absolutely loved this:

 

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=news+station+mask+shaming+backfires&docid=13819412372269&mid=E6C659F784EE8765651CE6C659F784EE8765651C&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

 

He was mask shaming while half his crew did not have them on. This is all the news does for clicks and ratings. 

 

 

Simply shows how hypocritical the media can be. 

[Bob]

3 minutes ago, Loopy said:

Simply shows how hypocritical the media can be. 

Yep. 

[Shawnster]

40 minutes ago, Bob said:

Totally disagree. Totally. They were absolutely mask shaming. They even said it seems people don't care because they're not wearing masks. Why do they have to wear masks (1) when they're outside, and (2) well outside of 6ft range?

nobody in that photo is more than 6ft from anyone.  Except, maybe, that guy on the left in the Carhart shirt.  Even then, he's sitting with someone.  However, in his defense, being seated at a table with a part of 10 or less is legal under Ohio's current restrictions.  

 

But there is no way that couple with her in glasses and the guy in the fluorescent hat will ever be more than 6ft away from guests  

Edited May 28, 2020 by Shawnster

[Bob]

18 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

nobody in that photo is more than 6ft from anyone.

Oh my bad. I was talking about the news report I link you to when the reporter said no one is wearing masks when his own crew wasn't. I'm not saying you DON'T have people ignoring the rules, but the media is totally dishonest in its coverage. They don't talk about the people following the rules.

 

They only focus on Covid deaths and rule breakers. World News Tonight with David Muir last night (A NATIONAL NEWS OUTLET) spent 10 minutes talking about a "Milestone" of 100k deaths. NO COVERAGE was given to the 500k recoveries.

 

So they love zapping hope and keeping people living in fear. They are allergic to anything that inspires hope and a light at the end of the tunnel. I choose not to trust it. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

20 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

nobody in that photo is more than 6ft from anyone.

Local media and government in Southeast Michigan are both deliberately hiding positive information. 

 

They report new cases and deaths at 3pm daily. But they only report recoveries ONCE A WEEK on SATURDAY. So who is watching the news on a Saturday outside of business hours?

 

What a joke. What a scam. What a fraud. 

Edited May 28, 2020 by Bob

[Tortuga]

Just now, Bob said:

What a joke. What a scam. What a fraud. 

What a surprise? 

[Bob]

2 minutes ago, Bro Richard said:

What a surprise? 

You got it, bro!

[Friends just call me Ross]