The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[tuntun]

There should be someone here create a special thread regarding the treatment for coronavirus infections.

Since there is no standard drugs available, many  just try to use drugs that have been used for other diseases. for example drugs for ebola.

Since the best and currently available coronavirus treatment therapy is by using blood plasma which is certainly against our belief.

it makes me worry. it could be a brother/sister who is unconsciously receiving therapy without his/her knowledge or through coercion.

[carlos]

5 hours ago, Bob said:

But if I can be fully honest, there is a theme in the media and the world at large, even among us, that people who contracted COVID “aren’t taking it seriously”. Every time someone shares their covid story, the FIRST thing out of the mouths is “you need to take this seriously”. Its really, in my opinion, an insult to people who are taking this seriously. 

I understand that viewpoint, Bob. I haven't seen people blaming victims in general, but I agree it would be wrong to do that.

[pnutts]

New Brunswick had No cases for several weeks then 1 young man visited some one who had come back from US. He spread it to a dozen or more.

[Bob]

2 hours ago, carlos said:

I understand that viewpoint, Bob. I haven't seen people blaming victims in general, but I agree it would be wrong to do that.

I think its more media driven in the US since this country has basically made it a political issue. That's really unfortunate. 

[Shawnster]

6 minutes ago, Bob said:

I think its more media driven in the US since this country has basically made it a political issue. That's really unfortunate. 

I don't watch much news anymore, so I may not be fully cognizant of how the media is pushing things.  

 

Maybe it's better to not feed too much on the news.  

 

 

[Bob]

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Don't we experience the same thing, though, whenever we hear a local needs talk that centers on conduct, especially if there is a serious problem in our congregation or circuit?  The counsel isn't directed at us or anyone who is continuing to remain loyal to Jehovah, yet we sit there and listen to the same chastisement as those who are doing wrong.  

I knew someone was going to say this. I don't mind. The thing is, when we are reminded to avoid bad behavior, the organization does not accuse us of ignoring scripture. So, you don't hear statements to the effect of "fellow Witnesses aren't taking the Bible seriously" or some variation of that. 

Unlike the media and world at large, we are always commended for the efforts we put forth BEFORE the counsel comes. Its just condemnation and doom-saying in the media and world as a whole.

 

 

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

On this we disagree.  Most of the people I've seen in my daily travels were not wearing masks prior to the Ohio governor's mandate last week (or going on two weeks now).   Plus, I'm sure you've likewise seen the news reports of crowded bars, pubs, and even beaches where people are not social distancing nor wearing PPE.  The county fairs in Ohio were originally planned to continue provided appropriate measures were taken but they now have all been placed under restrictions because people were not taking this seriously.   Honestly, I've not seen any location where the majority are taking this seriously.

I will find a poll that was taken that showed most people wore masks and stopped traveling BEFORE the mandates to do so came down into temporary law. Yes, I saw the reports and pictures of crowded areas. However, if all they show are people violating the rules, that's all you will see. Its mostly anecdotal.

 

But that goes back to my point that you will NEVER get 100 percent compliance. In fact, that's why we still have local needs parts. Humans and humans, and people are people. We are imperfect. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

On top of that, as we've seen in other cases throughout history, even if it's only the minority that are not taking this seriously, disaster can happen.  Typhoid Mary was just (supposedly) one person.  The amount of asymptomatic people is probably small when compared to the whole, yet those asymptomatic people can wreck havoc if they are careless.

You can't blame people for innocently spreading Covid if they don't know they have it, precautions or not.

 

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Honestly I've not seen any accusations or assumptions about whether a Covid victim was taking this seriously or not.  Personally, I've never given the first thought to being judgemental when I hear someone contracted Covid.  I've only been judgemental when reading Facebook comments of those who present an attitude or speak as if all this is stupid, a hoax, government overreach, a seizure of our rights and liberties, and so forth...  

Fair point, brother. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

On the other hand, aren't we like that with anyone in any accident?  You read a news article about a traffic accident and many times there will be a mention that "alcohol was not involved."  Why is that?  Is there an automatic assumption that a person in a traffic accident was drunk?  What about wearing a seat belt?  If a news article about a traffic accident mentions seat belts, does that mean there is someone somewhere judging the accident and assuming the driver or passengers were not taking safety measures?  

 

This happens all the time.  Why should Covid be any different?

Because drunk driving has a LONG, documented history. Covid is new. Only about 5 months old. 

[Bob]

7 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I don't watch much news anymore, so I may not be fully cognizant of how the media is pushing things.  

 

Maybe it's better to not feed too much on the news.  

 

 

I don't myself, but I just follow what's going on. I don't watch the news really at all myself.

[Bob]

@Shawnster and I just wanted to add, since we know that no precaution stops the spread completely, asymptomatic people still can spread it WITH precautions. The virus itself is the main problem. 

[EccentricM]

6 hours ago, tuntun said:

Since the best and currently available coronavirus treatment therapy is by using blood plasma which is certainly against our belief.

it makes me worry. it could be a brother/sister who is unconsciously receiving therapy without his/her knowledge or through coercion

That's why we have blood cards, they are legally bound.

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

I knew someone was going to say this. I don't mind. The thing is, when we are reminded to avoid bad behavior, the organization does not accuse us of ignoring scripture. So, you don't hear statements to the effect of "fellow Witnesses aren't taking the Bible seriously" or some variation of that. 

 

And yet, when someone is disfellowshipped isn't it the result of that person ignoring scripture?  Did the disfellowshipped person take the Bible seriously?  
 

1 hour ago, Bob said:

You can't blame people for innocently spreading Covid if they don't know they have it, precautions or not.

 

Why not?  If you repeatedly remind someone to take safety precautions and they choose not to and the result is something bad, then why can we not hold them responsible for not taking the safety precautions they were repeatedly reminded to take?  Are they innocently spreading Covid if they ignored the advice to take precautions?

[Tortuga]

12 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

If you repeatedly remind someone to take safety precautions and they choose not to and the result is something bad, then why can we not hold them responsible for not taking the safety precautions they were repeatedly reminded to take?  Are they innocently spreading Covid if they ignored the advice to take precautions?

Ezekiel 3: 17-21?

[pnutts]

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

And yet, when someone is disfellowshipped isn't it the result of that person ignoring scripture?  Did the disfellowshipped person take the Bible seriously? 

Sure they didn’t take it seriously. But those represent the minority. Most jws take the Bible seriously and are never DF’d. 
 

And that is the point I wanted to make. 
 

1 hour ago, Shawnster said:

Why not?  If you repeatedly remind someone to take safety precautions and they choose not to and the result is something bad, then why can we not hold them responsible for not taking the safety precautions they were repeatedly reminded to take?  Are they innocently spreading Covid if they ignored the advice to take precautions?

Well, if they refuse to take precautions, yes, they are the blame. 
 

But since the precautions are far from full proof, we will have spread of the virus because of the lack of total prevention. 
 

We can slow the spread, but we cannot prevent it or stop it. 

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

Selected areas in the State of Victoria in Australia (primarily Melbourne) is going to Stage 4 - Full Lock-down. Retail is closing for 6 weeks. Supermarkets will close daily by 8pm for the curfew (8pm - 5am)

It's going to be tuff down there!

Pharmacy and banks are considered essential and will trade. Most everything else will be cut back or closed.

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

 

[GoldAussieGirl]

1 hour ago, Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz said:

Selected areas in the State of Victoria in Australia (primarily Melbourne) is going to Stage 4 - Full Lock-down. Retail is closing for 6 weeks. Supermarkets will close daily by 8pm for the curfew (8pm - 5am)

It's going to be tuff down there!

Pharmacy and banks are considered essential and will trade. Most everything else will be cut back or closed.

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

 

I feel so sorry for the parents trying to work from home & do home learning while being strictly isolated too. I only did it for a few weeks earlier in the year and it almost broke me. It’s very diffferent to ‘home schooling’ because there’s so much pressure to hand in specific work each day. I found it very stressful 

[AH173]

2 hours ago, GoldAussieGirl said:

I feel so sorry for the parents trying to work from home & do home learning while being strictly isolated too. I only did it for a few weeks earlier in the year and it almost broke me. It’s very diffferent to ‘home schooling’ because there’s so much pressure to hand in specific work each day. I found it very stressful 

Just heard a Dr. Lipi Roy on msnbc that from recent studies show that  children are the primary spreaders of Covid-19. Wow. I didn't hear it expressed like that before. 

[GoldAussieGirl]

35 minutes ago, AH173 said:

Just heard a Dr. Lipi Roy on msnbc that from recent studies show that  children are the primary spreaders of Covid-19. Wow. I didn't hear it expressed like that before. 

Doesn’t surprise me. Children don’t know how to social distance and their hygiene standards can leave a lot to be desired 🤢

[Hotteok]

Plus children don't show symptoms, not feeling any pain and so won't ask to be quarantined. 

[Shawnster]

52 minutes ago, AH173 said:

Just heard a Dr. Lipi Roy on msnbc that from recent studies show that  children are the primary spreaders of Covid-19. Wow. I didn't hear it expressed like that before. 

Can you provide a link to the story or video for those of us who missed it? 

[AH173]

I was listening to Sirius xm msnbc simulcast. It was between 645 and 7am edt. 

[Bob]

Not so fast:

 

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The study, published in the journal JAMA Pediatrics, raises the possibility that young kids may be able to spread COVID-19 as easily as adults, even if they aren't that sick.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/study-hints-young-children-may-spread-covid-19-easily-adults-n1235301

 

And at least the article admits more research is needed. 

[AH173]

Going over briefly, she quoted a south Korean study and a Jama study. It was at 651am mark of show. 

 

Something like ages 9 to 15 and aound and 5yrs old that the studies dealt with. 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2020 by AH173
Update

[Shawnster]

13 minutes ago, Bob said:

Not so fast:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/study-hints-young-children-may-spread-covid-19-easily-adults-n1235301

 

And at least the article admits more research is needed. 

Thanks,  I did a quick search but the most recent information I found from her was from May.  (It was quick and I was only looking at videos).

[AH173]

I briefly look at my YouTube tv recording. It may show up on YouTube or elsewhere shortly. I'm at work now. 

[AH173]

9 hours ago, Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz said:

Selected areas in the State of Victoria in Australia (primarily Melbourne) is going to Stage 4 - Full Lock-down. Retail is closing for 6 weeks. Supermarkets will close daily by 8pm for the curfew (8pm - 5am)

It's going to be tuff down there!

Pharmacy and banks are considered essential and will trade. Most everything else will be cut back or closed.

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

 

Just read an article about this. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/03/australia/australia-melbourne-coronavirus-intl-hnk/index.html

 

What is Australian government doing to assist in lock down affected areas? 

 

USA seemingly can't agree on assistance.