Peace and Security, Great Tribulation, Armageddon

[Richie]

25 minutes ago, Richie said:

Putin warns of escalating the conflict to 'a whole new level'

IMO, no peace will happen from them only a desire of peace.

[JennyM]

With the ongoing pushing and nuclear war threat, I wonder if this system will still live for another 10 yrs. 

[Richie]

3 minutes ago, JennyM said:

With the ongoing pushing and nuclear war threat, I wonder if this system will still live for another 10 yrs. 

In my personal understanding to the God's prophecy at the end of GT prior to armageddon. The pushing of KOTN and NATO nations will last until this time. I don't expect P&S from both sides. P&S event might be in the other issue. For now, we have two critical wars, 1) Russian-Ukraine and 2) Israel Hamas War - where the literal Jerusalem is the primary issue from Arab world.

[Richie]

https://jcpa.org/video/the-united-nations-war-on-israel/

The United Nations’ War on Israel

 

Just observing if this 2nd fulfillfment of this prophecy is linked to literal place.

*For the sake of others, "disgusting thing" symbolizes to UN.

 

[Richie]

https://jcpa.org/why-do-iran-and-hizbullah-crave-jerusalem/

Why Do Iran and Hizbullah Crave Jerusalem?

[Dages]

4 hours ago, Richie said:

https://jcpa.org/video/the-united-nations-war-on-israel/

The United Nations’ War on Israel

 

Just observing if this 2nd fulfillfment of this prophecy is linked to literal place.

*For the sake of others, "disgusting thing" symbolizes to UN.

 

The first was related to the literal Jerusalem, It's not longer the case as Jerusalem is now eschatologically irrelevant.

I'll raise an eyebrow when the blue helmets are raiding Warwick

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[Richie]

17 minutes ago, Dages said:

The first was related to the literal Jerusalem, It's not longer the case as Jerusalem is now eschatologically irrelevant.

I'll raise an eyebrow when the blue helmets are raiding Warwick

IMO its only an indication for next event (UN attack to BTG). For now, type and antitype are no longer applicable for this text as long as there is no Biblical contexts support, as per latest update. 

Edited March 14 by Richie

[LeolaRootStew]

50 minutes ago, Dages said:

The first was related to the literal Jerusalem, It's not longer the case as Jerusalem is now eschatologically irrelevant.

I'll raise an eyebrow when the blue helmets are raiding Warwick

 

So if World Headquarters gets raided by police, that might be our signal to "flee to the mountains"? I haven't really thought about these verses being fulfilled today. Does anyone have more information?

[Richie]

10 minutes ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

So if World Headquarters gets raided by police, that might be our signal to "flee to the mountains"? I haven't really thought about these verses being fulfilled today. Does anyone have more information?

The attack on God's people will happen in the near future by Gog. So far, Gog has no definite identity yet might be some of us already have it in mind. Another question comes, Gog cannot do an attack on Jehovah's people where they are banned like in middle east, North Korea, China and so on. 

 

Fleeing to the mountain is a symbolical words for going to spiritual refuge and stop having consumed by worldly affairs that can hinder someone from being sliritual awake.  

 

Once we see the disgusting thing standing in the holy place, this is the turning point to make a move like fleeing to the symbolic mountain. 

Edited March 14 by Richie

[Sofia]

7 hours ago, Richie said:

Just observing if this 2nd fulfillfment of this prophecy is linked to literal place.

*For the sake of others, "disgusting thing" symbolizes to UN.

Who knows?

but seems that the holy place will be BTG. UN stacking it will be our signal that GT has started just like in 66EC Roman army upon the holy place set up their tribulation starting 

[mjcabz]

2 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

So if World Headquarters gets raided by police, that might be our signal to "flee to the mountains"? I haven't really thought about these verses being fulfilled today. Does anyone have more information?

w13 7/15 1:6 explain that

[Richie]

18 minutes ago, mjcabz said:

w13 7/15 1:6 explain that

Please see below from the book "pure worship". That is the latest.... 

[Dages]

3 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

So if World Headquarters gets raided by police, that might be our signal to "flee to the mountains"? I haven't really thought about these verses being fulfilled today. Does anyone have more information?

We don't know, we will have instruction in due time.

[Richie]

23 minutes ago, Richie said:

Please see below from the book "pure worship". That is the latest.... 

If Christendom has never been in truth since its inception. It is logically to say that BTG has also never been in pure worship since then. It's only my understanding.. 

Edited March 14 by Richie

[Tortuga]

3 hours ago, LeolaRootStew said:

 

So if World Headquarters gets raided by police, that might be our signal to "flee to the mountains"? I haven't really thought about these verses being fulfilled today. Does anyone have more information?

Let's just wait and see....

[Richie]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/14/middle-east-crisis-live-updates-israel-gaza-khan-younis-tel-aviv

 

US Senate majority leader Schumer: Netanyahu is 'major obstacle to peace' and should call election in Israel

[cme]

Come, Lord Jesus, Come!

[trottigy]

2 hours ago, mjcabz said:

w13 7/15 1:6 explain that

 

Thank you for posting this. This is the latest information from the slave that we have on these verses.

[Doug]

35 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

Thank you for posting this. This is the latest information from the slave that we have on these verses.

 

Is our latest understand the 2013 WT explaining that Christendom is the antitypical Jerusalem  .   .

 

Or the 2018 Pure Worship explaining there is no solid Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem ?

[Mike047]

We always follow the latest update to our understanding

[vern]

News to me that attack on apostate christendom would fullfil the second standing in a holy place as for Gods opinion they aren.t holy.  But i guess jewish nation temple was abandoned in 36CE.

 

So i guess its possible...

 

But i.ve always thought spiritual isreal.  Definitely not physical Isreal or temple.

[trottigy]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

 

Is our latest understand the 2013 WT explaining that Christendom is the antitypical Jerusalem  .   .

 

Or the 2018 Pure Worship explaining there is no solid Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the antitypical Jerusalem ?

 

You will note that the 2013 Watchtower does NOT use the term "anittypical". That was the point in the pure worship book.

 

The Pure Worship book noted: 

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In the past, our literature has referred to Christendom as the antitype of apostate Jerusalem. The conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—including idolatry and widespread corruption—certainly remind us of what is happening in Christendom. 

 

And then added:

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However, in recent years our publications, including the one you are now reading, have not taken the type-antitype approach to prophecy except where the Bible provides a clear basis for doing so.

 

So, that 2013 Watchtower did NOT take the type / anti-type approach. 

 

Therfore, this is the latest info on Matthew 24: 15 & 16:

 

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In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530

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[Doug]

22 minutes ago, trottigy said:

 

You will note that the 2013 Watchtower does NOT use the term "anittypical". That was the point in the pure worship book.

 

 

Got it, thanks.    If I were to explain it to someone, I would say "Christendom is not antitypical Jerusalem. It's just another false religion. One that happens to claim faith in Jesus Christ. However, when the 'disgusting thing', the UN, attacks, it will start with Christendom, which is viewed as 'a holy place' by its followers.

In this scenario, the UN plays the role of the Roman army as 'the disgusting thing', but Christendom doesn't play the role of apostate Jerusalem.  Christendom is 'a holy place' only in the minds of its followers.

 

There doesn't seem to be an explanation of why 'a holy place' is identified with Christendom (as viewed by the followers) when there are other false religions that are probably more pharisaicaly passionate and view their religion as 'a holy place'.

 

So, does it come back to Christendom's hypocritical form of belief in the Bible and Jesus?  Or maybe it will be due to something outrageous that Christendom does to light the fuse, such as meddling in politics?

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Doug said:

So, does it come back to Christendom's hypocritical form of belief in the Bible and Jesus?  Or maybe it will be due to something outrageous that Christendom does to light the fuse, such as meddling in politics

We have to wait and see the unfolding of this.

In my personal opinion UN must oust the Vatican / Holy See as a permanent observer.

It seems a big privilege in contrast to

other religions.

[trottigy]

2 hours ago, Doug said:

 

Got it, thanks.    If I were to explain it to someone, I would say "Christendom is not antitypical Jerusalem. It's just another false religion. One that happens to claim faith in Jesus Christ. However, when the 'disgusting thing', the UN, attacks, it will start with Christendom, which is viewed as 'a holy place' by its followers.

In this scenario, the UN plays the role of the Roman army as 'the disgusting thing', but Christendom doesn't play the role of apostate Jerusalem.  Christendom is 'a holy place' only in the minds of its followers.

 

There doesn't seem to be an explanation of why 'a holy place' is identified with Christendom (as viewed by the followers) when there are other false religions that are probably more pharisaicaly passionate and view their religion as 'a holy place'.

 

So, does it come back to Christendom's hypocritical form of belief in the Bible and Jesus?  Or maybe it will be due to something outrageous that Christendom does to light the fuse, such as meddling in politics?

 

Or, you could just state - this is the attack primarily by the UN against religion (without specifically pointing to Christendom). As most consider religion (especially their own) as sacred. And to support this you could point to Revelation 17:16-18 about who the harlot is. You could even discuss similarities between that account and this one.

 

If asked specifically about Christendom... It's not difficult to point out that she is a large and vocal portion of that harlot. So, we are teaching she goes first ... How quick before the others parts of the harlot or maybe even all at the same time? We don't know.

 

Edit: but what we know for sure is Matthew 24:15 and 16 has nothing to do with what's going on in Israel right now.

Edited March 14 by trottigy