Watchtower - study edition - July 2022

[cme]

12 hours ago, Sofia said:

I found interesting this paragraph 19 on page 19: "The selection of those making up the secondary part of the offspring is nearing completion. "

meaning the 144.000 total number isnt full yet. Still on the selection, until the final sealing, which hasnt occur yet.

 

I see this Watchtower is much useful for the news in the truth, and the students to get acquainted with most important prophecies.  

 

Also from same study, this incredibly useful chronology:

Sofia, I realized that if the count of the 144,000 is still not complete then, there can be another memorial next year.  These that come in at a later hour will have to partake of the emblems.  Any opinions?

[jayrtom]

 

5 hours ago, Domin said:

I'm sorry for the translation, but if you wanted to copy what I've said, I didn't say that I suspected it was the UN, it was the UN. (You can see in the drawing that it is clearly the UN)

In any case, I appreciate that it is corrected by Google translation as I did not know that I had translated it wrong. 😔

Domingo, the sister @happiness IS didn't say you suspected it was UN, she just said she suspected the letters "ONU" you wrote, meant UN in English

ONU is Sapnish (also in Portuguese) meams Organization of the United Nations which is the same as the English "United Nations"

31 minutes ago, cme said:

Sofia, I realized that if the count of the 144,000 is still not complete then, there can be another memorial next year.  These that come in at a later hour will have to partake of the emblems.  Any opinions?

Don't forget the article was written probably more than year ago, probably even before the 2021 memorial

I also would expect that the last ones to be selected would partake at the last memorial

[booboo]

13 hours ago, Sofia said:

found interesting this paragraph 19 on page 19: "The selection of those making up the secondary part of the offspring is nearing completion. "

meaning the 144.000 total number isnt full yet. Still on the selection, until the final sealing, which hasnt occur yet.

Interesting indeed🧐🧐🤔

[cme]

Jayrtom, I realized that after I quoted the above.  I gave it some thought and remembered that this WT was written way in advance.  So, I must agree with you on that matter.  Maybe this was the last memorial.  We know that Jehovah knows those that belong to him.

 

I see rapidly changing circumstances on the world scene.  Everything that was prophesied is being displayed right before our eyes.

[Sun]

54 minutes ago, jayrtom said:

 

Domingo, la hermana@felicidad es no dijo que sospechabas que era ONU, solo dijo que sospechaba que las letras "ONU" que escribiste, significaban ONU en inglés

ONU es español (también en portugués) significa Organización de las Naciones Unidas que es lo mismo que el inglés "Naciones Unidas"

No olvide que el artículo fue escrito probablemente hace más de un año, probablemente incluso antes del memorial de 2021.

También esperaría que los últimos en ser seleccionados participen en el último memorial.

Forgive me both of you, especially sister Felicidad, also understand me but I also mistranslate sometimes, I have jwtalk activated with google translator so I also misunderstood.

[Susan Cook]

I am not sure there is a scripture that stipulates that one of the anointed MUST partake of the earthly emblems at least once before receiving their heavenly reward…. Let’s not go beyond what is written 😎

[Susan Cook]

58 minutes ago, jayrtom said:

 

Domingo, the sister @happiness IS didn't say you suspected it was UN, she just said she suspected the letters "ONU" you wrote, meant UN in English

ONU is Sapnish (also in Portuguese) meams Organization of the United Nations which is the same as the English "United Nations"

Don't forget the article was written probably more than year ago, probably even before the 2021 memorial

I also would expect that the last ones to be selected would partake at the last memorial

Perhaps it was written more than a year ago, but if an event or circumstance did change that refuted something they had written, surely the article would not be ‘pushed out ‘ without first being revised.. they have a huge lead time to make such revisions before publication as we don’t study these articles for many months after 

[carlos]

51 minutes ago, Susan Cook said:

I am not sure there is a scripture that stipulates that one of the anointed MUST partake of the earthly emblems at least once before receiving their heavenly reward…. Let’s not go beyond what is written 😎

As you say, there is no scriptural reason, as far as I know, preventing someone from being anointed between the last Memorial and the start of the GT. It was just a reasonable suggestion. It seems logical that all those anointed partake at some point from the emblems. But it doesn't necessarily have to be so.

 

On the other hand, there is no scriptural reason hinting this was or wasn't the last Memorial. We don't know how long the GT will be either. Depending on how long, there could be one or more Memorials held during the tribulation. We simply don't know.

[GeordieGirl]

14 hours ago, Tortuga said:

That's odd. I noticed that the 2022 Convention program is still available on WOL but it isn't in JW.org or JWLiibrary either.

Bit confused here.  If you mean the 2021 Convention program, it is still on jw.org.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/2021-Convention-Program/

 

No sign of anything about the 2022 convention except that we'll be singing the new song at the end of Living as Christians meeting in the week of 30th May - 5th June.

[cme]

18 minutes ago, Susan Cook said:

I am not sure there is a scripture that stipulates that one of the anointed MUST partake of the earthly emblems at least once before receiving their heavenly reward…. Let’s not go beyond what is written 😎

Who Knows? However Jehovah sees fit what He will do.  Not everything is spelled out in the Bible.  So, I don't see how your statement applies.  Who is going beyond what is written?  These are opinions here.

[booboo]

9 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

No sign of anything about the 2022 convention except that we'll be singing the new song at the end of Living as Christians meeting in the week of 30th May - 5th Jun

The 2022 convention program was on wol.jw.org a few days ago. It was mentioned in a post someplace here. But it is off the website now. 

[Susan Cook]

13 minutes ago, cme said:

Who Knows? However Jehovah sees fit what He will do.  Not everything is spelled out in the Bible.  So, I don't see how your statement applies.  Who is going beyond what is written?  These are opinions here.

I was replying to your definite statement that those that come in at a later hour MUST partake of the emblems. And my statement was that there is no scriptural support for this ( that I know of right now )

Edited April 20, 2022 by Susan Cook

[jwhess]

18 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

Bit confused here.  If you mean the 2021 Convention program, it is still on jw.org.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/2021-Convention-Program/

 

No sign of anything about the 2022 convention except that we'll be singing the new song at the end of Living as Christians meeting in the week of 30th May - 5th June.

For the last few days, the 2022 RC program has been available on WOL site under "publications" then "programs" and it was at the top of the list.

 

I just went there now (9am EST on April 20,2022) and it is gone now.

[Susan Cook]

12 hours ago, Jonadab said:

What publication is that on the table? 😂

That image on the TV would not look out of place in the Pure Worship book!

[Susan Cook]

10 hours ago, Doug said:

The image of the feet of iron mixed with clay is interesting.  Can see the political leaders, diplomats and so forth, being protected by the soldiers or police in riot gear.  Protecting the ruling class from the commoners.  The UN Security Council circular desk in the background.

 

Also, many in the crowd behind the barricade are wearing pandemic masks!   Whoa!!!   That puts it right in our day.

 

Another detail, the ones looking at their phones or tablets have a red light reflecting off of their devices.  Like explosions with cities on fire!!!!  Par. 8  "We can expect world distress to increase as Armageddon draws ever nearer."

I appreciate your post here! I went back to the picture you mentioned and zoomed right in on different areas.. 😮 wow! So much to see…. Yeah, I wonder what that red light is all about! I see it 3 times there 

I also see EU, Canada, Japan, and US flags in that row 

Looks like perhaps there is an action or decision from the UN that really agitates & motivates the sea of mankind into massive protests..

Also, some of the people have looks of shock / horror on their faces…

Edited April 20, 2022 by Susan Cook

[Tortuga]

41 minutes ago, GeordieGirl said:

Bit confused here.  If you mean the 2021 Convention program, it is still on jw.org.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/2021-Convention-Program/

 

No sign of anything about the 2022 convention except that we'll be singing the new song at the end of Living as Christians meeting in the week of 30th May - 5th June.

As John pointed out, the 2022 Convention program has been available on WOL for over a week, the title is still there but it appears the program itself was recently removed. The entire 2022 Convention program had been available on WOL but was not available in JWLibrary or on JW.org. I'm sorry that you missed it.

Publications — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY (jw.org)

Edited April 20, 2022 by Tortuga

[carlos]

27 minutes ago, Susan Cook said:

I was replying to your definite statement that those that come in at a later hour MUST partake of the emblems. And my statement was that there is no scriptural support for this ( that I know of right now )

Susan, it was not a statement. After mentioning that, sister Carmen asked: "Any opinions?". So she suggested something and asked for opinions. That's all that's being discussed here, possibilities, thoughts, opinions.

[jayrtom]

56 minutes ago, Susan Cook said:

I am not sure there is a scripture that stipulates that one of the anointed MUST partake of the earthly emblems at least once before receiving their heavenly reward…. Let’s not go beyond what is written 😎

Sure, I was just expressing a feeling. Like the song goes

"Feelings... nothing more but  feelings...🎼🎷🎸🎵🎶"

53 minutes ago, Susan Cook said:

Perhaps it was written more than a year ago, but if an event or circumstance did change that refuted something they had written, surely the article would not be ‘pushed out ‘ without first being revised.. they have a huge lead time to make such revisions before publication as we don’t study these articles for many months after 

I think that's not how the revision works. An rticle is revised, finished, sent out for translation and that's it. By the time it's out their revising other issues. Don't know if they have time to revise everything again when something happens.

 

For example, when a change comes in the AM, they don't change the publications written beforehand

Besides, there is nothing really in need of change there. They don't know if this is the last memorial or not. They didn't know a year ago and still don't know now

[luisenriquereyes]

15 hours ago, Jonadab said:

https://www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&prefer=lang&docid=2022483

in the jw app 

Another excellent illustration to add to my album.  Here is my album of the giant image from Daniel chapter 2 in our publications throughout the years:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/i3EBGzcXgjtC3Dn47

[Parale]

1 hour ago, GeordieGirl said:

No sign of anything about the 2022 convention

As other's have said, it was available on the official JW website, via the Watchtower Online Library section.

 

If you want to see the program listings for the forthcoming 2022 convention - days / times / talk titles / scriptures - then download this 🙂

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by Parale

[Br. Ice]

1 hour ago, luisenriquereyes said:

Another excellent illustration to add to my album.  Here is my album of the giant image from Daniel chapter 2 in our publications throughout the years:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/i3EBGzcXgjtC3Dn47

Now all that is left to do is put 1 more piece of the puzzle in place.

Edited April 20, 2022 by Br. Ice

[Dhanyel]

Really the image is sensational as well highlighted by Douglas and Susan.... events that are happening before our eyes. Daniel 2:44

[Dustparticle]

 

 A little homework on page 6 with the flags on the bottom left hand corner. Left to right. 1. European Union? 2. Canada 3. Japan 4. USA 5. Italy 6? 7? 8. Britain. 9. France. Any thoughts or corrections?

[Br. Ice]

47 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

7?

Germany

[Doug]

6 hours ago, AH173 said:

I'm hoping for the cobe to ask all servant body and other brothers with the privilege 9f offering prayer, to a go over in earnest the study article about prayer.

 

Article 31- Treasure Your Privilege of Prayer. 

 

Yes. Something that has bothered me is when the brother praying at the end of the meeting throws in one more point of counsel as a reminder.  Sometimes the brother gets so far off track in his prayer that he uses Jehovah's name in the third-person. Although he is speaking TO Jehovah !!!

And the bit about not making announcements in the prayer.  Announcements can jolt a congregation.  For example, announcing that so-and-so died, praying for their family, can be a shock during the prayer!   A brother needs to use discretion. Making announcements is showing off, about having insider information.