The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Hope]

10 hours ago, Qapla said:

Thinking of you, Uani - hope you continue Covid Free

If I get sick, I'm murdering my brothers. On principle. 🤨

[Michał]

Officially in Poland we have 7 day average of 2500 cases daily (for a country of 38 000 000 people). In March the government decided to abandon virtually all testing. 
 

Based on sewer testing (mentioned some posts earlier) some people estimate than in reality we have between 100 000 and 150 000 cases daily. 
 

From what I can see the only people in Poland wearing masks are surgeons/nurses and JWs in Kingdom Halls. 

[WilliamChew]

Estimated 60% of S'pore population of 6 million  infected by Covid-19 to date, latest wave subsiding

 

Despite the high infection rate, Mr Ong said that this does not mean Singapore has “herd immunity” and that even if the infection rate hits 100 per cent, the country will not have achieved this status.

 

“By and large, scientists around the world do not think herd immunity is achievable because the virus will continue to mutate, escape the protection of vaccines and then infect people,” he said.

 

Instead, he said what is “achievable” is population protection against severe illnesses through vaccinations. 

“This is what enables the healthcare system to weather through an infection wave even with high case numbers because the translation of case numbers into severe illnesses is very low,” he said

[Sofia]

21 minutes ago, WilliamChew said:

Estimated 60% of S'pore population of 6 million  infected by Covid-19 to date, latest wave subsiding

 

Despite the high infection rate, Mr Ong said that this does not mean Singapore has “herd immunity” and that even if the infection rate hits 100 per cent, the country will not have achieved this status.

 

“By and large, scientists around the world do not think herd immunity is achievable because the virus will continue to mutate, escape the protection of vaccines and then infect people,” he said.

 

Instead, he said what is “achievable” is population protection against severe illnesses through vaccinations. 

“This is what enables the healthcare system to weather through an infection wave even with high case numbers because the translation of case numbers into severe illnesses is very low,” he said

Anyway... the way people are getting it, natural immunity will be possible and help prevent serious illness. Actual vaccines are very ineffective against the actual variants.

[coolbrz731]

24 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Anyway... the way people are getting it, natural immunity will be possible and help prevent serious illness. Actual vaccines are very ineffective against the actual variants.

I was having this conversation with my brother in law this morning.  I was telling him that we can be resistant to future variants, like we are to the flu, but not absolutely immune.  I tried to tell him it's like getting the flu, but our immune systems won't let it develop into bronchitis or pneumonia.  You can still be a carrier, even sick, but you're not in danger.  Was I being accurate in that description?

[Sofia]

I advise everyone interested in immunity to read this paper:

 

 

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/immunity-walls?r=1m1eqk&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

 

@coolbrz731 here s the answer given by a World Class specialist ☺️☺️

[Hugh O'D]

5 hours ago, Sofia said:

Actual vaccines are very ineffective against the actual variants.

Mayo clinic doesn't agree

https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-ba-5-omicron-variant/

 

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"Right now, we don't have any evidence that it leads to a higher death rate. So that's good," says Dr. Poland. "Nonetheless, among the unvaccinated with this variant, they're about fivefold more likely to get infected than people who have been vaccinated and boosted, about 7½ times more likely to be hospitalized, and about 14 to 15 times more likely to die if they get infected."

 

 

Still, as Paul said

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Galatians,6:5

For each one will carry his own load

 

[Brother_Bliss]

6 hours ago, Sofia said:

Actual vaccines are very ineffective against the actual variants.

You do realize the entire medical community disagrees with this statement, yeah? All the current approved vaccines in the U.S. reduce your risk of serious illness. 

 

 

 

[zoebarry]

10 minutes ago, Brother_Bliss said:

You do realize the entire medical community disagrees with this statement, yeah? All the current approved vaccines in the U.S. reduce your risk of serious illness. 

 

 

 

How do we know? Where are the studies to prove this? They have never been shown, because they don’t exist.

 

How would a vaccinated person know that the vaccine prevented him from being hospitalized? How would a person know how sick they WOULD HAVE BEEN  if they hadn’t received a vaccine?

 

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by zoebarry

[Brother_Bliss]

20 minutes ago, zoebarry said:

How do we know? Where are the studies to prove this?

Literally every government, every hospital, every vaccine producer - there are studies and data to be found everywhere.

 

22 minutes ago, zoebarry said:

How would a vaccinated person know that the vaccine prevented him from being hospitalized? How would a person know how sick they WOULD HAVE BEEN  if they hadn’t received a vaccine?

You can take a guess based on your age and compare it to the data. Unvaccinated people continue to occupy the most hospital beds and are statistically more likely to die.

 

 

 

 

[Sofia]

1 hour ago, Brother_Bliss said:

All the current approved vaccines in the U.S. reduce your risk of serious illness. 

 

I am saying that actual vaccines cant prevent disease,

I am NOT saying then cant prevent SERIOUS illness.

two different statements.

 

There isnt a single vaccine that can prevent you from getting omicron. Everyone susceptible will get it sooner or later. Unless other types of vaccines are developed and used.

Of course, in some cases, vaccines CAN prevent SERIOUS illness. I dont argue with that.  

Edited August 1, 2022 by Sofia

[AH173]

3 hours ago, zoebarry said:

How do we know? Where are the studies to prove this? They have never been shown, because they don’t exist.

 

How would a vaccinated person know that the vaccine prevented him from being hospitalized? How would a person know how sick they WOULD HAVE BEEN  if they hadn’t received a vaccine?

 

 

For my family the Pfizer and Moderna have helped us stay out of the hospital after the 3rd and 4th doses. 

 

I don't need a study. They worked for my family, even an elderly almost bedridden elderly pioneer sister with dementia. 

 

Can't wait for more doses if eligible in the future. 

[Brother_Bliss]

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

I am saying that actual vaccines cant prevent disease

This is true. But preventing infection isn't the goal of the vaccine. The purpose of the vaccine is to prevent one from needing emergency hospital care or possibly dying. The vaccines are still effective even against the current variants.

 

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

I am NOT saying then cant prevent SERIOUS illness... vaccines CAN prevent SERIOUS illness. I dont argue with that.

Okay. It seems we are on the same page. 

 

Since we don't tolerate anti-vaxx propaganda here on JWTalk anymore, we feel compelled to step in and comment on or correct statements that could get the anti-vaxx wackadoodles foaming at the mouth and wagging their tails.

 

[Sofia]

6 hours ago, Brother_Bliss said:

This is true. But preventing infection isn't the goal of the vaccine. The purpose of the vaccine is to prevent one from needing emergency hospital care or possibly dying. The vaccines are still effective even against the current variants.

 

Okay. It seems we are on the same page. 

 

Since we don't tolerate anti-vaxx propaganda here on JWTalk anymore, we feel compelled to step in and comment on or correct statements that could get the anti-vaxx wackadoodles foaming at the mouth and wagging their tails.

 

I’m not anti vaxxer at all!

but people should be aware that even vaccinated can catch a milder infection 

so must keep the protection and care

wear masks when necessary wash hands sanitize keep some distance isolate when ill etc ☺️☺️☺️

Edited August 2, 2022 by Sofia

[Brother_Bliss]

2 hours ago, Sofia said:

I’m not anti vaxxer at all!

but people should be aware that even vaccinated can catch a milder infection 

so must keep the protection and care

wear masks when necessary wash hands sanitize keep some distance isolate when ill etc ☺️☺️☺️

This is true. I had it the other week...

https://jwtalk.net/topic/52804-well-it-finally-caught-up-with-me/

... but it's because I let my guard down, attended a massive outdoor event with no mask and limited ability to social distance.

 

[Hotteok]

How is attendance rate of meetings in countries with covid cases suddenly rising up? 
Japan’s cases rising up

South Korea following

We are a very obedient people so most will attend. Just worried if that’ll mean getting caught. Recently two elementary schoolers died due to Covid in korea , non jw

Edited August 2, 2022 by Hotteok

[vern]

Cases of testing positive to sarscov2.... A corona virus....  As opposed to the lung condition complication being called covid 19.

 

 

 

 

 

[hatcheckgirl]

A lady was doing her Phd and as part of her research found records dating back to the late 1890s and early 1900s of the Bubonic plague here in Perth (which was then circulating around the world).  It's interesting that absolutely nothing has changed when it comes to pandemics and how they handled it.

 

People would catch in one day and be dead within 2-3 days.  Inoculations and treatements were available, but there was some resistence even then.  If you reported a case of the plague, it meant being hauled off to quarantine and the house disinfected and rats captured and destroyed - it meant a loss of income and people avoided you, well, like the plague.

 

Some people refused to report cases, so they just would haul the sick person up to a far away place for them to die an agonising death in days.  One plague victim was a poor Chinese market gardener, and people then blamed the Chinese for bringing in the plague, even though many thousands had been affected before him.

 

And, just like today with covid, there were records kept of daily cases etc.  Fascinating reading.  

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-06/bubonic-plague-records-reveal-old-pandemic/101299952

[runner92]

On 8/2/2022 at 5:26 AM, Sofia said:

I’m not anti vaxxer at all!

but people should be aware that even vaccinated can catch a milder infection 

so must keep the protection and care

wear masks when necessary wash hands sanitize keep some distance isolate when ill etc ☺️☺️☺️

 

 

Please clarify if I'm wrong, but I'm positive I saw where you wrote you didn't take the vaccine. If so, what made you not take it? 

[Sofia]

25 minutes ago, runner92 said:

 

 

Please clarify if I'm wrong, but I'm positive I saw where you wrote you didn't take the vaccine. If so, what made you not take it? 

I have my reasons. Health reasons. My body doesnt cope well with vaccines. I overreact.

And I know coronaviruses for decades and know the side effects on me would be devastating.

Another reason is I trust natural imunity. Since I had covid in 2019/20 I knew I was protected against severe disease as well. I was not wrong. I was imune to Delta. When Omicron came I caught a mild infection BA.1 and lately all of us here in the family (vaccinated included) caught BA.5 and it was very painful for a week. 

I too of course, but we have treated at home. My husband vaccinated caught covid for the first time so he had worse symptoms than I did. 

I will take a sars cov 2 vaccine when I believe its effective preventing disease. Untill then I have enough imunity to keep me away from Hospital if I catch a new variant. (not only in therory, but in blood tests).

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Sofia

[Brother_Bliss]

5 hours ago, Sofia said:

Another reason is I trust natural imunity. Since I had covid in 2019/20 I knew I was protected against severe disease as well. I was not wrong. I was imune to Delta. When Omicron came I caught a mild infection BA.1 and lately all of us here in the family (vaccinated included) caught BA.5 and it was very painful for a week.

This goes to show that the broader so-called "herd immunity" will be achieved by both vaccines and natural immunity. The message has been the same since day one of the pandemic: Most people will survive this, but if you are older or immunocompromised then you are at greater risk. I'm in my upper forties, a bit overweight, with high blood pressure and chronic kidney disease. Could I have survived without a vaccine? I would like to think I would have, but I know sooooo many people who died from this, including young and seemingly healthy individuals. For most of us, getting vaccinated is a no-brainer. And it's nice to have done something to protect yourself. 

[Sofia]

21 minutes ago, Brother_Bliss said:

so-called "herd immunity" will be achieved by both vaccines and natural immunity

No brother Bliss… unfortunately the herd imunity will never be achieved unless no more different variants stop to

apear… the antibodies produced by vaccines/ infection are not adequate ( quantity and quality)

🙄🫣🤦‍♀️

23 minutes ago, Brother_Bliss said:

Could I have survived without a vaccine? I

Millions would be dead by now without the vaccine.

even though now omicron is less pathogenic than Delta

Delta wave could have been deadlier without vaccines 

Fortunately many took them

Cant prevent infection but prevent serious illness.

 

[Brother_Bliss]

18 minutes ago, Sofia said:

No brother Bliss… unfortunately the herd imunity will never be achieved unless no more different variants stop to

apear… the antibodies produced by vaccines/ infection are not adequate ( quantity and quality)

I should have used a different word since you and I apply different definitions to the words "immunity" and "effectiveness".. By "herd immunity" I mean that a large part of the drop in hospitalizations and death is due to previous infections and/or vaccines.

 

Immunity is simply the wrong word choice and the media and medical community should stop using it. This is because it conveys the thought of being invincible or bulletproof. That is not and never will be the case with this virus and it's variants. But the greater population, or "herd", is less likely to go to the ICU now. This is due in part to previous infection and the vaccines.

[hatcheckgirl]

Omicron's BA5 variant has out-muscled all previous ones and is the current variant doing the rounds. Is there another variant about to rear its head? Atm, it seems not.

 

So, once this BA5 fizzles out, are we finally there, out of this pandemic and into the endemic, seasonal and yearly wave? Are we there yet?

 

All parts of the earth have taken a battering simultaneously with BA5, both in the Northern hemisphere through summer, and in the Southern Hemisphere's winter, where we also had very high influenza to battle (but luckily we are less populated).

 

Ah, it’s just a cautious optimistic wish, because no one knows what’s coming next. But in theory, that what should happen……

[AH173]

If some had the chance to listen to John Campbell recently, there seems to be no other variant competing with ba. 5. This may be good news - he thinks.