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God's Name found in manuscripts

 

The original Hebrew name of God re-discovered in 1,000 Bible manuscripts.

 

On January 21, 2018, Bible Scholar Nehemia Gordon and his team of researchers discovered the 1,000th Hebrew Bible manuscript containing the original name of God in Hebrew with vowels.

For two hundred years, scholars have believed based on Greek sources and conjecture that the Hebrew name of God was originally pronounced “Yahweh.” In late 2016, Gordon found never-translated traditional Jewish sources that explicitly identified the vowels of God’s name in Hebrew as “Yehovah.” This is similar to the English Jehovah, but with a “Y” and the emphasis on the final syllable....

 

Interestingly this is how it is in Original King James Bible of 1611 English


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> ''For two hundred years, scholars have believed based on Greek sources and conjecture that the Hebrew name of God was originally pronounced “Yahweh.” In late 2016, Gordon found never-translated traditional Jewish sources that explicitly identified the vowels of God’s name in Hebrew as “Yehovah.” This is similar to the English Jehovah, but with a “Y” and the emphasis on the final syllable.''

Another useful recource for our ministry. Thank you!
P.S. I wonder what is he thinking about us, Jehovah's Witnesses. On wiki it says he is Karaite Jew.


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1 hour ago, Kristian said:

I wonder what is he thinking about us, Jehovah's Witnesses. On wiki it says he is Karaite Jew.

 

Nehemiah Gordon participated in a documentary about the Divine Name in which most of the speakers where JWs. I don't know what opinion does he have about us in other aspects, but it seems we are in complete agreement regarding the Name. :)

 

We were discussing that documentary here:

https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/30136-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah/

 

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1 hour ago, carlos said:

 

Nehemiah Gordon participated in a documentary about the Divine Name in which most of the speakers where JWs. I don't know what opinion does he have about us in other aspects, but it seems we are in complete agreement regarding the Name. :)

 

We were discussing that documentary here:

https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/30136-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah/

 

I've asked him about it. And he told me that we don't recognize the name yehovah but use it the wrong way in America as Jehovah.

 

I've asked him if he has ever had contact with head quarters (bethel). And he said he did, but that we wanted to be neutral and didn't wanted to use yehovah instead of Jehovah.

 

Karaite Jews take everything in the thora word by word and that's why they're very focused on the way it needs to be pronounced. A very strange thing is that he gives the example himself in his own book that a name like Mike could be pronounced in many ways, depending on the place where you live. And that God would listen even if you wouldn't call him by His right name. He gave an scripture with it...

But when it comes to witnesses, then he gets pride and steps over his own examples that he had given in his book. 

 

Beside of this short conversation I had with him, I must say that I loved reading his book "shattering the conspiracy of silence"


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2 hours ago, carlos said:

 

Nehemiah Gordon participated in a documentary about the Divine Name in which most of the speakers where JWs. I don't know what opinion does he have about us in other aspects, but it seems we are in complete agreement regarding the Name. :)

 

We were discussing that documentary here:

https://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/30136-gods-name-yahweh-or-jehovah/

 

 

Which, has inexplicably, disappeared from the face of the internet - The Movie I mean.

I wonder why?

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1 hour ago, skipdaflip said:

I've asked him about it. And he told me that we don't recognize the name yehovah but use it the wrong way in America as Jehovah.

 

I've asked him if he has ever had contact with head quarters (bethel). And he said he did, but that we wanted to be neutral and didn't wanted to use yehovah instead of Jehovah.

 

Karaite Jews take everything in the thora word by word and that's why they're very focused on the way it needs to be pronounced. A very strange thing is that he gives the example himself in his own book that a name like Mike could be pronounced in many ways, depending on the place where you live. And that God would listen even if you wouldn't call him by His right name. He gave an scripture with it...

But when it comes to witnesses, then he gets pride and steps over his own examples that he had given in his book. 

 

Beside of this short conversation I had with him, I must say that I loved reading his book "shattering the conspiracy of silence"


 

 

Yet in the movie ... they did recognize the English transliteration of Jehovah as being correct - comparing it to names like Joshua, Jehosaphat and Jesus.

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57 minutes ago, Stormswift said:

 

Yet in the movie ... they did recognize the English transliteration of Jehovah as being correct - comparing it to names like Joshua, Jehosaphat and Jesus.

 

That's correct. But the movie only used parts of interviews of Nehemiah Gordon. He didn't had any involvement in the documentary himself. I've been looking for his comment, but couldn't find it right now. When I'll find it, I'll post it. Nehemiah himself never said that Jehovah is the direct way of pronouncing it. He always said it is yehovah. While we only tell that we must use Jehovah's name, and don't point the focus on how to pronounce it.

 

The Pharisees did the same by creating unfeasible rules and kept focusing on insignificant things. Instead of helping their people, they led them into darkness. 

 

Matthew 15:9

9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” 

 

As mentioned before, I read his book and it was very nice to read. The path he had to walk and how he found out Jehovah's name is very nice. He also gives extra information about some scriptures and some verses. You'll get more information about that time through the eyes of Jews or Israelites. I loved to read it... And if you like to read a good book, I'll advice that one.

I'll keep hoping he will see the truth soon... I'll think he can very nice readings. 

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Fascinating research!

 

People had been using "Jehovah" for centuries without any problem, not only in the Bible but in literature, monuments,... I am convinced that scholars and religious leaders adopted the form "Yahweh" just to distance themselves from Bible Students.

 

Besides, all the Hebrew manuscripts that contain vowels say "Yehowah". Someone invented that silly story that it was the consonants of the Tetragrammaton with the vowels of Adonai so that it was not read aloud accidentally. And scholars were so eager to reject the form "Jehovah" that Jehovah's Witnesses used that they didn't realize that the vowels of Adonai are not e-o-a!

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48 minutes ago, skipdaflip said:

 

That's correct. But the movie only used parts of interviews of Nehemiah Gordon. He didn't had any involvement in the documentary himself. I've been looking for his comment, but couldn't find it right now. When I'll find it, I'll post it. Nehemiah himself never said that Jehovah is the direct way of pronouncing it. He always said it is yehovah. While we only tell that we must use Jehovah's name, and don't point the focus on how to pronounce it.

 

The Pharisees did the same by creating unfeasible rules and kept focusing on insignificant things. Instead of helping their people, they led them into darkness. 

 

Matthew 15:9

9 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’” 

 

As mentioned before, I read his book and it was very nice to read. The path he had to walk and how he found out Jehovah's name is very nice. He also gives extra information about some scriptures and some verses. You'll get more information about that time through the eyes of Jews or Israelites. I loved to read it... And if you like to read a good book, I'll advice that one.

I'll keep hoping he will see the truth soon... I'll think he can very nice readings. 

 

Gotcha. You don't have a copy of that doco - God's name - Yahweh or Jehovah do you? Or a link would be good.

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So, what do you know about this?

https://www.nehemiaswall.com/nehemia-gordon-name-god

 

Nehemia Gordon celebrates the incredible milestone of finding God's holy name with full vowels in over 1,000 Hebrew Bible manuscripts. Nehemia speaks with some of his team scouring Bible manuscripts in libraries around the world, as well as some of the people who have been key in spreading this vital information to Israel and the Nations.

 

 

Sorry ... now I see there is another topic on this ... please merge.


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I have also seen the video clip but I am not convinced. Nehemia Gordon said they found over 1000 texts where it shows it YeHoVaH but if you think of it how could the same mistake happen over 1000 times? Me Gordon says that the scribes by accident left the couples in but how could that be? The scribes counted each written document to make sure that no accident had taken place yet now they made the same mistake over 1000 times. Something does not sound right. Insight on the scriptures says on page 7 vol. 2 under Jehovah- what is the proper pronunciation of God’s name?

 

”in the second half of the first millennium C.E., Jewish scholars introduced a system of points to represent the missing vowels in the consonantal Hebrew text. When it came to God’s name, instead of inserting the proper vowel signs for it, they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say ‘Adhonai’ (meaning “sovereign Lord”) or Elohim (meaning “God”). “ 

 

it mentions further that some vowel vowel points makes it read Yehwah, Yehwih and Yehovah or also Yehowah. Some then favor others also.

 

so actually it does not matter how many manuscripts Mr Gordon finds that does not proof that it was Pronounced Yeho(v/w)ah. I have also heard that some say that the vowel points for Adonai or Elohim is not exactly the same as used to get to Yehovah. 

 

Encyclopaedia Judaica second edition volume 7 under God’s name- YHWH says: 

 

“ In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowel points to facilitate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for Adonai with ONE VARIATION - a sheva with the initial yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patch under the aleph of Adonai- were used for YHWH, thus PRODUCING the form YeHoWaH. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the HYBRID name “ Jehovah.”

 

Wikipedia has a lot on this under Jehovah and shows pictures of it.

 

There is a religious group in America under the sacred name movement called “ Yahweh’s Restoration Ministry” that has done a lecture about this exact topic (the video can be found of the one guy giving the talk, the talk is on YouTube - 

)

 

I know the Catholic Church on their radio program likes to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses have rid themselves of everything Catholic but yet they keep the mistake they made on God’s name. 

 

There is unfortunatly so so much info on this and it is controversial because each one takes one side and talked against the rest. The Organization has done good research on this and that’s why we keep using Jehovah in English because as they say it has been excepted for a long time, yet we can’t be docmatic and say it was Yehowah or Yahweh. We simply don’t know and if Jah wanted us to use the one and it really is of great importance he would never have let it gotten lost. Now I guess someone can say: yes but it was never lost as some say...

well I will wait on Jah to reveal what is needed.

 

ps. I have contacted Mr Gordon to notify him about YRM and the talk they did on the matter and will wait for a reply after he has a look at theit lecture. ( I believe they are talking about MR Gordon in their talk but don’t want to use his name, could they be scared that people will listen to his research?? Doug it. Will post his reply ,that is if he replies.

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I have also seen the video clip but I am not convinced. Nehemia Gordon said they found over 1000 texts where it shows it YeHoVaH but if you think of it how could the same mistake happen over 1000 times? Me Gordon says that the scribes by accident left the couples in but how could that be? The scribes counted each written document to make sure that no accident had taken place yet now they made the same mistake over 1000 times. Something does not sound right. Insight on the scriptures says on page 7 vol. 2 under Jehovah- what is the proper pronunciation of God’s name?
 
”in the second half of the first millennium C.E., Jewish scholars introduced a system of points to represent the missing vowels in the consonantal Hebrew text. When it came to God’s name, instead of inserting the proper vowel signs for it, they put other vowel signs to remind the reader that he should say ‘Adhonai’ (meaning “sovereign Lord”) or Elohim (meaning “God”). “ 
 
it mentions further that some vowel vowel points makes it read Yehwah, Yehwih and Yehovah or also Yehowah. Some then favor others also.
 
so actually it does not matter how many manuscripts Mr Gordon finds that does not proof that it was Pronounced Yeho(v/w)ah. I have also heard that some say that the vowel points for Adonai or Elohim is not exactly the same as used to get to Yehovah. 
 
Encyclopaedia Judaica second edition volume 7 under God’s name- YHWH says: 
 
“ In the early Middle Ages, when the consonantal text of the Bible was supplied with vowel points to facilitate its correct traditional reading, the vowel points for Adonai with ONE VARIATION - a sheva with the initial yod of YHWH instead of the hataf-patch under the aleph of Adonai- were used for YHWH, thus PRODUCING the form YeHoWaH. When Christian scholars of Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the HYBRID name “ Jehovah.”
 
Wikipedia has a lot on this under Jehovah and shows pictures of it.
 
There is a religious group in America under the sacred name movement called “ Yahweh’s Restoration Ministry” that has done a lecture about this exact topic (the video can be found of the one guy giving the talk, the talk is on YouTube - 
)
 
I know the Catholic Church on their radio program likes to say that Jehovah’s Witnesses have rid themselves of everything Catholic but yet they keep the mistake they made on God’s name. 
 
There is unfortunatly so so much info on this and it is controversial because each one takes one side and talked against the rest. The Organization has done good research on this and that’s why we keep using Jehovah in English because as they say it has been excepted for a long time, yet we can’t be docmatic and say it was Yehowah or Yahweh. We simply don’t know and if Jah wanted us to use the one and it really is of great importance he would never have let it gotten lost. Now I guess someone can say: yes but it was never lost as some say...
well I will wait on Jah to reveal what is needed.
 
ps. I have contacted Mr Gordon to notify him about YRM and the talk they did on the matter and will wait for a reply after he has a look at theit lecture. ( I believe they are talking about MR Gordon in their talk but don’t want to use his name, could they be scared that people will listen to his research?? Doug it. Will post his reply ,that is if he replies.
Most interesting. Looks like it is a topic you have researched. I watch with interest and patience.

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How it is possible that he found 1000 texts with Gods name in it? If you read his book, then you'll find out how he find the first ones.... He made a search of Gods name, and eventually it was in the torah all the time. But they read it differently, cause they putted vowels between it. And in Hebrew you can have the same word written with different vowels, which will result in tens or hundreds of different outcomes. Nehemiah got triggered by Numbers 6:27

 

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27 And they must place my name upon the people of Israel, that I may bless them.”

 

This is a blessing that the jewish priest place on their people every week. And every Friday every man must place this blessing at dinner to his children. Through his search and studying at the bible school of Jerusalem, he was able to get hands on several scrolls. Also the silver scroll which got this blessing on it. He got shocked to see that Jehovah was written on it with his name in Tetragrammaton. Without any vowels. (Old hebrew). And then he began his search to what this name is. Cause with only the consonants, this name could end up in anything. But he knew that there were rules in old Hebrew to find out that name... this part is also explained in the documentary "What is Gods Name" and in his book.

When he found out that the name of Jehovah have to be written as Yehovah, then he began his search to all the existing scrolls and every other scrolls available for the name of God.

And the outcome is that he discovered on another 1000 scrolls that the name of God is YHVH.


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6 hours ago, BroJPM said:

I have also seen the video clip but I am not convinced. Nehemia Gordon said they found over 1000 texts where it shows it YeHoVaH but if you think of it how could the same mistake happen over 1000 times? Me Gordon says that the scribes by accident left the couples in but how could that be? The scribes counted each written document to make sure that no accident had taken place yet now they made the same mistake over 1000 times. Something does not sound right. Insight on the scriptures says on page 7 vol. 2 under Jehovah- what is the proper pronunciation of God’s name?

 

Jean Pierre, I am not following your logic. I mean, in the Masoretic text Jehovah's name is vocalized as "Yehowah". And in these one thousand scrolls, it is vocalized the same. So what's the mistake? Could you explain it a bit more, please?

 

The scribes counting the letters wouldn't make a difference, because they only counted the consonants. The vowels were not letters, they were just small symbols (diacritics) they wrote above or under the letters. So God's Name always has four letters, YHWH, no matter if it's vocalized YeHoWaH, YaHWeH or anything else.

 

Or if you refer to the difference of V/W, that is not important either. Both are the same letter. It simply was pronounced V or W at different periods in history or by Hebrew-speakers from different areas. It's the same as the Z in Spanish, we pronounce it as "TH" in Spain, but Latin-American speakers pronounce it as "S", but we understand each other perfectly.

 

One point we sometimes don't realize is that Jehovah's name probably didn't have a single correct pronunciation. Languages change over time and Hebrew is not an exception. The way Adam pronounce God's name may be quite different from the way Abraham, Moses, David or Jesus pronounced it.

 

Regarding the story of YeHoWaH having the letters of Adonai, it doesn't make sense to me. I know it has appeared in our publications, because the brothers simply repeated what scholars affirmed, but I don't believe it's true. So they put the vowels of Adonai, but changed one of them? Why not the vowels of "potato" but changed all three? Doesn't make sense. What is the evidence for that story? Do we have contemporary records explaining they did that and why, or is it simply a conclusion some scholar reached centuries later and that everybody parrots not to seem ignorant? My (absolutely non-scholarly) opinion is that the Masoretic text simply reflects the way the Name was pronounced.

 

6 hours ago, BroJPM said:

The Organization has done good research on this and that’s why we keep using Jehovah in English because as they say it has been excepted for a long time, yet we can’t be docmatic and say it was Yehowah or Yahweh. We simply don’t know and if Jah wanted us to use the one and it really is of great importance he would never have let it gotten lost.

 

Agreed, our position is still that we can't be dogmatic since we don't know for certain. However, while our publications from 30 years ago somehow acknowledged that probably Yahweh was closer to the original pronunciation, our most recent publications contain very good arguments favoring a three-syllabe Name that begins with "Yeho", based on the thousands of Bible names that begin that way.

 


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36 minutes ago, carlos said:

The scribes counting the letters wouldn't make a difference, because they only counted the consonants. The vowels were not letters, they were just small symbols (diacritics) they wrote above or under the letters. So God's Name always has four letters, YHWH, no matter if it's vocalized YeHoWaH, YaHWeH or anything else.

 

I'm not completely agree with this part. In old Hebrew they didn't put any vowels between the consonants. So any consonant could be placed or left away from a word? That's not true, there were rules, and everyone jew knew these rules when reading words in Hebrew. I copied a part from Nehemiahs book on this subject in here.

 

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There was one nagging problem with my new discovery. The vowels I found in the BHS and the Leningrad Codex were impossible. Pronouncing God's name as Yehvah defies a basic rule of Biblical Hebrew. In ancient Hebrew, a consonant in the middle of a word has to have a vowel associated with it. The problem was that the first hay in "Yehvah" did not have any vowel associated with it. [102] One common exception to this rule is a consonant that ends a syllable. In this case, the consonant is marked with a special symbal called a silent-shva to indicate that it has no vowel. For the proununciation Yehvah to be valid, the first hay would have to be marked with a silent-shva.[103] It wasn't. This wasn't some minor glitch. It was the proverbial elephant in the room. Any ancient Hebrew reader who saw the word Yehvah written without a vowel or silent-shva in the first hay would know there was a missing vowel in God's name.

 

A time went on, my desire to figure out which vowel was missing from God's name grew. One day, I was reading my BHS Bible when I came across God's name written differently than it usually was. This time it had a full set of vowels. It was written: "Yehovah".

 

This made so much sense, because it fit perfectly with numerous "compound names." Hebrew compound names consist of two words that form a short sentence. Many of these compound names started with "Yeho," a truncated form of God's name. There was Yeho-shua, which means, "Yhvh saves" and Yeho-natan "Yhvh gives." There was Yeho-achaz "Yhvh grabs hold," Yeho-chanan "Yhvh is gracious," and Yeho-tzadak "Yhvh is righteous." [104] The pronunciation "Yehovah" fit perfectly with these compound names.

 

I knew there was a second category of compound names that ended with "yahu," another truncated form of God's name. Some of these names had the exact same meanings as the other type. Like Yesha-yahu meaning "Yhvh saves" and Netan-yahu "Yhvh gives." There was also Achaz-yahu "Yhvh grabs hold," Chanan-yahu "Yhvh is gracious," and Tzidki-yahu "Yhvh is righteous." [105] These names all ended with "yahu."

 

The two types of compound names had the exact same meaning, only differing as to where the three letters of God's holy name appeared in them. I saw a pattern. The Yod-Hay-Vav from God's name was always pronounced "Yeho" at the beginning of a name and "yahu" at the end of a name. In God's own name, these three letters were at the beginning, so Yeho-vah made perfect sense. [106]

 

When I found the solitary instance of God's name written "Yehovah" in the BHS, part of me thought it might be a misprint. I started scanning page after page, looking for another example. I spent about an hour but all I could find was God's name written Yehvah.

 

"What about the Leningrad Code?" I thought. I immediately knew what I had to do. I packed up my stuff and headed over to the library to examine, once again, the fascimile edition of the Leningrad Codex. On my way to the library I thought about why the scribes were writing the name as "Yehvah" even though it was obviously missing a vowel. They must have followed the tradition of not speaking God's actual name. By leaving out the middle vowel, they prevented their readers from accidently pronouncing it. When an ancient reader came across "Yehvah", they immediately had to stop. Even if they wanted to read the name, it was unreadable because of the missing vowel.


When I arrived at the library, I set up my laptop on one of the tables and laid out the fascimile edition of the Leningrad Codex. When I was looking for God's name in the BHS, I had to skim manually page after page. Now I was going to take a short cut using a digitized text of the Leningrad Codex on my laptop. In a matter of seconds, a simple computer search turned up dozens of instances of the name of God, written as "Yehovah" with a full set of vowels. All I had to do was open to those verses in the fascimile edition and make sure that it really read that way in the manuscript.


Wihtin a few minutes, I was looking at one of the most important manuscripts of the Hebrew Bible and there was God's name written numerous times, complete with all the vowels. And they weren't the vowels of Adonai. I couldn't believe it. Literally. I wasn't ready to believe it. I was having Gideon's doubt. In the Book of Judges, God gave Gideon a miracle, a dew-coverd fleece on a dry threshing floor. However, Gideon wanted to be sure that it wasn't a fluke. He asked God for a second miracle, a dry fleece on a dew-covered threshing floor. I undersood Gideon's heart. He was a Litvak like me. I needed to know that "Yehovah" with the full vowels wasn't a fluke, ......

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[102] A consonant that ends a word does not need to have an associated vowel. On the other hand, a hay at the end of a word is silent by default unless it is marked with a dot called a mapik.

[103] The only exceptions to this are three examples of compound names that begin with lamed-hay verbs, specifically: Asahel (2 Samuel 2:18), Pedahzur (Numbers 1:10), Hazael (2 Kings 8:8)

[104] In English: Joshua (Exodus 17:9), Jonathan (Judges 18:30), Jehoahaz (2 Kings 10:35), Jehohanan (Ezra 10:28), and Jehozadak (1 Chronicles 6:14[5:40]).

[105] In English: Isaiah (2 Kings 19:2), Nethaniah (Jeremiah 36:14), Ahaziah (1 Kings 22:40), Hananiah (Jeremiah 36:12), and Zedekiah (1 Kings 22:24).

[106] No less an authority than Gesenius, who advocated pronouncing the name as "Yahweh" based on a Samaritan tradition, nevertheless admitted in his Lexicon (Tregelles translation, page 337):

"Those who consider that [tegragrammaton] [Yehovah] was the actual pronunciation... are not altogether without ground on which to defend their opinion. In this way the abbreviated syllables [part tetragrammaton] [Yeho] and [part tetragrammaton] [Yo], with which many proper names begin, be more satisfactorily explained"

 

 

 

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