The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Bob]

5 hours ago, Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz said:

 

 

 

 

It's nice to see on the chart, that the percentage on 11 July was the lowest ratio. But the sheer bulk tested resulted in a huge number.

Sadly, there is still a lot of cases out there...

The experience of Melbourne shows it doesn't take long to spread if you let your guard down.

GB Update #4 was better than perfect timing!

 

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

Yes it is sad there are a lot of cases, but I expected this (as we all should have expected this) so it really shouldn’t come as a shock. 
 

When you lock people down, you limit interaction and slow the spread. When you end the lockdowns, interaction increases and infection increase. 
 

There is really nothing anyone can do to stop the spread. Just protect yourself and learn to live WITH it for now, and you’ll get through it. 

[Bob]

2 hours ago, Maʹher-shalʹal-hash-baz said:

Poor Florida...

NY Times Published July 12, 2020
Updated July 13, 2020, 1:02 a.m. ET

TAMPA, Fla. — Florida on Sunday reported the highest single-day total of new coronavirus cases by any state since the start of the pandemic, with more than 15,000 new infections, eclipsing the previous high of 12,274 recorded in New York on April 4 amid the worst of its outbreak.
The number reflects both increased testing and a surge in transmission of the virus that has strained hospitals, led to shortages in a key antiviral drug and amplified fears about the pace the state lifted restrictions on movement and commerce. And it is a new red mark on the nation’s floundering efforts to combat the virus.

https://nyti.ms/3emcgFj

{At last they acknowledge the extra testing too}

Old (Downunder) Tone
 

Lol and I love how the media insist on trying to blame this on the reopenings. 
 

The media is pure garbage nowadays.

 

Here’s something.

 

States that were for lockdowns:

NY: 32,403 Deaths (population 19.45M)
NJ: 15,609 Deaths (population 8.9M)
MA: 8,325 Deaths (population 6.9M)

States that reopened “too early”:

TX: 3,260 Deaths (population 29M)
FL: 4,242 Deaths (population 21.5M)
AZ: 2,237 deaths (population 7.3M)
 

Why don’t they just say “we don’t know why cases are surging” because obviously lockdowns were not the life saving panacea they are banging their fists about. 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bob

[➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone]

 

 

 

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The media is pure garbage nowadays.

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Why don’t they just say “we don’t know why... "

 

I think their main focus is selling 'papers'. You know the old adage:

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." (Mark Twain)

 

Old (Downunder) Tone

 

 

 

[BenJepthah]

32 minutes ago, Bob said:

Just protect yourself and learn to live WITH it for now, and you’ll get through it

Many people in this generation have become disused to the concept of personal responsibility.  They expect someone else to keep them safe, free of disease, fed, and even happy.  When confronted with reality they often are confused and just look for someone to provide things like protection for them. It’s a harsh way to relearn that You are the first and foremost person that even can  keep You and your family safe. 

[Shawnster]

12 hours ago, Todd komaniak said:

For those of you who are confused by this chart we see as the number of tested goes up the number of found cases go up some charts are just so hard to understand

Well, yes. That is how testing works. The more tests conducted, the more positive results will be had. 

 

That is why they need to start saying how many tests are conducted. If the ratio between tests conducted and positive results remains the same or decreases, then there is no increase, no spike, and the virus is under control.  On the other hand, if the ratio increases, then there is a big problem. 

 

Simply providing number of new cases is irrelevant without providing number of tests administered. 

[Todd komaniak]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Lol and I love how the media insist on trying to blame this on the reopenings. 
 

The media is pure garbage nowadays.

 

Here’s something.

 

States that were for lockdowns:

NY: 32,403 Deaths (population 19.45M)
NJ: 15,609 Deaths (population 8.9M)
MA: 8,325 Deaths (population 6.9M)

States that reopened “too early”:

TX: 3,260 Deaths (population 29M)
FL: 4,242 Deaths (population 21.5M)
AZ: 2,237 deaths (population 7.3M)
 

Why don’t they just say “we don’t know why cases are surging” because obviously lockdowns were not the life saving panacea they are banging their fists about. My comment about this is below

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Todd komaniak

[Todd komaniak]

For those who are confused if you have a high population and a high number of deaths you're doing it wrong if you have a high population and low number of deaths you're doing it right this may confuse people because numbers sometimes  Escape their mental abilities

[Bob]

2 hours ago, BenJepthah said:

Many people in this generation have become disused to the concept of personal responsibility.  They expect someone else to keep them safe, free of disease, fed, and even happy.  When confronted with reality they often are confused and just look for someone to provide things like protection for them. It’s a harsh way to relearn that You are the first and foremost person that even can  keep You and your family safe. 

Yep. Selfishness abounds. But I don't think people are in general want government playing the "I am trying to to protect your health" mother and father role, even though they are trying to play that role. I think there is a lot of rebellion against that very concept which is why you see young people doing whatever they want. 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bob

[Shawnster]

4 hours ago, Bob said:

Lol and I love how the media insist on trying to blame this on the reopenings. 
 

The media is pure garbage nowadays.

 

Here’s something.

 

States that were for lockdowns:

NY: 32,403 Deaths (population 19.45M)
NJ: 15,609 Deaths (population 8.9M)
MA: 8,325 Deaths (population 6.9M)

States that reopened “too early”:

TX: 3,260 Deaths (population 29M)
FL: 4,242 Deaths (population 21.5M)
AZ: 2,237 deaths (population 7.3M)
 

Why don’t they just say “we don’t know why cases are surging” because obviously lockdowns were not the life saving panacea they are banging their fists about. 

I don't understand how you reach this conclusion.  To me it looks clear that in areas where they relaxed social distancing requirements that the numbers spiked.  

 

The data looks pretty convincing that every state has seen a dramatic increase as social distancing measures were eased or relaxed.  

 

This only makes sense.  The virus is spread from person to person.   The more people that come into contact with each other, the more rapidly the virus will spread.  The more people are limited from contact with other people, the harder it is for the virus to spread.  

 

I don't understand what your conclusion is or how you reached it.

[Bob]

1 minute ago, Shawnster said:

I don't understand how you reach this conclusion.  To me it looks clear that in areas where they relaxed social distancing requirements that the numbers spiked.  

The comparison I'm making is locked down states saw more devastation than more populous states that weren't so lock down heavy. So why would the media blame re-openings but ignore the deaths during hard lockdowns?

 

1 minute ago, Shawnster said:

 

The data looks pretty convincing that every state has seen a dramatic increase as social distancing measures were eased or relaxed.  

The data shows that lockdowns didn't decrease deaths. That was my entire point. Its about preventing deaths, not necessarily new cases as those are inevitable as you point out. 

 

[Jothob]

19 hours ago, EccentricM said:

Yeah my mom has the symptoms, she's quite ill with it, and it's worse because she had an couple of operations about five months ago (which she's still recovering from). But now I'm also beginning to get the symptoms of a dry cough and a lump in my throat that makes you feel like your throat is closing up (which is what my mom is also getting).

Oh I’m so sorry about your mum especially as she’s still recovering from her recent operations. 
It could just be a nasty cold but just in case I’d do the test if you have the kit. 
we ordered some test kits ourselves & they’ve just arrived, just in case we get any symptoms in the future....
All the best. 🙂

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Bob said:

The data shows that lockdowns didn't decrease deaths. That was my entire point. Its about preventing deaths, not necessarily new cases as those are inevitable as you point out. 

 

I don't understand your statement about decreasing deaths.  Only Jehovah can decrease death by means of resurrection.  Once people are dead, they are dead.  The number of dead can only go up.  It will never go down until after Armageddon.

[EccentricM]

9 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I don't understand your statement about decreasing deaths.  Only Jehovah can decrease death by means of resurrection.  Once people are dead, they are dead.  The number of dead can only go up.  It will never go down until after Armageddon.

Decreasing the "rate" of deaths inflicted from COVID he means.

[Bob]

17 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

I don't understand your statement about decreasing deaths.  Only Jehovah can decrease death by means of resurrection.  Once people are dead, they are dead.  The number of dead can only go up.  It will never go down until after Armageddon.

Lockdowns were designed to minimize Covid deaths. The message for months from the media that if you didn't lockdown and stay home, you were killing grandma. But the evidence shows the opposite. You'd expect more death in States that opened "too soon". But you see like 8 to perhaps 12-15 times more death in States that were pro-lockdown. 

10 minutes ago, EccentricM said:

Decreasing the "rate" of deaths inflicted from COVID he means.

Exactly!

[Tortuga]

3 minutes ago, Bob said:

You'd expect more death in States that opened "too soon". But you see like 8 to perhaps 12-15 times more death in States that were pro-lockdown. 

That's assuming that the testing and reporting is consistent throughout all the states..?

[Bob]

13 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

That's assuming that the testing and reporting is consistent throughout all the states..?

I like your new handle, brother.

[Old]

Death has always been rationed, one death per person, however that statistic may be thrown off due to the following announcement: 

 

  "Millions now living may never die!"

                       

[Bob]

13 minutes ago, Mephibosheth said:

That's assuming that the testing and reporting is consistent throughout all the states..?

Yes. But I DO think lockdowns serve an important purpose when a new disease hits. Locking down gives health professionals time to educate themselves on it before it infects too many people too soon - so I am not totally anti-lockdown. 

 

However, when you find out a disease is communicable in the way that Covid is, locking down is not a good solution. For example, if you have apartment building units that share the same ventilation system, you're asking for trouble. When someone smokes downstairs in their unit, the smoke is carried up through your vents. Sometimes you know if someone is smoking. So if they have covid and are contaminating the air, if you're running AC or your heat, that same air is circulating throughout the entire building and you can possibly become infected during a lockdown. 

 

You need ventilation, which means you need to be either outdoors, or have access to outside air. There was good study I read about this concerning the Spanish Flu:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/?fbclid=IwAR3yvft6DcHdogj_mmlX0WscCci8xVqeHWCKs-iWSmy0bijWHWtOIXc44_Y

[Friends just call me Ross]

Michigan's governor has finally issued an executive order stating masks must be worn in public places

by both employees and customers.   I printed one up and placed it on our front door for our hay customers.  

[Bob]

22 minutes ago, Friends just call me Ross said:

Michigan's governor has finally issued an executive order stating masks must be worn in public places

by both employees and customers.   I printed one up and placed it on our front door for our hay customers.  

I don't believe its quite a law, as it hasn't gone through the legislative process, but while I wear a mask where required, its just another I believe disturbing trend of Government trying to micromanage behavior and legislate common sense.

 

I tend to fall more on this side of the fence, personally:

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/west-michigan-sheriff-says-he-won-e2-80-99t-investigate-violations-of-gov-whitmer-e2-80-99s-mask-order/ar-BB16CFCY

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bob

[Bob]

Personally, I have no problem with sharing this with brothers, my wife works in retail, and seeing the nationwide confrontations with employees and the public about masks wearing, she will not be enforcing this at her store. I asked her not to. 

 

The first time she did attempt to saying something back in May, she got a death stare from a woman. A caller on a radio show was confronted this past weekend by a customer who said he was ready to fight people who tried to force him to wear a mask. 

 

Sorry, leave it up to the businesses. I believe it is wrong to deputize people like my wife and make them defacto law enforcement. I'm not planning on enforcing this in my office either. 

[EccentricM]

Law or not, we should be mindful and be loving of our neighbour. If masks help contain the risk of spread, we should wear them.

Edited July 13, 2020 by EccentricM

[Bob]

Just now, EccentricM said:

Law or not, we should be mindful and be loving. If masks help contain the risk of spread, we should wear them.

Did you read where I said I wear them? I said I won't be enforcing it. My family is not the police, and we are not about to be arguing and fighting with people over a mask. 

[Friends just call me Ross]

The State of Michigan just tried to give me another coronary with this ALARMING alert on my phone.

 

[Bob]

Already several local Sheriffs (in Lower Michigan) have told citizens they are not enforcing this order. They'll get 1000 no mask calls a day. They don't have the resources for that to be responding and ticketing people.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bob