Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[califlorican]

22 hours ago, Allabord4Jah said:

And this evening local news, Johnson & Johnson, had 15 million doses contaminated.  This was done at another plant to make the vaccines, these were destroyed because of contamination by human error.  This company over the years has been cited for bad practices.  The plant or pharma is located in my state.  The batches before these were found out are out for public use.  So think twice and do home work before you get that vaccine.  

The article itself says that “the Bayview factory where the tainted vaccine ingredient was found had not yet been approved by the FDA, so no vaccine in circulation is affected.” And that this “was a one-way mistake and likely an isolated incident”. I don’t think it’s worth declining the vaccine, since they’ve done testing on other batches with zero issues. The current batches are all being produced and shipped over from the Netherlands!

 

 

[sunshine]

 

 

 

Dr Fauci says children should not play together without masks until they are vaccinated

 

Dr Anthony Fauci has said that vaccinated parents still need to be careful about allowing their unvaccinated children to play with others.

Speaking to CBS’s Face The Nation on Sunday, Dr Fauci said that "children can clearly wind up getting infected", if they play with other kids despite their parents being vaccinated.

 

He added that "when the children go out into the community, you want them to continue to wear masks when they're interacting with groups from multiple households".

 

Dr Fauci has said that he expects that kids in elementary school probably won't be vaccinated until early next year, with high schoolers hopefully starting to get the jab this autumn.

 

READ more 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dr-fauci-children-covid-vaccine-masks-b1824600.html

 

 

 

I think it will be nice for children to play together without masks one day.   It may take maybe a year or two to vaccinate the children of the world (it's a huge task to vaccinate every child on the planet once or twice a year)  but it just shows what humans can do with the will.

 

 

[trottigy]

On 3/31/2021 at 11:55 AM, New World Explorer said:

These are the countries currently suspending vaccine as more cases are reported of rare blood clots. Canada went ahead with it, although with some restrictions. 

Vaccine use suspended

Austria

Suspended use of one batch of the vaccine on March 7 after the death of one person and the illness of another.

Cameroon

Suspended administration of the vaccine it was scheduled to receive on March 20 as part of the COVID-19 Vaccines Global Access Facility (COVAX) sharing scheme, the health ministry said.

Denmark

Prolonged its suspension of the shot by three weeks pending further investigations after its two-week pause ended on March 25. A local survey indicated that one in three Danes would decline to get the shot.

Norway

Norway will delay a decision over the use of the vaccine, authorities said on March 26, with a decision expected by April 15.

Romania

Temporarily stopped vaccinating people with one batch of the vaccine on March 

It sounds like one batch in particular they stopped using, but they are still vaccinating people for COVID19 in these countries, correct?

[Dustparticle]

https://www.fox17online.com/news/coronavirus/double-mutant-covid-19-variant-discovered-in-the-bay-area?fbclid=IwAR3diExlWhVnFbN3V7lk0S1W6EStzROfEgOGVlqtd8QpJDUMHfC6iGzOvM4  
 

 

[Sofia]

3 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

https://www.fox17online.com/news/coronavirus/double-mutant-covid-19-variant-discovered-in-the-bay-area?fbclid=IwAR3diExlWhVnFbN3V7lk0S1W6EStzROfEgOGVlqtd8QpJDUMHfC6iGzOvM4  
 

 

Thanks brother Glenn, this information is correct not too much disturbing, shows the reality, but also hope. I liked it very much!

[New World Explorer]

5 hours ago, trottigy said:

It sounds like one batch in particular they stopped using, but they are still vaccinating people for COVID19 in these countries, correct?

Yes, most likely. 

But the "side effect of those negative news about Astra Zeneca is not going away" 

See the article from Down Under, 

Experts are concerned that the hospitalisation of a Melbourne man with blood clots after he was given the AstraZeneca vaccine may dent public confidence in the jab.

 

“To hear of a risk of a serious outcome like this rare clotting condition will no doubt make some people feel more cautious to have the AstraZeneca vaccine,” she said.

 

“However I also note that we continue to see many Australians very keen to get the vaccine as soon as possible.” https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/concerns-that-astrazeneca-clotting-case-may-hurt-public-confidence-in-vaccine-20210405-p57gms.html

 

[New World Explorer]

6 hours ago, trottigy said:

t sounds like one batch in particular they stopped using, but they are still vaccinating people for COVID19 in these countries, correct?

It does not look like a batch, but vaccine in general.

See here:https://www.sbs.com.au/news/seven-deaths-in-uk-linked-to-astrazeneca-jab-as-some-european-countries-scale-back-rollout

The UK medical regulator says that out of 30 people who suffered rare blood clots after receiving the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, seven have died.

The British acknowledgement of deaths comes as several European countries have paused the use of the AstraZeneca jab over a potential link to blood clots.

A number of European countries have paused the rollout of the AstraZeneca vaccine or limited its use to older people, with the European Medicines Agency (EMA) expected to announce updated advice on 7 April.

 

This week Aussie government will decide if they will permit Astra Zeneca Down Under. sorry paywall (I don't have another link) here: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?offerset=hs_1for30_premium&v21suffix=143-b&sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.heraldsun.com.au%2Fcoronavirus%2Fastrazeneca-vaccine-program-unlikely-to-be-shelved%2Fnews-story%2Fbbd2448863640e5bfa46719b2cd58037&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&adobe_mc_sdid=SDID%3D3BB7DC90CFE20AAC-75F2075B8ADD8B06|MCORGID%3D5FE61C8B533204850A490D4D%40AdobeOrg|TS%3D1617690837&adobe_mc_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

[New World Explorer]

A top health official has said it is now “clear” there is a link between dangerous blood clots and AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine.

A heath chief from the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said that there is a link between AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine and blood clots.

“In my opinion, we can say it now, it is clear there is a link with the vaccine,” said the EMA’s head of vaccines Marco Cavaleri in an interview with Italy’s Il Messaggero newspaper.

Mr Cavaleri indicated that the EMA would confirm this view, adding, “in the next few hours, we will say that there is a connection, but we still have to understand how this happens”.

He said that “we still do not know what causes this reaction”, as reports accumulate of people across the world experiencing blood clots after receiving the jab developed by British-Swedish drug company AstraZeneca and Oxford University.

“We are trying to get a precise picture of what is happening, to define in detail this syndrome due to the vaccine,” Mr Cavaleri said.

“Among the vaccinated, there are more cases of cerebral thrombosis … among young people than we would expect.”https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/astrazeneca-vaccine-and-blood-clots-link-clear-says-top-health-official/news-story/a6a467119467a8f8ff302a731b65bc48

[Sofia]

3 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

A top health official has said it is now “clear” there is a link between dangerous blood clots and AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine.

A heath chief from the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said that there is a link between AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine and blood clots.

“In my opinion, we can say it now, it is clear there is a link with the vaccine,” said the EMA’s head of vaccines Marco Cavaleri in an interview with Italy’s Il Messaggero newspaper.

Mr Cavaleri indicated that the EMA would confirm this view, adding, “in the next few hours, we will say that there is a connection, but we still have to understand how this happens”.

He said that “we still do not know what causes this reaction”, as reports accumulate of people across the world experiencing blood clots after receiving the jab developed by British-Swedish drug company AstraZeneca and Oxford University.

“We are trying to get a precise picture of what is happening, to define in detail this syndrome due to the vaccine,” Mr Cavaleri said.

“Among the vaccinated, there are more cases of cerebral thrombosis … among young people than we would expect.”https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/astrazeneca-vaccine-and-blood-clots-link-clear-says-top-health-official/news-story/a6a467119467a8f8ff302a731b65bc48

Its in fact the reaction of the person´s own imune system and the viral particles inside the vaccine. This vaccine is perhaps too similar to the spike protein.

This rare side effect may be due to antibodies binding to platelets and activating them, similar to heparin-induced thrombocytopenia.

I can only imagine that if the "victims" got in fact COVID-19 they would ended up in a ICU hospital 😕

It´s an emergency vaccine.

Hopefully better developed vaccines will surge in the near future, perhaps only with one spike subunite instead of the whole protein.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Sofia

[carlos]

14 hours ago, trottigy said:

It sounds like one batch in particular they stopped using, but they are still vaccinating people for COVID19 in these countries, correct?

 

8 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

It does not look like a batch, but vaccine in general.

Yes, at the beginning the medical authorities made it seem it was just one particular batch that was giving problems, but now it seems there is something in that vaccine that may produce those unusual clots.

 

It seems some doctors in Germany have already found the reason and are working on a solution.

 

This is very sad, because it only creates distrust in the population. We are being constantly lied to. Just a few days ago some of the most relevant doctors in Spain performed the autopsy of a woman who had one of those blood clots after taking the AstraZeneca vaccine and absolutely discarded any link with the virus. The articles didn't explain how they discarded it, they just insisted on how famous those doctors were. Now the findings from Germany make them look like idiots.

 

IMO a much better approach would have been: 20 million people have received this vaccine and 9 of them (or 14 or 16, I am not sure) have died of blood clots. It's not clear if all those cases are vaccine-related, but even if they were, the vaccine's benefits still outweigh by far its dangers. I mean, if those 20 million people had caught the virus, 20,000 would have died. Nine (or 15 or 20) victims vs 20,000 seems quite a reasonable ratio.

[vern]

Why take a shot that isn.t a vaccine by definition:  gives immunity.

 

We were told that the desth rate to corona viruse was low. Once you have it and deal with it the natursl way you are immune.

 

If its been so contagious the heard immunity naturally also will be faster.

 

The whole reason true vaccines done the old fashion way took so long to make was to provide immunity and to not hurt you in the process.

 

This new mrna shots changes your cells permanently, and doesn.t give immunity.

 

 

They havecheap generic drugs that work on corona virus thats been proven safe and effective for decades. But out of the blue were villafied and banned.

 

 

Why is it they passed laws protecting vaccine companies from being sued if they hurt someone?  Why they give a non vaccine the name vaccine.

 

 

Why smear campaign honest doctors in the media?

 

Why are they using carrot on a stick tactics to try and get poeple to take it?.

 

If you really listen to what these poeple say they are not consistsnt.

 

Masks concentrate the stuff on tbe mask and its eadier to spread and also breath it back in.  Your body bresths stuff out to get sanitised by the oxygen in the air. 

 

Masks have been shown to drop blood oxygen which makes you more prone to getting sick.

 

Viruses are protien tools.  The vast majority of them are useful much like mamy bacteria in us are useful . in fact if we killed them all in our body we eould have psychiatric issues.

And in fact viruses aren.t actually alive like bacteria is.

 

 

 

The brothers say it is a conscience matter. They only advice about blood conscernes.

 

Were ggetting close to the end... Theres a reason Jehovah will cut short the days.  A good reason....

 

 

Probly better off doing things to strengthen the immune system.  The only true danger in corona is if you get stage 2 problems. But that can be prevented with early treatment and having a good immune system.

 

Ok... Well... Sorry if this offends anyone.  But from my perspective . do we really trust this world?.

 

If the vaccine worked why would vaccinated poeple worry about unvaxinated?. 

 

Delete this if you want. But theres plenty of evedence these shots are not safe.  Those that are damaged.... It shouldn.t be a percentage game.

[carlos]

4 hours ago, vern said:

Probly better off doing things to strengthen the immune system.  The only true danger in corona is if you get stage 2 problems. But that can be prevented with early treatment and having a good immune system.

Vern, you have some good points and other points I don't agree with. Of course, accepting a vaccine or not is a personal choice.

 

There are lots of viruses with a much higher death rate than covid19. Most people infected with this virus survive, and many without any permanent consequences. The problem with this virus is when hospitals become overcrowded. That's the point when a lot of people die, people who would have survived if they had received adequate medical care. In Spain most of the victims died in the first months of the pandemic because there were not enough respirators for all. Vaccines, masks and all the other measures basically try to reduce hospital load to prevent that.

 

I understand your point about calling a "vaccine" something that is not the traditional vaccine. But in the end it's the same thing. With one mechanism or the other, both produce the same results: antibodies that neutralize the virus. On the other hand it's not true that the mRNA vaccines change your cells permanently. They only send instructions to certain cells to produce some antibodies. The cells themselves are not changed. And having antibodies won't cause you any harm.

 

There is no evidence, as far as I know, that the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines present any problems for your health. It's the AstraZeneca vaccine that is probably linked to blood clots. Even then, it's less than one person in a million that has that problem. And that is not the vaccine you are receiving in the US anyway, it's a European thing.

 

 

Edited April 6, 2021 by carlos

[califlorican]

4 hours ago, vern said:

 

Ok... Well... Sorry if this offends anyone.  But from my perspective . do we really trust this world?.

 

If the vaccine worked why would vaccinated poeple worry about unvaxinated?. 

 

Delete this if you want. But theres plenty of evedence these shots are not safe.  Those that are damaged.... It shouldn.t be a percentage game.

I’m not sure what trusting the world has to do with getting vaccinated. You could say the same thing about everything in the world- why do we trust that our houses were built safely? Why do we trust car manufacturers? Why do we trust anything made by anyone? Because they’re experts in their field. Is the vaccination system perfect? No, but if it’s between that and seeing a couple more million people die- I’m picking the vaccine. That’s just my opinion.

[Sofia]

6 hours ago, vern said:

But theres plenty of evedence these shots are not safe. 

These are emergency jabs. Done on the rush with the available knowlege.

In the future better conceived corona vaccines will be developed.

[Sofia]

6 hours ago, vern said:

If its been so contagious the heard immunity naturally also will be faster.

yep ... and many will be dead....

6 hours ago, vern said:

Why is it they passed laws protecting vaccine companies from being sued if they hurt someone?

Satan´s World. Its always been like that. I use vaccines for 27 years and study coronavirus for that long and no lab has ever been blamed for adverse reactions

6 hours ago, vern said:

Probly better off doing things to strengthen the immune system.  The only true danger in corona is if you get stage 2 problems. But that can be prevented with early treatment and having a good immune system.

Im sorry... this is a CORONAVIRUS. Not a normal virus. Its a corona. I study corona for more than 20 years. They play with your imune system. If you have a strong imune reaction, either 2 things happen: a citokine storm develops and it destroys your body along with the virus; a big antibody reaction occurs creating bidings to specific antigens in virus and.. in your own body creating auto-imune disease.

No, a strong immune system is not the best defense agaisnt the coronavirus. Not even antibodies. The best defense are the celular Linf T cells. they are the main helpers with less havoc

I had COVID 14 months ago and I still have a lot of T cells to fight this virus. I tested last week.

This T cell response depends a lot on the person genetics! so its a bit out of our hands... It depends also on old viruses experiences the person had, and body inflamation. If a person has ongoing chronic inflamation it may have worse covid outcome.

 

Keep safe

Edited April 7, 2021 by Sofia

[Hope]

@Sofia I greatly appreciate your knowledgeable insights and contributions here - obrigado! ❤️ 

[vern]

32 minutes ago, Sofia said:

Keep safe

How would one prevent getting into stage 2 problems?

 

I've seen some doctors say using common drugs that have been banned are useful in early treatment to prevent stage 2 complications.

 

Hydroxychloroquine sulfate and some versions of chloroquine phosphate

this is used primarily for Malaria; and third world countries use it once a week.

 

 

Ivermectin---  watched a doctor in a USA congress-- some kind of governmental panel ask that they reevaluate this drug fr use with covid 19.  This was for s patient having symptoms.  not a preventative...(ok its bit confusing as this is primarily a parasite drug and originally used in veterinarian circles(by the way horse and human versions are different apparently))

 

 

 

I'm no expert but there are other voices out there not going along with the crowd but have long standing credentials and experience that make them credible.

 

 

I understand the over stimulation of the immune response...  yes thats a problem.  why are younger and more healthy persons have way less issues with covid 19 when they have the strongest immune systems?

 

 

you see a problem using common things like vitamin C/  zinc/  d3....  kinds of things?

 

 

 

 

[hatcheckgirl]

7 hours ago, vern said:

This new mrna shots changes your cells permanently, and doesn.t give immunity.

As has already been noted, this is not correct, and is actually falsely being spread by people who don’t want to take the vaccine because they are against vaccinations per se.

 

If you choose to have a vaccine or not, it is a personal choice. This has been mentioned AGAIN at our meeting announcement this month. But please base this decision on sound evidence. What you said above in your quote is simply not true. I understand anyone’s misgivings in taking the vaccine. It’s good we have the choice to do so or not. Let’s not be spreading the wrong information though. Peace, and stay safe my brother.

[vern]

My view is i see no way they can prevent complications...... No animsl trials as far
 As i know....  And it is experimental.

 

Some are saying that the mrna instruction aren.t persistant.... So guess someone is telling stories ... Problem with this age is planned confusion on every front....

 

Problem with this logic now is they will have everyone doing booster shots every 6 months now....

[WilliamChew]

9 minutes ago, vern said:

My view is i see no way they can prevent complications...... No animsl trials as far
 As i know....  And it is experimental.

I noticed the pfizer/biontech vaccine has had animal trials.

 

Which vaccine are you referring to that has not had animal trials?

[rocket]

A lot of miss information out there. One of which is that mRNA changes the Cell.  The fact is that mRNA does not get into the nucleus of the cell so it is impossible for it to make Permanente changes to the cell.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html#:~:text=It is important to note,nucleus or affects genetic material.

Quote

 

mRNA can most easily be described as instructions for the cell on how to make a piece of the “spike protein” that is unique to SARS-CoV-2. Since only part of the protein is made, it does not do any harm to the person vaccinated but it is antigenic.

 

After the piece of the spike protein is made, the cell breaks down the mRNA strand and disposes of them using enzymes in the cell. It is important to note that the mRNA strand never enters the cell’s nucleus or affects genetic material. This information helps counter misinformation about how mRNA vaccines alter or modify someone’s genetic makeup.

 

 

Why get the covid jab if it does not produce immunity.  Well the flu shot does not produce immunity either but it does reduce the severity of the flu.  The fact is getting covid-19 does not provide immunity either otherwise people would not be getting the virus a second time with even more severe symptoms.  With every variant to the virus ups the risk to getting the virus a second time. 

 

Nothing in life is perfectly safe.  30,000 people die every year in car accidents. Does that mean we shouldn't drive. People on kidney dialysis will die without it in a short time and yet there are a few instances when the technicians mess up and take too much and a client dies or needs emergency care.  So would it be better to not take a chance on someone messing up and refuse dialysis.

[vern]

ok...  i looked up the animal trials question; technically they didn't do animal trials when it was released experimentally for emergency use;  they did human and animal trials at the same time; so they can say they did animal trails at this time.  but did not traditionally do it the way they use to do it.

 

 

 

[New World Explorer]

7 hours ago, Sofia said:

celular Linf T cells

Interesting article here: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54781496

They have also discovered that a kind of immune cell, called a T-cell, attacks the cells infected with the virus. This is known as the cellular immune response and could also be key.

This study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a journal, suggests T-cells could play the more important role.

[Sofia]

1 minute ago, New World Explorer said:

Interesting article here: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54781496

They have also discovered that a kind of immune cell, called a T-cell, attacks the cells infected with the virus. This is known as the cellular immune response and could also be key.

This study, which has not yet been peer-reviewed or published in a journal, suggests T-cells could play the more important role.

yes, I know this ever since it began. Corona are familiar to me. This is true.

T cells are our best helpers not the antibodies.

In COVID 19 the biggest protection is cellular, not humoral.

 

One day I post a simple explanation how covid "works"

3 hours ago, rocket said:

A lot of miss information out there. One of which is that mRNA changes the Cell.  The fact is that mRNA does not get into the nucleus of the cell so it is impossible for it to make Permanente changes to the cell.

correct!

[New World Explorer]

On a lighter/humour side.... if drink corona beer, will I eventually develop antibodies against Covid? LOL