Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[califlorican]

6 minutes ago, Mclove said:

 

I’m not sure if this is responding to my question about what was sad? I do believe the comment on YouTube is politically charged- they seem to be upset with the current government response. It’s not any witnesses’ comment, so I don’t know why it’s sad that I mention this. Am I missing something? 

[WilliamChew]

1 hour ago, califlorican said:

@Mclove Can I ask what was sad about my comment? I’m not sure I understand. 

I find it sad that people believe these theories and as a result miss out on the benefits that they could have received.

 

Personally I'm so happy I've received my 2 doses of the pfizer vaccine. And also so happy to see that the UK managed to achieve zero deaths which I believe it likely due to 1/3 having 2 doses and 2/3 having 1 dose of the vaccine.

 

I almost responded to your post with a sad emoji myself. 😅

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, califlorican said:

Am I missing something? 

Sad doesn't always mean disagreeing.  Sometimes it feels wrong to respond to some posts with a like or smiley.  When someone shares with us a loved one died, a sad emoji might mean support.  When someone shares a sad news story, a sad emoji might be appropriate.  

[trottigy]

5 hours ago, WilliamChew said:

I find it sad that people believe these theories and as a result miss out on the benefits that they could have received.

 

Personally I'm so happy I've received my 2 doses of the pfizer vaccine. And also so happy to see that the UK managed to achieve zero deaths which I believe it likely due to 1/3 having 2 doses and 2/3 having 1 dose of the vaccine.

 

I almost responded to your post with a sad emoji myself. 😅

It is interesting to compare a Country that has over 50% with both vaccination and at least 60% with one - to a country that has only 10% (India) and that instead is ACTIVELY using "alternatives" for MANY MONTHS.

 

 

That says a lot to me.....

 

[Fallbrookian]

13 hours ago, lovjahupepl said:

Just want to say I don't mean to imply that health care workers, doctors, nurses and those on the frontline during this pandemic are not trying to help keep people healthy.  They are doing their best with what they are taught and the information they are told/provided from agencies like the CDC.

 

No matter what one's position is "to take a shot" or "not" do not let your guard down as the governing body said they will be taking a wait and see approach once things start reopening. 

 

The world is thinking about "profits" not "lives" so stay safe and alert .

 

 

 

 

Thank you for being logical, clear and rational in your comments above and before this.  The video of the news clip was kind of heart wrenching because I'm thinking these poor people who believe their vaccine should be a cure all. (Prov 14:15) I agree 100% with everything you said.  When I read the question "why are the ones responsible for the logistics of administering giving shots also in charge of gathering the data on their effectiveness or ineffectiveness?"  I was thinking well that's like "the fox watching the henhouse!"  I'm also thankful for our GB who would never single out anyone for their choice of medical care as if what they chose to do would bring harm to others or themselves. 

[friendlyone]

Although I've had both of my vaccinations (AstraZeneca) I still maintain the same safety levels as I did prior to the jabs.

 

Social distancing, only mixing in 'bubbles', wearing face masks in enclosed spaces etc. And I reckon most people are doing the same, working on the basis better to be safe than sorry.

 

As for conspiracy theories, whilst it pays to ask questions, and we wouldn't want to be gullible, maybe we should acknowledge that it's in the interest of governments to get their countries over this pandemic as soon as possible. Unless something has since come to light, the last I heard was that AstraZeneca were letting their vaccines go at cost price, without making any profit. And, some countries have received millions of doses free of charge, sent to them by other, better off, countries.

 

Here in the UK the government is encouraging people to acquire a free covid home testing kit, with the results known after 30 minutes of the test. Happy to say I did my first one earlier today and I'm clear. Having said that, I go out so rarely I'd be very surprised if I'd picked covid up. Still, it helps the government track the spread, or not, of the pandemic, so I don't mind doing my bit. 

 

 

[Loopy]

Anxious to hear if the Governing Body replies for Michigan about relaxing wearing masks. Numbers are still going up around my area and the 2 counties I go to shop have the highest numbers in the Upper Peninsula. 

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Loopy said:

Anxious to hear if the Governing Body replies for Michigan about relaxing wearing masks. Numbers are still going up around my area and the 2 counties I go to shop have the highest numbers in the Upper Peninsula. 

They've not made any replies to any specific states or nations yet, have they?  Why should they do so in this case?

 

And it's not only Michigan relaxing Covid restrictions.  Most of the country is doing so, especially after the latest information from the CDC.  Ohio ends all restrictions (with a few exceptions) on June 2.  

[Loopy]

When we have our service group meeting on Thursday our elder let’s us know any time when they get a letter if it had some info about the virus in our state.

 

That’s all I meant.
 

They just might say it’s up to us personally 🤷‍♀️

[Shawnster]

Ahhhh 

[Tia]

I love this - last week I had an interesting discussion with my bible student!~and

often times find myself revisiting it 

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/peace-happiness/conspiracy-theories-misinformation/

[AH173]

9 hours ago, Shawnster said:

They've not made any replies to any specific states or nations yet, have they?  Why should they do so in this case?

My local boe just emphasized in the local needs part toward the end that "nothing has changed" from what fds has said up to this point.

[M.J.]

On 5/14/2021 at 12:18 PM, trottigy said:

It is interesting to compare a Country that has over 50% with both vaccination and at least 60% with one - to a country that has only 10% (India) and that instead is ACTIVELY using "alternatives" for MANY MONTHS.

 

 

That says a lot to me.....

 

[Sofia]

This weeks updates on COVID-19:

[Evidence published between 12/05/2021 and 18/05/2021]

The sequencing gap

Researchers point out that there are not enough viral samples being sequenced globally to keep track of emerging variants. Wealthy nations are doing most of the sequencing, while variants are likely circulating unnoticed in many countries with high viral transmission. “It would be much more interesting to sequence the last 1,000 cases in the Central African Republic than the next 100,000 cases in Germany,” says one of the experts interviewed.

Markers that predict severe COVID-19 disease

Certain markers associated with the activation of the complement cascade (a part of the immune system that helps clear microbes and damaged cells) are elevated in patients with severe COVID-19, as compared to other non-COVID patients with respiratory failure, according to a study by Yale and Washington University.

Also, asymptomatic or mild disease was found to be associated with an early and strong response of CD8+ T cells and plasmablasts (that differentiate into antibody-secreting cells), and the absence of systemic inflammation, according to a study that analysed serial samples from 200 infected individuals with a range of disease severities. In contrast, hospitalized patients had systemic inflammation that was already evident after developing the first symptoms.

New vaccine candidates enter Phase 3

Inovio published safety and immunogenicity results of the Phase 2 trial (4oo participants) for its DNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2. The vaccine was well-tolerated and induced good humoral and cellular responses.

Sanofi and GSK also announced positive results for the phase 2 clinical trial of their COVID-19 vaccine, based on recombinant Spike proteins. They said one single dose generated strong levels of neutralizing antibodies in recipients across all ages, but results have not yet been published. They will test two formulations in their Phase 3 trial - one targeting the original Wuhan strain and the other targeting the B.1.351 variant).

Mixing vaccines

Preliminary data from the Com-CoV study in the UK, which is testing the benefits of combining doses of different COVID-19 vaccines, suggests that mixing AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccine doses causes more moderate side effects (such as fever or headaches) than using the same vaccine for both doses. The adverse reactions however were temporary and there were no other safety concerns.

The ISCIII in Spain announced preliminary results for its CombivacS study, showing that a second dose of Pfizer 8-12 weeks after a first dose of AstraZeneca is safe and induces good levels of anti-Spike antibodies.

Easier storage

The EMA has said that Pfizer’s mRNA vaccine can be stored up to one month at 2-8 C (instead of only five days), which will facilitate the vaccine’s handling and roll-out in Europe and beyond.

[cme]

On 5/13/2021 at 10:34 PM, lovjahupepl said:

Here's some critical thinking that is not Yes/No answer?  This is not meant to be for or against the shot but these questions are food for thought.

 

If the shot is as safe as it's said to be "why does everyone taking it" have to sign a waiver of some sort?

 

Can you really trust that a company in satan's world that makes a health product really tell us if they find it doesn't work well or causes harm?

 

Shouldn't a company that is sure their product works stand behind it and not require you to sign a form saying you won't hold the makers responsible? 

Why is there legislation in place to "protect companies" from damages resulting from shots?

 

Why are the ones responsible for the logistics of administering/giving shots also the ones in charge of gathering the data on their effectiveness or ineffectiveness?

Why are they also the ones to says "if a reaction, side effect, etc is the result of the shot or not?

If someone dies after taking the first or 2nd shot why are these same people responsible for saying it's related to or unrelated to said shot?

 

Why is it when someone gets sick, dies after taking the shot it's because of underlying conditions.  It couldn't possibly the shot?

What are ALL the ingredients in the shot?

 

Why does every medication known to man that treats 1 thing always has a lot of "side effects" if you read the precautions on the bag the pharmacy give us?

 

I could go on but simply put if one wants to take the shot "that is their decision and others should respect it".  Same for those that don't want to take it.  The governing body didn't say we should think only in the abstract, literal, or otherwise.  They simply tell us to consider what's best for our own families because everyone's situation is different.  They also keep reminding us that we are living in a world run by satan.  We can't always trust what we are told.  We also need to not get distracted and turn on each other about these shots, wearing masks or other this entire pandemic saga.  We can't keep calling "people that choose to not take a shot" anti-vaxer, etc.  Or accuse them of blood guilt if they don't take a shot.  The best way to get people to comply is to instill panic and fear. 

 

This pandemic is a distraction for the world and we need to stay focused.  Jesus only told us to at Matthew 28:19,20  "go make disciples".  He didn't tell us to go make our Brothers and Sisters take a shot.

 

Proverbs 14:15 tells us The naive person believes every word, But the shrewd one ponders each step. 

 

Not calling anyone "naive" just saying we have to consider the source of the information we are getting from the world on this matter.  If it fits an agenda then the life of people over profits will win out everytime.  We should make sure we are not becoming like the world trying to bully people "that choose not to take a shot" into doing so.  It's not our job to police others or judge them because of their decision.

 

Matthew 5:26 reminds us of the woman that suffered from trying to get cures "in this system" when the only cure will come from Jehovah's son "Jesus".

 

 

 

 

Because of the urgency.  This Pandemic took millions of lives.  Science could not wait.  Time was of the essence.  They employed the best of the best scientist and were able to make these vaccines available.

 

The ingredients in these vaccines have patents.

[cme]

Many of us stood back and watched the population as they took vaccines.  Some friends opted to taking the vaccine because they are the sole bread winner of their household and, they most go out to work.

 

Others weighed the options and decided to take it because they are caretakers of either their parents or patients.

 

Others like myself and husband waited to see if it was safe and when convinced of what we saw not what was said we went it took ours.

 

We all have different reasons to decide for or against and that is each individuals conscience.

 

[Hope]

I received my second Pfizer jab today. Of course, anything I'm feeling could be related to something else, so I'm not sure. 😑  Like a dummy, I didn't eat or have coffee beforehand- is that the reason for the dizziness and budding headache? 🤔 

 

I feel basically okay, just hanging at home. I'm happy I've done my part for health and safety! 👍🏼

[cme]

My daughter got a headache too.  But, just for one day.  Some people have some type of reaction nothing dangerous others don't. 

 

My husband and I got no reaction.

 

You not eating did not help. 

[friendlyone]

On 5/14/2021 at 3:34 AM, lovjahupepl said:

Here's some critical thinking that is not Yes/No answer?  This is not meant to be for or against the shot but these questions are food for thought.

 

If the shot is as safe as it's said to be "why does everyone taking it" have to sign a waiver of some sort?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know about other places, but I'm in the UK, and I never had to sign any waiver.

[WilliamChew]

8 minutes ago, friendlyone said:

I don't know about other places, but I'm in the UK, and I never had to sign any waiver.

Good point. 😅

I too didn't have to sign a waiver when I was vaccinated in Singapore with the pfizer vaccine.

[cme]

Neither did we.

[Shawnster]

Did you sign anything? Fill out a form?  We had to fill out a form with our initial shot. 

 

Do you have a card showing you were vaccinated? Does it have your name on it?  

[AH173]

9 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Did you sign anything? Fill out a form?  We had to fill out a form with our initial shot. 

 

Do you have a card showing you were vaccinated? Does it have your name on it?  

I did it twice, for my Moderna from giant eagle pharmacy. 

[WilliamChew]

13 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Did you sign anything? Fill out a form?  We had to fill out a form with our initial shot. 

 

Do you have a card showing you were vaccinated? Does it have your name on it?  

Yes. We had to fill an online form for registration.

 

After each vaccination a vaccine acknowledgement receipt was printed.

 

[Sofia]

10 minutes ago, WilliamChew said:

Yes. We had to fill an online form for registration.

 

After each vaccination a vaccine acknowledgement receipt was printed.

 

yep, in Portugal everyone has to sign a document agreeing with vaccination. 😉