Russia invades Ukraine

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

But is it Jehovah's timing? It's demonic propaganda from demonic sources.  Jehovah is not the source. 

What I mean by timing is: is not that Jehovah is the source.

Jehovah is a great timekeeper and he will allow certain events to occur because they perfectly resonate with his timetable of events. 
Allowing something to happen to fullfill prophecy does not mean that he is the source of it. They are two completely separate aspects. Hope you understand what I mean.  (Jesus died according to Jehovah’s timetable, he allowed it to happen) 

Edited October 14, 2022 by New World Explorer

[Hotteok]

I’m sorry this is off topic but I sometimes wonder what would happen if Jehovah does not step in to save us?

World governments will surely dissemble us JWs as an organization..  and we’ll be unable to worship freely.. or preach.

 

The world will turn into an uninhabitable furnace due to global warming.. maybe UN will get so strong that everyone will have to go under its control.. 

 

complete dystopia?

[Exter]

2 hours ago, Hotteok said:

complete dystopia

Forget this, dear Bro. For longer time i like dystopia. But  It is interesting in a certain sense. But not worth thinking about what if. It's a waste of time.

[cme]

Friends, we do not know how all of this will really end.  We do know that however it ends, we must remain faithful and trust in Jehovah.  (Pro. 3:5,6).

 

At this critical time Jehovah will do his peculiar work. "Stand still and see the salvation of Jehovah" ( 2Chron. 20:17).  No one has the full understanding and the scope of how and when Jehovah will act.  (Job 15:8) "To the confidential talk of God do you listen, and do you limit wisdom to yourself?"

 

At this point not even the GB. Faith and prayers are called for at this time.  Jehovah will deliver us!  He knows we are here.  And we are safe. 

 

The more scenarios we come up with, fear will set in.  Jehovah has the whole scope in his hands.

[cme]

On 10/12/2022 at 3:20 PM, Sofia said:

It seemed to me at the time of pandemic that it could lead to GT, but a war was on the way and now we are still expecting for P&S + BTG destruction at any time now. The scene of the World can change quickly.

 

It did Sofia.  Almost 3 years ago.  We will never go back to what we knew 3 years ago.  The Pandemic turned this world upside down.  This pandemic is worse then the Spanish Influenza.  This one will not go away.   The looming war has everyone on edge.  The mentality of man is critical, cruel, evil to say the least.  Satan is behind all of this just to get to us.  The best is yet to come.  Or, the worst is yet to come before the best follows.  New World.

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Pabo said:

his palatial tents between the sea and the holy mountain of Decoration

It’s interesting… 

something like this has happened before

back in 66 EC when Cestius Gallus pitched Roman tents in the field near the western  Jerusalem walls

between the Mediterranean Sea and the holy mountain where the temple was

this act started the great tribulation fullfillment back in the first century 

 

Roman army was the disgusting thing in place to cause desolation

it didn’t hurt any loyal Christian 

because the presence was shortened and they could escape 

 

KOTN WONT be succeed when try to destroy all Jehovah s people

thats what this chapter 11 prophecy is all about the interaction of both kings with God’s people

Edited October 14, 2022 by Sofia

[cme]

interesting.

 

[Pabo]

Interesting video on YouTube about what could happen if Russia decides to use a nuclear weapon.

 

 

So if it gets to a point of this happening, it shows what avenues the US may choose to go.

[Doug]

On 10/13/2022 at 6:36 PM, Tortuga said:

 I wonder if there needs to be a larger threat to more of the world before the world will say there is P&S when that threat is eliminated.

Yes.   I can't think of the terminology , but in books and movies , the creator/author must first create the evil one in order to defeat the evil one.

Things can't get better yet.  They have to get worse before they get better.   SUCCESS!!!!    P&S

[Dustparticle]

On 10/14/2022 at 12:37 AM, Pabo said:

In regards to the part of Daniel 11:44, "the reports from the north and east" there can be the following possible situation.

 

If Russia decided to use a tactical small yield nuclear device on Ukraine, and the US decided to act upon themselves to launch a mini counter strike by using their tactical weapons, looking to the below global map, if you look at where the USA would launch some form of nuclear attack (mostly from the central and western parts of the US continent), as well as from the oceans in the Arctic Ocean, Bering Sea, the missiles would be coming from the north and the east of Moscow, as the flight trajectory would be shorter and quicker over the north pole.

 

 

Would this be possible that when the KOTN hears these reports, he then hits the big red button and then "devote many to destruction"?

 

But verse 45 is interesting, as he would still have to be around, as he has to put his palatial tents between the sea and the holy mountain of Decoration. Unless this means that he will go toe-to-toe with the UN (the so-called holy mountain of decoration) because the grand sea (that is the general people) has called for his removal, which when the UN actually gets some teeth, thus "he will come all the to his end" by them. And that because that Russia has pushed the limits, that China will then pull back from it's aggression and "be no helper for him"?

 

Of course, this come with the disclaimer that this is purely speculation.

I think you need to do deeper research on Daniel 11:44,45.

[Dhanyel]

Putin says Ukraine mobilisation should be finished in two weeks

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-vows-strengthen-its-armed-forces-after-major-russian-air-strikes-2022-10-10/

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, Loyal said:

Putin says Ukraine mobilisation should be finished in two weeks

https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-vows-strengthen-its-armed-forces-after-major-russian-air-strikes-2022-10-10/

Didn't he say the same thing back in February? 

[Dhanyel]

7 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Ele não disse a mesma coisa em fevereiro? 

Yes, He sleeps with one decision, and wakes up with a totally different one. 

[jrnievas]

6 minutes ago, Loyal said:

Yes, He sleeps with one decision, and wakes up with a totally different one. 

I remember Biden too, he always woke up like "Oh, am I the president of America? Ah, okay. Now I remember." 

[Shawnster]

3 hours ago, jrnievas said:

I remember Biden too, he always woke up like "Oh, am I the president of America? Ah, okay. Now I remember." 

Don't believe everything in the media 

[Tortuga]

11 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Don't believe everything in the media 

True, the media can be very disrespectful of the superior authorities.

[BLEmom]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/16/russia-mobilization-men/
 

Raids are happening to gather men to war. Getting scarier for all men in Russia. 
I wonder what the brothers direction is considering…

[Dhanyel]

Iran agrees to ship missiles, more drones to Russia 

a move that is likely to infuriate the United States and other Western powers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-iran-agrees-ship-missiles-more-drones-russia-defying-west-sources-2022-10-18/

[New World Explorer]

2 hours ago, Loyal said:

Iran agrees to ship missiles, more drones to Russia 

a move that is likely to infuriate the United States and other Western powers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-iran-agrees-ship-missiles-more-drones-russia-defying-west-sources-2022-10-18/

When it comes to Iran, in essence the government is “religious” as state and church are linked. Clerical oriented Muslim officials are part of the government. How is this perceived by Western powers when “religious” government “contributes” to their problems, remains to be seen. But on paper it does not look good.

[Dhanyel]

1 hour ago, New World Explorer said:

Quando se trata do Irã, em essência, o governo é “religioso”, pois estado e igreja estão ligados. Oficiais muçulmanos de orientação clerical fazem parte do governo. Como isso é percebido pelas potências ocidentais quando o governo “religioso” “contribui” para seus problemas, continua a ser visto. Mas no papel não parece bom.

all very sad, i keep imagining the brothers in ukraine

[hatcheckgirl]

3 hours ago, Loyal said:

all very sad, i keep imagining the brothers in ukraine

I know, it’s very hard to watch this unfolding and not feel for the troubles and trauma our faithful brothers and sisters are facing in both countries.

 

Let’s remember, our God will infuse the superabundantly with power to endure this, just as he did for our brothers in Nazi times.  I was reading this from a Jewish Holocaust site:

 

“Conditions in Nazi camps were generally harsh for all inmates, many of whom died from hunger, disease, exhaustion, exposure to the cold, and brutal treatment. But, as psychoanalyst Bruno Bettelheim and others have noted, Witnesses were uniquely sustained in the camps by the support they gave each other and by their belief that their suffering was part of their work for God. Individual Witnesses astounded their guards with their refusal to conform to military-type routines like roll call or to roll bandages for soldiers at the front. At the same time, Witnesses were considered unusually trustworthy because they refused to escape from camps or physically resist their guards. For this reason, Witnesses were often used as domestic servants by Nazi camp officers and guards.

 

According to Rudolf Höss, Commandant of Auschwitz, SS Chief Heinrich Himmler often used the "fanatical faith" of Jehovah's Witnesses as an example to his own SS troops. In his view, SS men had to have the same "unshakable faith" in the National Socialist ideal and in Adolf Hitler that the Witnesses had in Jehovah. Only when all SS men believed as fanatically in their own philosophy would Adolf Hitler's state be permanently secure.“

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jehovah-s-witnesses-in-the-holocaust

 

Their suffering is real, but look how Jehovah kept those brother and sisters going, surviving one of the most brutal regimes on the planet. The Nazi regime was the KoN then, just as Russia is now, so we have full confidence Jehovah knows how to look after his faithful ones.

 

2 Pet 2:9 So, then, Jehovah knows how to rescue people of godly devotion out of trial, but to reserve unrighteous people to be destroyed on the day of judgment

[jayrtom]

On 9/30/2022 at 2:10 PM, Dages said:

After Putin's talk, if anyone had doubt about Russia as the KotN...  

Interesting that the FDS declared Russia as the KOTN even before this war

On 10/14/2022 at 12:27 AM, careful said:

but why would people say "peace and security"  when nukes just got dropped in  ukaine??  it has been said that the cry means "we have peace".....not "we want peace"   

The cry for P&S requires first that a war be in place for the cry to happen after the war "supposdly" ends

On 10/14/2022 at 2:36 AM, Tortuga said:

I agree, but the war in Ukraine doesn't touch most of the world. We are affected by it, but my life isn't in danger. I wonder if there needs to be a larger threat to more of the world before the world will say there is P&S when that threat is eliminated.

It's interesting that I just heard from the German Bethel about Daniel 11:42,43. 

Where it says on ver 42, "...And he will keep thrusting out his hand against the lands..." Lands possibily means that Russia will increase its war incursions to other countries. Based on that assumption, the organization is mounting a plan/structure to welcome refugees from al over Europe

 

On 10/15/2022 at 4:26 PM, Shawnster said:

Don't believe everything in the media 

On 10/15/2022 at 4:41 PM, Tortuga said:

True, the media can be very disrespectful of the superior authorities.

Do you mean those videos where Biden seems to be babbling and not being able to articulate one word that he said was the only thing America needs? Or the one that he forgot that he had already given an handshake to somebody and was trying to give it again?

[Shawnster]

1 hour ago, jayrtom said:

The cry for P&S requires first that a war be in place for the cry to happen after the war "supposdly" ends

Source? Is there a scripture or Watchtower comment that supports this statement? 

 

I can understand if this is your opinion. It might even be a correct opinion. We just need to be clear when we express an opinion, conjecture, or personal idea as opposed to a statement of fact. 

 

 

[Sofia]

Putin declares martial law in four occupied regions as Kyiv presses offensive

 

Source: https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/19/europe/putin-russia-martial-law-intl/index.html
 

 

[Sofia]

More details here:

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/10/19/putin-declares-martial-law-in-annexed-regions-of-ukraine

 

i sure hope no more JW living in these territories anymore