Being Healthy - while waiting for perfect health

[Snufkin]

 

We love our brothers and sisters, and we obviously want them to live forever. But, we also want them to outlive this corrupt, rotting system. With this in mind, I want to share some important information that has helped me, and many others to live long and healthy lives – without unnecessary medication, and with minimal health problems.

The Governing Body often address the dangers of alcohol abuse, drugs, smoking, risk-taking, and other dangerous habits. From time to time, they has also commented on the need to eat healthily. Yet, even these faithful brothers haven't fully appreciated the dangers of poor nutrition. To put things into perspective, consider the following statistics – from the US Centre For Disease Control and Prevention;

 

Deaths from alcohol - 178,000

Deaths from drugs - 107,543

Deaths from smoking - 480,00

 

Now. Consider diets. The number of deaths caused by excessive, or poor diets, including obesity, was 678,000. This is more than all of the other dangers combined, and by far the biggest killer in society today. Very few active Witnesses of Jehovah have a problem with alcohol abuse, smoking, or drugs, and if they do, they are helped, or disciplined. However, the picture is not the same when it comes to diet. In my own congregation, here in England, at least one third of our congregation are obese, or morbidly obese. They suffer ongoing serious medical conditions, and need life-saving medications – regularly. Of course it must be acknowledged that, some people are overweight through no fault of their own – genetic, or medical reasons for example. My own daughter has Hypothyroidism, Clinical Depression, and Fibromyalgia – all of which either cause weight gain, or prevent her from being physically active.

 

But the majority of brothers and sisters who are overweight are just simply being unwise or weak with their diets. Does Jehovah care about this? Of course He does, and the Governing Body has reflected that care, in the advice and admonishment they give us.

 

It might surprise many of you to learn that Jehovah did not design humans to be meat-eaters. If you doubt that to be true, I recommend that you look at the Watchtower publications. For example – the W/T of 1961 page 766 – reads - “It is evident that God set the perfect man and woman on a vegetarian diet, without suggesting even dairy products.”

 

Now, we know that – after the flood - when mankind were no longer perfect, Jehovah gave humans permission to eat animals. However, assuming that- in the coming paradise (the “Re-creation” as Jesus called it) - things will revert to their original perfect state, then we will logically be vegetarian again. The Governing Body confirm this – as follows;

 

“All those creatures, human and subhuman, were able to live without flesh for a whole year inside the ark. Why could not every one of those living creatures live without flesh during 1,656 years prior to the Flood, or back to the time when God specified to Adam and Eve in Eden what he had given to earthly creatures as food? And if they could subsist that way during the first 1,656 years of man’s existence, why can they not return to that way of life and keep living that way during the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and then for eternity?”

 

While we wait for Jehovah's perfect new world, we are permitted to eat animals, but shouldn't we be slowly easing ourselves towards a natural, healthy plant-based diet – as Jehovah originally intended? It is interesting to note a warning from scripture about food. Proverbs 23.20 warns - “Do not be among those who drink too much wine, Among those who gorge themselves on meat.” A person cannot “gorge” themselves on fruit and vegetables. We need to be selective in what we eat – avoiding fatty meats, excessive sugars, and dairy products – which Jehovah never intended us to eat. We also need to consider how much we eat. Many millions of people – including our beloved brothers and sister – have died, or are suffering as a consequence of overeating, or eating poor diets. We want them to live, and be healthy.

 

I can testify, from personal experience and in depth study on nutrition, to the benefits of a plant-based diet. I am nearly 64 years old, and have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have never had a serious medical problem and I do not take any medications regularly, unlike most people of my age. My siblings – all 6 of them, of which I am the third youngest - have been very unwise in their choices. 3 of them are dead prematurely, and the other 3 are suffering from serious medical problems. Clinical studies have proven – time and again - that a plant-based diet significantly reduces the risks of Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes, and many other illnesses, including - surprisingly - Dementia. In fact, vegetarians usually live several years longer than most people on an omnivore diet. Jehovah started Adam and Eve on a path of natural foods – Fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains and legumes. Shouldn't we be getting back on that path now, and helping our dear brothers and sisters to get back on it too – in preparation for the wonderful new world which is just around the corner?

Edited 20 hours ago by Qapla
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[trottigy]

 

Thank you for your opinion. When we are in the new world, I'll believe it when I see it. 

 

I don't believe in a God who gave us something that's awful - as a gift (Genesis 9:3). He gave us meat to eat not because He hates us and wants us to see us die early, but we know He loves us.

 

I am reminded of a Bible verse at James 1:17: 

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Every good gift and every perfect present is from above,

 

I also don't believe in a God who takes away gifts once given. I don't believe He's going to make everything go black and white, no longer have any taste, clothing or even take away marriage and child bearing - or any other gift He's given.

 

I'm happy to get there and find out, I know He'll do what's best because as said above, I know He loves us.

Edited Monday at 03:14 PM by trottigy

[Watching and Waiting]

1 hour ago, Snufkin said:

The Governing Body often address the dangers of alcohol abuse, drugs, smoking, risk-taking, and other dangerous habits. From time to time, they has also commented on the need to eat healthily. Yet, even these faithful brothers haven't fully appreciated the dangers of poor nutrition.

With all due respect, you lost me with this statement. Jesus said the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ would give the domestics their ‘food at the proper time.’ As I’m sure you’re aware, he was not talking about physical food. Their focus would be on spiritual food. 

While what you are espousing may sound reasonable, and you are certainly not the first to do so by any means, it is your choice and nothing more. And if it works for you—good health to you.  
 

Some try to incorporate some elements of which you speak, but most simply do not have the circumstances to do so, even if they wanted to. This can be due to  financial constraints (in the US healthy food can often be much costlier), or many live in what are now termed ‘food deserts’ where healthy food is near impossible to afford or purchase. Others are just overwhelmed with all that it takes to just ‘keep their head above the water’ and they just do the best they can in their circumstances. All of us know that we need to present our bodies as a sacrifice, living and holy to Jehovah, and we avoid things that defile us. But, we cannot beat the sin that is within us and it unfortunately causes an early death for countless millions. 

 

There are many layers to what you synthesized into a few paragraphs, but the bottom line is, each must decide what they will consume and becoming overly concerned at this juncture only distracts us from the important work Jesus assigned all of his followers. For me, I have found that a good goal is to be moderate in my eating habits. I had previous bouts with being too consumed with what and how much I ate—it was time consuming and tedious. It was difficult as I was employed by that industry.  
 

We don’t know what Jehovah has in store for us—the artistic depictions focus on lots of fresh foods and grains—and at that time under the administration of our King, I can’t wait for the banquet. 

[Tortuga]

1 hour ago, Snufkin said:

I can testify, from personal experience and in depth study on nutrition, to the benefits of a plant-based diet. I am nearly 64 years old, and have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have never had a serious medical problem and I do not take any medications regularly, unlike most people of my age.

Good for you!

OTOH, I am 68 years old, I am not a vegan, vegetarian or on any type of restricted diet. I have never had a serious medical problem, and I do not take any medications except a few vitamins. Genetics has a big role in our personal health too.

[trottigy]

Sadly, it is the NON-meat foods that are causing people to be obese and this whole "Ozempic" thing is showing it to be true. Insulin resistant fat is a real thing.

 

If you go to a doctor, it will be the NON-meat foods they will tell you to cut back on - wheat, corn, soy, sugar, and dairy. Most of these are GMO'd and way over processed to be good for you. They will also likely suggest you stay away for the "vegetable" oils - especially the "partially hydrogenated" ones.  Think - meat is not the source of the worse NON-meat item people eat -> SUGAR. That comes from plants, fruits and vegetables.

 

Eat 8 ounces of fried bacon verse 8 ounces of potato chips and see which adds the weight and makes you feel bloated.

 

It is not the meat causing people to be obese IMO.

 

OK, all that said - does that make God to blame? Did He give us bad gifts? No, it is what man has done to these gifts that is the problem – NOT the gifts. In the New World it will be HUMANs that get adjusted NOT the gifts.

 

 

EDIT: last post from me on this - promise 

 

Edited Monday at 06:10 PM by trottigy

[dljbsp]

Thank you for sharing these thoughts on health and nutrition. I appreciate the intention to encourage our brothers and sisters to live healthier lives. However, after reviewing the information, I would like to offer some clarifications and adjustments to ensure accuracy and alignment with biblical and organizational teachings.

 

First, it’s great to highlight the dangers of unhealthy lifestyles, such as alcohol abuse, smoking, and drug use. The Governing Body has indeed provided regular reminders about avoiding these harmful practices. While diet is an important factor in health, it’s worth noting that the organization’s focus has always been on balance and moderation, rather than prescribing specific dietary practices.

 

The statistics about diet-related deaths being the leading cause of mortality compared to alcohol, smoking, and drugs are thought-provoking. However, it’s important to confirm these figures with reliable sources like the CDC to ensure they reflect the most current and accurate data. Additionally, while poor diet is a major health concern, personal choices and circumstances often vary, and not all weight-related issues stem from unwise decisions, as you acknowledged.

 

Regarding Jehovah’s original design for humans to eat a plant-based diet, Genesis 1:29 supports this point. However, after the Flood, Jehovah permitted the consumption of meat (Genesis 9:3). Speculation about a return to vegetarianism in the new world is not explicitly stated in scripture or confirmed by the Governing Body. While the cited Watchtower references are interesting, they do not suggest that vegetarianism will be mandatory or a requirement during the Millennium.

 

The statement about Jehovah not intending humans to consume dairy products also lacks direct biblical or doctrinal support. While dairy isn’t mentioned in Genesis 1:29, the Bible references dairy positively in other contexts, such as the land “flowing with milk and honey” (Exodus 3:8). This suggests that dairy consumption has been considered a blessing in certain times and contexts.

 

Finally, while plant-based diets have been shown to provide many health benefits, it’s essential to respect personal choices and circumstances. Encouraging moderation, self-control, and care for one’s body aligns with scriptural principles (Proverbs 23:20; Romans 12:1). Instead of advocating specific dietary practices, focusing on these principles allows us to remain united and supportive of one another, reflecting Jehovah’s care.

 

Thank you again for raising this important topic, and I hope these thoughts contribute to a balanced and encouraging perspective.

Just a little P.S.:
There is limited and mixed evidence on whether a vegan diet leads to mental health issues. Research suggests that diet and mental health are connected, but the relationship between veganism and mental health is complex and influenced by various factors.

Edited Monday at 06:33 PM by dljbsp
PS

[Ishaya]

Thank you Bro Steve for your good intention to help your brothers live well.

But,I will like you to know that living solely on the vegan diet Is not recommended medically.

 

People who choose to live this way try to use supplements to make up for important nutrients they are missing from meat,plus that,it is very expensive to live solely on vegan diet,only the rich can afford that lifestyle.

You need a lot more fruits to really full your stomach for long enough 😂

[Canyon_1985]

Get lots of sleep, eat healthy, and exercise should do the trick I know soda, ice cream is temping but only have on weekends that's how I turned out healthy by doing that stuff if you want to prevent any diseases please follow instructions, and drink tea every night to prevent sickness( like flu, cold, RSV, covid 19 ) and go to the yearly doctor appointments! Go to my bonus topic about  amazing features of 5 animals! Remember to also stay friends with Jehovah’!

[Ishaya]

Also consider that Jehovah is progressive in his creation.

Jehovah brings about changes as time passes.

 

For example Adam and Eve were initially going about naked when they were perfect.it was after they sinned that Jehovah made clothing for them.

 

Will you therefore reason that humans were meant to be going about nude?

Or Will we revert to that naked way of living in the new world when we become perfect like Adam and Eve?

[Myew]

Based on my experiences and studies of the scriptures, I have a rather opposite view compared to the original post. I also want to share what has helped me. I ask your forgiveness and patience as I try to explain why I believe this way from the scriptures. If you choose to read it, please understand that I personally struggle very much when it comes to giving advice or expressing my strong opinions. I am autistic, I tend to think in black and white, I am tactless, and I have spoken without care and hurt people many times without understanding why they are upset. I don't believe in the notion that 'different things work for different people', I don't feel that's scripturally based and I believe that fundamentally Jehovah designed our biology and physiology to work in the same way across the human genome and that some simply have better circumstances than others (time and unforeseen occurences). I am trying to improve in my empathy for others and in my respecting everyone else' choices that they make before Jehovah based on their own conscience. I wholeheartedly agree with and believe that we must do our utmost as dedicated servants of Jehovah to improve our health to serve him to the best of our capacity. I respect the diligence of those who take their health seriously and work hard to do so for Jehovah. For me, this meant I had to give up grains, vegetation and sugar in order to ease my severe suffering from lifelong chronic illnesses and near deaths caused by the poor diet and nutrition of my forebears. I have been a carnivore for most of the past 2 years now. I can easily eat over 3000 calories a day and still never gain weight past my standard 5'4" 120 lbs unless I somehow manage to build muscle despite my connective tissue disorder. This video that came out yesterday explains much of why what I am doing is working for me far better than I can, it is one of the best synopses of the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFv04wcBt4

To preface everything else I'm about to say: It does not matter what the conditions were in the Garden of Eden, or what they may be in the future regarding food, nutrition or rules. We don't know. We don't know all of the details of how the soil and vegetation was different from the way it is now, we don't know what capabilities humans had that we do not have now, we don't know how the microbiome differed. What matters is that we do what Jehovah has told us to do right now.
 

 

4 hours ago, Snufkin said:

assuming that- in the coming paradise (the “Re-creation” as Jesus called it) - things will revert to their original perfect state, then we will logically be vegetarian again.

 

If you believe this, then I must assume that you also believe that in the Garden of Eden, the earth was under a water canopy and had a much more constant temperate climate. In this case, then things would not be reverting back to that state, because the scriptures and our publications say: (Genesis 8:22) From now on, the earth will never cease to have seed-sowing and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, and day and night.” https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1979610?#h=5-8 This does not mean that the earth will not be perfect for our needs or for Jehovah's purpose. As the one who causes to become, he can make the earth or us into whatever is needed to fit his purpose. He has already done so many times. He put the fear of man into the animals after the flood... and that is something he will take away in the new world according to Isaiah. He is "making all things new", "a new earth". New doesn't mean that it will be the same. Perfect individuals are not all the same, Jehovah loves variety. So, what has Jehovah told us to do right now? Simply to eat meat when our body tells us that we need it by desiring it. He knows and has given our bodies that desire to eat meat because we need meat.
(Genesis 9:2, 3) A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand. 3 Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you.

(Deuteronomy 12:20) “When Jehovah your God enlarges your territory, just as he has promised you, and you say, ‘I want to eat meat,’ because you desire (your soul desires) to eat meat, you may eat meat whenever you desire it (in all the desire of your soul).

There is plenty of evidence that those who primarily eat meat or animal products were strong and healthy and loved by Jehovah.
(Nehemiah 5:18) Every day one bull, six choice sheep, and birds were prepared for me, and once every ten days we had all sorts of wine in abundance.
(Isaiah 7:22) And because of the abundance of milk, he will eat butter, for everyone remaining in the land will eat butter and honey.
(Isaiah 25:6) In this mountain Jehovah of armies will make for all the peoples A banquet of rich dishes, A banquet of fine wine, Of rich dishes filled with marrow, Of fine, filtered wine.
(Luke 11:11, 12) Indeed, which father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will hand him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he also asks for an egg, will hand him a scorpion?
 

4 hours ago, Snufkin said:

A person cannot “gorge” themselves on fruit and vegetables.

This is simply not true. As someone who has struggled with binge eating for much of my life due to ADHD, I can say from experience it is far easier for me to overeat fruits and vegetables (carbohydrates) to the point of diarrhea than it is with protein or fat. If I eat 1lb of meat (I had a bowl of lamb for breakfast) I am absolutely stuffed for 4-6 hours and cannot eat any more. Sometimes two meals a day is too much. My hormones are telling me that I am satiated. But if I eat a lb of berries, I only want more and more and make myself sick overeating various carbs and snacks for hours on end. The current seasons were not designed for us to have full access to them all year round. This link with food binging has been proven in research. Carbohydrates spike your hunger hormones such as insulin, ghrelin and leptin far more than protein and fats. It's simple physiology. The problem with gorging on fruit and vegetables is so much worse now with juicing (something I tried getting into years back) because it removes all of the protective fiber from plants and results in much faster non-alcoholic fatty liver disease from the fructose, which is 8x more glycating and harmful to our cells than glucose.
(Proverbs 25:16) If you find honey, eat only what you need, For if you take too much, you may vomit it up.
(Proverbs 25:27) It is not good to eat too much honey

 

4 hours ago, Snufkin said:

I can testify, from personal experience and in depth study on nutrition, to the benefits of a plant-based diet. I am nearly 64 years old, and have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have never had a serious medical problem and I do not take any medications regularly, unlike most people of my age. My siblings – all 6 of them, of which I am the third youngest - have been very unwise in their choices. 3 of them are dead prematurely, and the other 3 are suffering from serious medical problems. Clinical studies have proven – time and again - that a plant-based diet significantly reduces the risks of Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes, and many other illnesses, including - surprisingly - Dementia. In fact, vegetarians usually live several years longer than most people on an omnivore diet. Jehovah started Adam and Eve on a path of natural foods – Fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains and legumes. Shouldn't we be getting back on that path now, and helping our dear brothers and sisters to get back on it too – in preparation for the wonderful new world which is just around the corner?

I can testify from my personal experience that cutting out all industrialized, highly processed foods, which primarily involves plant based diets revolving around grains, seed oils and sugar has resulted in saving my life and being able to serve Jehovah once again despite suffering from debilitating chronic illnesses since childhood before I had any control over my diet. I was overweight (5'4" 150lb) eating grains and veggies until I hit puberty and suffered from malnutrition and intestinal dysfunctions. Your experience fails to take into account that the generations after you (myself included) have been suffering severely from nutritional deficiencies while in the womb due to major shifts in the 70s to low fat, high sugar grain diets and vegetarian/vegan diets. Babies of vegan mothers are literally dying right now due to their breast milk not having the essential nutrition that you can only get from meat. Even if you were born stronger due to a more traditional diet, it's only getting worse and worse for the younger generations born sicker. I still suffer from many chronic illnesses due to this upbringing that diet cannot fully fix because the foundation was never properly built - but my hyperthyroidism has since reversed and my fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue are severely reduced from what they used to be. I wish the same for your daughter.

There are even worse rabbit holes to dig into, such as the entirety of the vegan movement and cereal companies being started by or funded by the 7th Day Adventist church. Their prophetess was inspired by demons to teach that eating meat is sinful. This is in clear contrast to Jehovah's word. All of the governmental and nutritional organizations were created by them and dictate recommendations based on them in spite of unbiased research on diet. Satan is using their teachings as a tool to divide us, to cause us to judge one another. It's all just a diversion from the truth and what really matters.
(1 Timothy 4:1-3) However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, 2 by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron. 3 They forbid marriage and command people to abstain from foods that God created to be partaken of with thanksgiving by those who have faith and accurately know the truth.
(Acts 10:15) And the voice spoke again to him, the second time: “Stop calling defiled the things God has cleansed.”

(1 Corinthians 8:8, 9) But food will not bring us nearer to God; we are no worse off if we do not eat, nor better off if we eat. 9 But keep watching that your right to choose does not somehow become a stumbling block to those who are weak.

Perhaps, as the older articles word it, we can return to the same exact way of eating that Adam and Eve did. I certainly believe that Jehovah could do that if he wanted to. He could change our physiology in the same ways that he has healed people's ability to procreate or resurrected individuals. However, I don't believe that Jehovah needs to do that regarding our diet or that we should limit our perspective to that. There's plenty of evidence in creation that we as individuals can't comprehend the half of his purposes and misinterpret his words all of the time based on our own biases or thoughts. The governing body has been gradually working very hard in the past few decades to be very cautious about publishing any assumptions or idea about things that we don't know about. Which is why we simply need to build our faith and trust in Jehovah to do what he tells us to do now. Keep pace now with Jehovah's chariot. Don't get stuck in the past or the future.

Edited Monday at 07:10 PM by Myew

[millenial_centennial]

4 hours ago, Snufkin said:

 

We love our brothers and sisters, and we obviously want them to live forever. But, we also want them to outlive this corrupt, rotting system. With this in mind, I want to share some important information that has helped me, and many others to live long and healthy lives – without unnecessary medication, and with minimal health problems.

The Governing Body often address the dangers of alcohol abuse, drugs, smoking, risk-taking, and other dangerous habits. From time to time, they has also commented on the need to eat healthily. Yet, even these faithful brothers haven't fully appreciated the dangers of poor nutrition. To put things into perspective, consider the following statistics – from the US Centre For Disease Control and Prevention;

 

Deaths from alcohol - 178,000

Deaths from drugs - 107,543

Deaths from smoking - 480,00

 

Now. Consider diets. The number of deaths caused by excessive, or poor diets, including obesity, was 678,000. This is more than all of the other dangers combined, and by far the biggest killer in society today. Very few active Witnesses of Jehovah have a problem with alcohol abuse, smoking, or drugs, and if they do, they are helped, or disciplined. However, the picture is not the same when it comes to diet. In my own congregation, here in England, at least one third of our congregation are obese, or morbidly obese. They suffer ongoing serious medical conditions, and need life-saving medications – regularly. Of course it must be acknowledged that, some people are overweight through no fault of their own – genetic, or medical reasons for example. My own daughter has Hypothyroidism, Clinical Depression, and Fibromyalgia – all of which either cause weight gain, or prevent her from being physically active.

 

But the majority of brothers and sisters who are overweight are just simply being unwise or weak with their diets. Does Jehovah care about this? Of course He does, and the Governing Body has reflected that care, in the advice and admonishment they give us.

 

It might surprise many of you to learn that Jehovah did not design humans to be meat-eaters. If you doubt that to be true, I recommend that you look at the Watchtower publications. For example – the W/T of 1961 page 766 – reads - “It is evident that God set the perfect man and woman on a vegetarian diet, without suggesting even dairy products.”

 

Now, we know that – after the flood - when mankind were no longer perfect, Jehovah gave humans permission to eat animals. However, assuming that- in the coming paradise (the “Re-creation” as Jesus called it) - things will revert to their original perfect state, then we will logically be vegetarian again. The Governing Body confirm this – as follows;

 

“All those creatures, human and subhuman, were able to live without flesh for a whole year inside the ark. Why could not every one of those living creatures live without flesh during 1,656 years prior to the Flood, or back to the time when God specified to Adam and Eve in Eden what he had given to earthly creatures as food? And if they could subsist that way during the first 1,656 years of man’s existence, why can they not return to that way of life and keep living that way during the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and then for eternity?”

 

While we wait for Jehovah's perfect new world, we are permitted to eat animals, but shouldn't we be slowly easing ourselves towards a natural, healthy plant-based diet – as Jehovah originally intended? It is interesting to note a warning from scripture about food. Proverbs 23.20 warns - “Do not be among those who drink too much wine, Among those who gorge themselves on meat.” A person cannot “gorge” themselves on fruit and vegetables. We need to be selective in what we eat – avoiding fatty meats, excessive sugars, and dairy products – which Jehovah never intended us to eat. We also need to consider how much we eat. Many millions of people – including our beloved brothers and sister – have died, or are suffering as a consequence of overeating, or eating poor diets. We want them to live, and be healthy.

 

I can testify, from personal experience and in depth study on nutrition, to the benefits of a plant-based diet. I am nearly 64 years old, and have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have never had a serious medical problem and I do not take any medications regularly, unlike most people of my age. My siblings – all 6 of them, of which I am the third youngest - have been very unwise in their choices. 3 of them are dead prematurely, and the other 3 are suffering from serious medical problems. Clinical studies have proven – time and again - that a plant-based diet significantly reduces the risks of Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes, and many other illnesses, including - surprisingly - Dementia. In fact, vegetarians usually live several years longer than most people on an omnivore diet. Jehovah started Adam and Eve on a path of natural foods – Fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains and legumes. Shouldn't we be getting back on that path now, and helping our dear brothers and sisters to get back on it too – in preparation for the wonderful new world which is just around the corner?

Wonderful post. By now, I believe Jehovah's Kingdom is organized and has-already-made its point on alcohol use-and-abuse! This season Jehovah will show you directly how he feels about alcohol abuse. I was reproved beyond recognition when I used to drink and bar-fly with my friends. I prayed to Jehovah and his light was sufficient. I changed my associations and I prayed to Jehovah to never-show-me that darkness ever again. 

(Im being dramatic)
but Jehovah simply does not condone drunkards. 

As a young woman, it didnt take long for me to see why ❤️

 

Edited Monday at 07:47 PM by millenial_centennial
typo

[millenial_centennial]

5 hours ago, Snufkin said:

 

We love our brothers and sisters, and we obviously want them to live forever. But, we also want them to outlive this corrupt, rotting system. With this in mind, I want to share some important information that has helped me, and many others to live long and healthy lives – without unnecessary medication, and with minimal health problems.

The Governing Body often address the dangers of alcohol abuse, drugs, smoking, risk-taking, and other dangerous habits. From time to time, they has also commented on the need to eat healthily. Yet, even these faithful brothers haven't fully appreciated the dangers of poor nutrition. To put things into perspective, consider the following statistics – from the US Centre For Disease Control and Prevention;

 

Deaths from alcohol - 178,000

Deaths from drugs - 107,543

Deaths from smoking - 480,00

 

Now. Consider diets. The number of deaths caused by excessive, or poor diets, including obesity, was 678,000. This is more than all of the other dangers combined, and by far the biggest killer in society today. Very few active Witnesses of Jehovah have a problem with alcohol abuse, smoking, or drugs, and if they do, they are helped, or disciplined. However, the picture is not the same when it comes to diet. In my own congregation, here in England, at least one third of our congregation are obese, or morbidly obese. They suffer ongoing serious medical conditions, and need life-saving medications – regularly. Of course it must be acknowledged that, some people are overweight through no fault of their own – genetic, or medical reasons for example. My own daughter has Hypothyroidism, Clinical Depression, and Fibromyalgia – all of which either cause weight gain, or prevent her from being physically active.

 

But the majority of brothers and sisters who are overweight are just simply being unwise or weak with their diets. Does Jehovah care about this? Of course He does, and the Governing Body has reflected that care, in the advice and admonishment they give us.

 

It might surprise many of you to learn that Jehovah did not design humans to be meat-eaters. If you doubt that to be true, I recommend that you look at the Watchtower publications. For example – the W/T of 1961 page 766 – reads - “It is evident that God set the perfect man and woman on a vegetarian diet, without suggesting even dairy products.”

 

Now, we know that – after the flood - when mankind were no longer perfect, Jehovah gave humans permission to eat animals. However, assuming that- in the coming paradise (the “Re-creation” as Jesus called it) - things will revert to their original perfect state, then we will logically be vegetarian again. The Governing Body confirm this – as follows;

 

“All those creatures, human and subhuman, were able to live without flesh for a whole year inside the ark. Why could not every one of those living creatures live without flesh during 1,656 years prior to the Flood, or back to the time when God specified to Adam and Eve in Eden what he had given to earthly creatures as food? And if they could subsist that way during the first 1,656 years of man’s existence, why can they not return to that way of life and keep living that way during the thousand-year reign of Jesus Christ and then for eternity?”

 

While we wait for Jehovah's perfect new world, we are permitted to eat animals, but shouldn't we be slowly easing ourselves towards a natural, healthy plant-based diet – as Jehovah originally intended? It is interesting to note a warning from scripture about food. Proverbs 23.20 warns - “Do not be among those who drink too much wine, Among those who gorge themselves on meat.” A person cannot “gorge” themselves on fruit and vegetables. We need to be selective in what we eat – avoiding fatty meats, excessive sugars, and dairy products – which Jehovah never intended us to eat. We also need to consider how much we eat. Many millions of people – including our beloved brothers and sister – have died, or are suffering as a consequence of overeating, or eating poor diets. We want them to live, and be healthy.

 

I can testify, from personal experience and in depth study on nutrition, to the benefits of a plant-based diet. I am nearly 64 years old, and have been a vegetarian for most of my life. I have never had a serious medical problem and I do not take any medications regularly, unlike most people of my age. My siblings – all 6 of them, of which I am the third youngest - have been very unwise in their choices. 3 of them are dead prematurely, and the other 3 are suffering from serious medical problems. Clinical studies have proven – time and again - that a plant-based diet significantly reduces the risks of Cancer, Heart Disease, Diabetes, and many other illnesses, including - surprisingly - Dementia. In fact, vegetarians usually live several years longer than most people on an omnivore diet. Jehovah started Adam and Eve on a path of natural foods – Fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains and legumes. Shouldn't we be getting back on that path now, and helping our dear brothers and sisters to get back on it too – in preparation for the wonderful new world which is just around the corner?

steve, I have a friend who lives in london! Tell me: Why did this post resonate with you personally? 

[computerwiz]

1 hour ago, Myew said:

it is one of the best synopses of the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFv04wcBt4

 

I just found this video today and wanted to post it to this topic as well!  Very good info!  

[LeolaRootStew]

12 hours ago, Snufkin said:

shouldn't we be slowly easing ourselves towards a natural, healthy plant-based diet – as Jehovah originally intended

 

No. People have different dietary needs as the responses have shown. It is not our place to tell others what to do, even if it's "for their own good". Also, if I only have until Armageddon to eat bacon, I'm not going to waste it.

[carlos]

15 hours ago, millenial_centennial said:

In fact, vegetarians usually live several years longer than most people on an omnivore diet. Jehovah started Adam and Eve on a path of natural foods – Fruits, vegetables, nuts, grains and legumes. Shouldn't we be getting back on that path now, and helping our dear brothers and sisters to get back on it too – in preparation for the wonderful new world which is just around the corner?

 

Sister Schneida, I appreciate that you care about the health of others and you make some good points about nutrition.

 

However, I don't view things like you do in this last paragraph. It's incorrect to use the Bible to support vegetarianism. The Law Jehovah gave to the Israelites required them to eat meat. Jesus himself was not a vegetarian. There is no evidence in the Scriptures that we won't eat meat in the new world. Meat is a gift Jehovah gave to humans through Noah. So there is no reason why Christians should be vegetarians to prepare for the new world, much less to "help" them to do that. Diet is a strictly personal choice and it's perfectly ok if someone decides to eat only plants, but it's equally ok if they decide to eat meat.

 

Personally, I have had some vegetarian brothers try to "help" me to adopt their food choices and I did not appreciate it. I'm sure that works both ways.

 

[millenial_centennial]

3 hours ago, carlos said:

 

Sister Schneida, I appreciate that you care about the health of others and you make some good points about nutrition.

 

However, I don't view things like you do in this last paragraph. It's incorrect to use the Bible to support vegetarianism. The Law Jehovah gave to the Israelites required them to eat meat. Jesus himself was not a vegetarian. There is no evidence in the Scriptures that we won't eat meat in the new world. Meat is a gift Jehovah gave to humans through Noah. So there is no reason why Christians should be vegetarians to prepare for the new world, much less to "help" them to do that. Diet is a strictly personal choice and it's perfectly ok if someone decides to eat only plants, but it's equally ok if they decide to eat meat.

 

Personally, I have had some vegetarian brothers try to "help" me to adopt their food choices and I did not appreciate it. I'm sure that works both ways.

 

Oh I dont know if I said this (?) I never mentioned anything about vegetarianism. 

[Snufkin]

23 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

Thank you for your opinion. When we are in the new world, I'll believe it when I see it. 

 

I don't believe in a God who gave us something that's awful - as a gift (Genesis 9:3). He gave us meat to eat not because He hates us and wants us to see us die early, but we know He loves us.

 

I am reminded of a Bible verse at James 1:17: 

 

I also don't believe in a God who takes away gifts once given. I don't believe He's going to make everything go black and white, no longer have any taste, clothing or even take away marriage and child bearing - or any other gift He's given.

 

I'm happy to get there and find out, I know He'll do what's best because as said above, I know He loves us.

Hello brother

 

Thanks for the feedback.

 

I appreciate that you like meat, and that Jehovah provided it for humans - only after sin and the flood. But meat was a concession, a temporary state  - like the Mosaic law. What do you think humans consumed up till the flood, or while they were on the ark? It wasn't meat. What I have written is not my opinion, but is what the Governing Body have revealed. Shouldn't we trust them in matters of scripture?

 

I didn't say that Jehovah will take away marriage, taste, childbearing or any other gift. Food will taste glorious in paradise, but it will not be dead animal carcasses that rot inside the human gut, causing untold diseases.

 

Humans are biologically Herbivores. This is proven by the differences in intestines, teeth, saliva, acids, and digestive abilities. 

 

Have a good day.

 

Steve

[Snufkin]

22 hours ago, Watching and Waiting said:

With all due respect, you lost me with this statement. Jesus said the ‘faithful and discreet slave’ would give the domestics their ‘food at the proper time.’ As I’m sure you’re aware, he was not talking about physical food. Their focus would be on spiritual food. 

While what you are espousing may sound reasonable, and you are certainly not the first to do so by any means, it is your choice and nothing more. And if it works for you—good health to you.  
 

Some try to incorporate some elements of which you speak, but most simply do not have the circumstances to do so, even if they wanted to. This can be due to  financial constraints (in the US healthy food can often be much costlier), or many live in what are now termed ‘food deserts’ where healthy food is near impossible to afford or purchase. Others are just overwhelmed with all that it takes to just ‘keep their head above the water’ and they just do the best they can in their circumstances. All of us know that we need to present our bodies as a sacrifice, living and holy to Jehovah, and we avoid things that defile us. But, we cannot beat the sin that is within us and it unfortunately causes an early death for countless millions. 

 

There are many layers to what you synthesized into a few paragraphs, but the bottom line is, each must decide what they will consume and becoming overly concerned at this juncture only distracts us from the important work Jesus assigned all of his followers. For me, I have found that a good goal is to be moderate in my eating habits. I had previous bouts with being too consumed with what and how much I ate—it was time consuming and tedious. It was difficult as I was employed by that industry.  
 

We don’t know what Jehovah has in store for us—the artistic depictions focus on lots of fresh foods and grains—and at that time under the administration of our King, I can’t wait for the banquet. 

Thanks for the feedback brother (no pun intended).

 

You are right about the slave providing us with spiritual food, and I would not want to be dogmatic or judgemental of my brothers - especially those who find good nutrition difficult to obtain. I would not want to push anyone into doing something they don't want to do. I am simply concerned for my brothers and sisters who may have a choice in their diets. The Faithful slave are the "Ones having insight." They have indicated what Jehovah's original purpose was for mankind - including their diet. Whether or not people accept their position, it is still a fact of biology and medicine that humans are biologically Herbivores, and the modern western diet of animals fats and sugars is extremely unhealthy, and is responsible for millions of people suffering, and premature deaths (not to mention the greatest impact on our earth's environment).

 

You say you would rather focus on the work assigned by Jesus - as do I, but surely if we can be healthier and live longer, by making wise diet choices, can't we then serve Jehovah better? The Bible tells us "Those going down into Sheol do not praise Jah." 

 

Yes, of course, it is our choice. I wish that we would all eat more healthily - if we are able. I did not mean to offend anyone. I write this out of love - not fanaticism.

 

I wish you Jehovah's rich blessing.

 

Steve

 

 

[Snufkin]

22 hours ago, Tortuga said:

Good for you!

OTOH, I am 68 years old, I am not a vegan, vegetarian or on any type of restricted diet. I have never had a serious medical problem, and I do not take any medications except a few vitamins. Genetics has a big role in our personal health too.

Thanks for your feedback.

 

I am pleased that you are healthy, and yes, I agree that genetics does play a part, though there is no evidence that it is significant. But you are lucky, and unusual. Most people who consume large amounts of animals fats, dairy and sugar do have poor health and shorter lifespans.  

 

I wish you good health, and Jehovah's blessing.

 

Steve

 

[Áine]

You do not need to eat meat in order to live…. There are plenty of vegetarians out there living perfectly healthy lives who don’t feel the need to push being a vegetarian down others throats…. Excuse the pun

 

 yes I’m a vegetarian and have been for the past thirty years I’ve now sadly found out that I’m severely lactose intolerant and so have to leave that out of my diet… Not through choice I might add 

 

I’m healthy and happy….. 

[Snufkin]

22 hours ago, trottigy said:

Sadly, it is the NON-meat foods that are causing people to be obese and this whole "Ozempic" thing is showing it to be true. Insulin resistant fat is a real thing.

 

If you go to a doctor, it will be the NON-meat foods they will tell you to cut back on - wheat, corn, soy, sugar, and dairy. Most of these are GMO'd and way over processed to be good for you. They will also likely suggest you stay away for the "vegetable" oils - especially the "partially hydrogenated" ones.  Think - meat is not the source of the worse NON-meat item people eat -> SUGAR. That comes from plants, fruits and vegetables.

 

Eat 8 ounces of fried bacon verse 8 ounces of potato chips and see which adds the weight and makes you feel bloated.

 

It is not the meat causing people to be obese IMO.

 

OK, all that said - does that make God to blame? Did He give us bad gifts? No, it is what man has done to these gifts that is the problem – NOT the gifts. In the New World it will be HUMANs that get adjusted NOT the gifts.

I wasn't sure if you were being serious or not (the picture was a bit unnecessary). Yes, the meat industry have tried desperately to turn the tables by muddying the waters and raising doubts about natural (God-given) foods. If what you say were true, I would be ill and weak, but I am a pictu

re of health, and I have more energy than many men much younger than me. 

 

But, the main point of this topic is that - while information in the world can be manipulated (on both sides I admit), as Jehovah's people we look to the Faithful and Discreet slave for guidance on all issues in life. In the past, they warned us against smoking, drunkenness, and drugs. Now they reveal to us that we were once herbivores, and will be again, and they (and the Bible) warn against eating unhealthily, or too much.  Shouldn't we trust them on this matter? 

 

As far as Jehovah giving bad gifts - that is impossible. I agree that, when humans were first given permission to eat animals, nature and food were in a much purer state. Chemicals, GMO, and other additives have changed our food. But the concession to eat meat was a temporary one - just like the mosaic law - it has served a purpose.

 

I wrote this article out of love for my brothers and sisters, hoping that it might persuade some to take better care of themselves. If some - like yourself - reject that encouragement, that is your choice, and I respect it.

 

I wish you peace, and Jehovah's blessing.

 

Stevei.

22 hours ago, trottigy said:

 

EDIT: last post from me on this - promise 

 

 

[LeolaRootStew]

34 minutes ago, Snufkin said:

 But meat was a concession, a temporary state  - like the Mosaic law.

 

Even if it was a 100% certainty that we would go back to eating only vegetable in the NS that still does not mean we need to stop eating meat now. You may personally feel that it is more healthy to be vegetarian, but those who have improved their health on the carnivore diet would disagree with you. To each their own - no position is more moral than the other and the FS has not taken a stance because it's a personal decision.

[Tortuga]

31 minutes ago, Snufkin said:

Thanks for your feedback.

I am pleased that you are healthy, and yes, I agree that genetics does play a part, though there is no evidence that it is significant. But you are lucky, and unusual. Most people who consume large amounts of animals fats, dairy and sugar do have poor health and shorter lifespans.  

I wish you good health, and Jehovah's blessing.

Steve

 

Thank you for the reminder and suggestions on how to enjoy our life while waiting for perfect health. We appreciate you sharing your viewpoint, it was very kind of you.

Edited 19 hours ago by Tortuga

[Snufkin]

21 hours ago, dljbsp said:

Thank you for sharing these thoughts on health and nutrition. I appreciate the intention to encourage our brothers and sisters to live healthier lives. However, after reviewing the information, I would like to offer some clarifications and adjustments to ensure accuracy and alignment with biblical and organizational teachings.

 

First, it’s great to highlight the dangers of unhealthy lifestyles, such as alcohol abuse, smoking, and drug use. The Governing Body has indeed provided regular reminders about avoiding these harmful practices. While diet is an important factor in health, it’s worth noting that the organization’s focus has always been on balance and moderation, rather than prescribing specific dietary practices.

 

The statistics about diet-related deaths being the leading cause of mortality compared to alcohol, smoking, and drugs are thought-provoking. However, it’s important to confirm these figures with reliable sources like the CDC to ensure they reflect the most current and accurate data. Additionally, while poor diet is a major health concern, personal choices and circumstances often vary, and not all weight-related issues stem from unwise decisions, as you acknowledged.

 

Regarding Jehovah’s original design for humans to eat a plant-based diet, Genesis 1:29 supports this point. However, after the Flood, Jehovah permitted the consumption of meat (Genesis 9:3). Speculation about a return to vegetarianism in the new world is not explicitly stated in scripture or confirmed by the Governing Body. While the cited Watchtower references are interesting, they do not suggest that vegetarianism will be mandatory or a requirement during the Millennium.

 

The statement about Jehovah not intending humans to consume dairy products also lacks direct biblical or doctrinal support. While dairy isn’t mentioned in Genesis 1:29, the Bible references dairy positively in other contexts, such as the land “flowing with milk and honey” (Exodus 3:8). This suggests that dairy consumption has been considered a blessing in certain times and contexts.

 

Finally, while plant-based diets have been shown to provide many health benefits, it’s essential to respect personal choices and circumstances. Encouraging moderation, self-control, and care for one’s body aligns with scriptural principles (Proverbs 23:20; Romans 12:1). Instead of advocating specific dietary practices, focusing on these principles allows us to remain united and supportive of one another, reflecting Jehovah’s care.

 

Thank you again for raising this important topic, and I hope these thoughts contribute to a balanced and encouraging perspective.

Just a little P.S.:
There is limited and mixed evidence on whether a vegan diet leads to mental health issues. Research suggests that diet and mental health are connected, but the relationship between veganism and mental health is complex and influenced by various factors.

Thank you for your balanced, thoughtful response.

 

You make some fair points. But I never claimed that the Governing Body recommended any specific diets.

 

I hope people will indeed check the statistics, and see for themselves the facts about poor diets, compared to other damaging factors. The article I quoted from the W/T was just one of several which point to the reality of a herbivore diet for humans in paradise. It is a little-known fact that humans are biologically herbivores (something the meat industry and their lawyers have desperately tried to deny).

 

The scripture referring to "Milk and honey" is symbolic for fruitfulness, rich pastures for cattle, and abundant pollinating insects. It cannot be taken as an endorsement for dairy consumption.

 

Of course I respect our brothers and sister's choices. And yes, moderation is essential - whatever diet we are on (there are overweight vegans too). I wanted to make everyone think about how our food impacts our lives. I wrote what i did out of love - not fanaticism. 

 

I wish you, and all our brothers peace, long life, and Jehovah's blessing.

 

Steve

[Snufkin]

21 hours ago, Ishaya said:

Thank you Bro Steve for your good intention to help your brothers live well.

But,I will like you to know that living solely on the vegan diet Is not recommended medically.

 

People who choose to live this way try to use supplements to make up for important nutrients they are missing from meat,plus that,it is very expensive to live solely on vegan diet,only the rich can afford that lifestyle.

You need a lot more fruits to really full your stomach for long enough 😂

Thanks for your response, brother.

 

You have been misinformed about vegans (by the way, I was not advocating a vegan diet, simply that people think more about their diets and try to eat more natural foods). The old cliches going around about nutrient deficiency is a myth started by the meat industry. The fact is that I, and millions of other vegans around the world, have been vegans for many years, yet have had glowing endorsements from our doctors about how healthy we are. I have never had a vitamin or mineral deficiency in my life, in fact my own GP informed me that, not only had he never seen a case of protein deficiency, but that the cases of deficiency he had witnessed were all meat-eaters. Many meat eaters are deprived of vitamin C (only available from fruits and vegetables), vitamin D (sunshine, and specific foods), iron (there are two kinds - Heme, and non-heme, the vegetable sourced being the most easily absorbed), and some of the B vitamins which - if not consumed as a family group - are ineffective.

 

I am not rich, but relatively poor. I cannot speak for the USA but, in Britain, it far more cost-effective to buy fruit and vegetables than meat.

 

I hope this helps to explain my position better.

 

I wish you peace, good health, and Jehovah's blessing.