The Mysterious Coronavirus Spreading Worldwide

[Bob]

12 minutes ago, hatcheckgirl said:

From the article I posted above:

 

When earlier strains of the virus predominated, infected vaccinated people were found to have low levels of virus and were deemed unlikely to spread the virus much, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said.

But with the Delta variant, the level of virus in infected vaccinated people was "indistinguishable" from the level of virus in the noses and throats of unvaccinated people, Dr Walensky added.

The data emerged over the last couple of days from over 100 samples from several states and one other country.

It is unpublished, and the CDC has not released it.

But "it is concerning enough that we feel like we have to act," Dr Walensky said.

Vaccinated people "have the potential to spread that virus to others", she said.

 

For anyone who wants to help stop transmission, follow the recommendations of health officials.  Numbers of delta cases are rising.  The goal really is to slow transmission so no new variants emerge capable of undoing all the good of vaccinations, lockdowns, social distancing etc. Otherwise we are at square one again..

 

Stay safe friends!

Stopping transmission of covid isn’t possible, in reality. 
 

I am not trying to be a contrarian, but when the flu slammed humanity over 100 years ago, efforts to “stop transmission” were well intended and worthy of applause. But futile.
 

I’m almost 100 percent sure that in the coming months or even year, the CDC and public health officials will have no choice but to acknowledge that we need to learn to live with COVID and manage it.

 

Its going the way of the flu - endemic. I’ve long accepted this fact personally, and I’m comfortable in my choices now. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by Bob

[Sequoia]

5 hours ago, Bob said:

The CDC is losing credibility with this change. 
 

Ok so you have the overwhelming majority of cases and hospitalizations coming from unvaccinated people and you go after the vaccinated? 

 

Why?

 

And then the CDC director just today that “breakthrough” infections are STILL rare with the Delta. 
 

Thirdly, the US has about a 280 seven-day rolling death per day rate. 
 

I’m sorry.. but this guidance is not based on any science. It’s clearly based on a zero-transmission standard, which is just as realistic as Thor’s hammer. 
 

And this undermines vaccination as people will see this as a tacit admission that the vaccines aren’t/can’t protect us, only rolling off and on government mandates can.

 

Tough times for people who are on the fence about vaccines. 

They are basing it on new information they keep learning.  Also not enough people got vaccinated the President was hoping that 70% would be vaccinated in the United States by July 4, 2021, but this didn't happen.  Vaccinations fell far short of 70% of the population.

 

New science leads to another CDC update on masks. Even for the vaccinated. (msn.com)

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Bob said:

Natural immunity has been ignored. They’ve been overlooked. You combine them with the vaccinated and you have more immunity than you realize. 

So true

but it’s not easy to measure 

from individual to individual the measure is differebt

 

 governs want to massify uniformly everyone

in a coronavirus it’s impossible 

It’s impractical to measure Memory T cell levels in recovered individuals 

 

that s why it’s simpler to ask them to take the vaccine

 

recovered are protected. No doubt of that

recovered don’t need the vaccine.

 

if you add the number of recovered to the vaccinated then the % of imunized individuals is higher than reported

[Bob]

4 hours ago, JW2017 said:

They are basing it on new information they keep learning.  Also not enough people got vaccinated the President was hoping that 70% would be vaccinated in the United States by July 4, 2021, but this didn't happen.  Vaccinations fell far short of 70% of the population.

 

New science leads to another CDC update on masks. Even for the vaccinated. (msn.com)

Well, the fact that they are recommending masks for vaccinated people because they “can” (and have in small numbers) spread the virus means they are shooting for a “zero transmission standard”.

 

That’s an unrealistic and anti-science stance, so that’s why I say the CDC is taking a anti-science stance.

 

The interesting thing about that is there is not a “zero risk” standard applied to anything else in life.

 

And the suggestion that we should just accept these recommendations without question BECAUSE it’s the CDC, is the same as saying we should believe the Pope only because he’s the Pope, in my opinion.

 

Unquestioned adherence to authority is not a Christian virtue nor is it scriptural. 
 

Now I’m not going to criticize the CDC because they do their best, but I think I am well within my rights to call them wrong. 
 

You don’t take cars out of existence because *some* people get into car accidents, so you don’t recommend restrictions on vaccinated because *some* vaccinated people transmit the virus. 

 

I’m hopeful I can voice my opinion with being tacitly labeled a “rebel” who doesn’t “love his neighbor”. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by Bob

[Dages]

1 hour ago, Bob said:

Now I’m not going to criticize the CDC because they do their best, but I think I am well within my rights to call them wrong. 

Even if they seems/are wrong, Romans 13 apply and we have to obey if rules are defined.

[Bob]

15 minutes ago, Dages said:

Even if they seems/are wrong, Romans 13 apply and we have to obey if rules are defined.

Well, the CDC isn’t making any rules. They are making recommendations. So I’m not obligated to obey recommendations and/or guidance from them. 

 

As I stated, if my state mandated it (as they have the authority to) then I obey.

 

The problem I’m seeing is a confusing of the two. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by Bob

[Bob]

I look at the CDC as like your doctor. He can diagnose an issue, and recommend an action. That’s basically it. It’s up to you going forward. 

 

He’s not your governor so he can’t mandate anything. So Romans 13 doesn’t apply to the CDC. 

Edited July 28, 2021 by Bob

[Dages]

40 minutes ago, Bob said:

I look at the CDC as like your doctor. He can diagnose an issue, and recommend an action. That’s basically it. It’s up to you going forward. 

 

He’s not your governor so he can’t mandate anything. So Romans 13 doesn’t apply to the CDC. 

That's why I wrote "if rules are defined" (by the government who may be listening to the CDC)

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Bob said:

Unquestioned adherence to authority is not a Christian virtue nor is it scriptural. 

Let's not make opposition to government mask mandates and coronavirus recommendations into some scriptural argument. We've covered the scriptural and Christians obligation enough to understand what it is. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bob said:

I’m hopeful I can voice my opinion with being tacitly labeled a “rebel” who doesn’t “love his neighbor”. 

(1 Corinthians 10:23) 23 All things are lawful, but not all things are advantageous. All things are lawful, but not all things build up.  24 Let each one keep seeking, not his own advantage, but that of the other person.+

 

 

Yes, you have your rights to your opinion and no, nobody should attack you for said opinion.  On the other hand, just because we have a right to our opinion does not mean we should not control how we express ourselves.  As Christians, regardless of the topic, we are always mindful of our neighbors or audience.  

 

Sometimes something is neither the time nor the place.  If we think our expression of opinion will offend our brothers and sisters, then it might not be the time or place to express said opinion. 

 

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Dages said:

That's why I wrote "if rules are defined" (by the government who may be listening to the CDC)

Sorry thanks for the clarification. I missed that part I guess. 

[Shannie]

Knowing that 98% of the Bethal Family is Vaccinated is very comforting…. If they got the vaccine hopefully it will help other brothers and sisters to see the vaccine 💉 is not bad like they are being told…

 

Also if the Governing Body has it we know Jehovah is not going to let anything happen to them … so I’m confident … 

[Shawnster]

34 minutes ago, Shannie said:

Also if the Governing Body has it we know Jehovah is not going to let anything happen to them … so I’m confident … 

No, this is false reasoning.  The Governing Body are humans like the rest of us.  They are subject to the same dangers, diseases, side-effects, and unforseen events that the rest of us are.  It would be unscriptural to assume that any individual Christian has divine protection.  

[Godskingdomrules]

5 hours ago, Bob said:

Well, the fact that they are recommending masks for vaccinated people because they “can” (and have in small numbers) spread the virus means they are shooting for a “zero transmission standard”.

 

That’s an unrealistic and anti-science stance, so that’s why I say the CDC is taking a anti-science stance.

 

The interesting thing about that is there is not a “zero risk” standard applied to anything else in life.

 

And the suggestion that we should just accept these recommendations without question BECAUSE it’s the CDC, is the same as saying we should believe the Pope only because he’s the Pope, in my opinion.

 

Unquestioned adherence to authority is not a Christian virtue nor is it scriptural. 
 

Now I’m not going to criticize the CDC because they do their best, but I think I am well within my rights to call them wrong. 
 

You don’t take cars out of existence because *some* people get into car accidents, so you don’t recommend restrictions on vaccinated because *some* vaccinated people transmit the virus. 

 

I’m hopeful I can voice my opinion with being tacitly labeled a “rebel” who doesn’t “love his neighbor”. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Bob

Yes I would agree with you Robert because exactly the same thing is happening in my country, It is unrealistic all of it because they want 0 covid deaths, which is admirable, but they cannot control everyone and everything and this is where people protest, because of their anger and frustration. But again we need to remain neutral only the Kingdom can solve these problems. But… we do not blindly follow the superior authorities on there mandate because they are imperfect, Jesus knew this when he said payback Caesars things to Caesars but Gods things to God Matt 22:21. Don’t you think Jesus knew where the taxes were going to, to fund the wars of the Romans and every other political defilement. Yet he remained neutral because it was only the Kingdom that could solve everything.

 

I am with you I am not blind to the government’s decisions they are politically motivated and imperfect yet we have are no part of it, because we see a ending to it all.

1 hour ago, Shannie said:

 

Knowing that 98% of the Bethal Family is Vaccinated is very comforting…. If they got the vaccine hopefully it will help other brothers and sisters to see the vaccine 💉 is not bad like they are being told…

 

Also if the Governing Body has it we know Jehovah is not going to let anything happen to them … so I’m confident … 

 

Yes this is true but the vaccines still do have side effects, I have a sister who is a medical coder and sees everything that results from taking the vaccines, side effects that persist some life threatening some not.

All in all it is a small percentage, the question is do you want to take that gamble. I personally probably will I’m not against it. Again if anything happened to me I know the Kingdom will solve it all.

 

[Sequoia]

6 hours ago, Bob said:

Well, the fact that they are recommending masks for vaccinated people because they “can” (and have in small numbers) spread the virus means they are shooting for a “zero transmission standard”.

 

That’s an unrealistic and anti-science stance, so that’s why I say the CDC is taking a anti-science stance.

 

The interesting thing about that is there is not a “zero risk” standard applied to anything else in life.

 

And the suggestion that we should just accept these recommendations without question BECAUSE it’s the CDC, is the same as saying we should believe the Pope only because he’s the Pope, in my opinion.

 

Unquestioned adherence to authority is not a Christian virtue nor is it scriptural. 
 

Now I’m not going to criticize the CDC because they do their best, but I think I am well within my rights to call them wrong. 
 

You don’t take cars out of existence because *some* people get into car accidents, so you don’t recommend restrictions on vaccinated because *some* vaccinated people transmit the virus. 

 

I’m hopeful I can voice my opinion with being tacitly labeled a “rebel” who doesn’t “love his neighbor”. 

I never said that you were a rebel without love of neighbor.

[Bob]

20 minutes ago, JW2017 said:

I never said that you were a rebel without love of neighbor.

Yeah I know. I wasn’t suggesting you did but I merely chose to drop it.

 

Thanks for your replies! I just enjoy discussing with people who disagree with my views..

[Bob]

1 hour ago, Godskingdomrules said:

Yes I would agree with you Robert because exactly the same thing is happening in my country, It is unrealistic all of it because they want 0 covid deaths, which is admirable, but they cannot control everyone and everything and this is where people protest, because of their anger and frustration. But again we need to remain neutral only the Kingdom can solve these problems. But… we do not blindly follow the superior authorities on there mandate because they are imperfect, Jesus knew this when he said payback Caesars things to Caesars but Gods things to God Matt 22:21. Don’t you think Jesus knew where the taxes were going to, to fund the wars of the Romans and every other political defilement. Yet he remained neutral because it was only the Kingdom that could solve everything.

 

I am with you I am not blind to the government’s decisions they are politically motivated and imperfect yet we have are no part of it, because we see a ending to it all.

Yes this is true but the vaccines still do have side effects, I have a sister who is a medical coder and sees everything that results from taking the vaccines, side effects that persist some life threatening some not.

All in all it is a small percentage, the question is do you want to take that gamble. I personally probably will I’m not against it. Again if anything happened to me I know the Kingdom will solve it all.

 

Yes good points. Best I do (and I don’t want to speak for anyone else) is outside of mandates from officials, I assess my own risk and act accordingly.

 

I think that’s all we can really do. 

[Dhanyel]

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[Áine]

8 hours ago, Shawnster said:

No, this is false reasoning.  The Governing Body are humans like the rest of us.  They are subject to the same dangers, diseases, side-effects, and unforseen events that the rest of us are.  It would be unscriptural to assume that any individual Christian has divine protection.  

I think Shannie means as a whole,  not individually 

[blacc]

10 hours ago, Shawnster said:

No, this is false reasoning.  The Governing Body are humans like the rest of us.  They are subject to the same dangers, diseases, side-effects, and unforseen events that the rest of us are.  It would be unscriptural to assume that any individual Christian has divine protection.  

@Shawnster: I beg to differ with your last sentence. On the contrary, it would be unchristian to assume that individual christians do not have divine protection. (Please see Psalm 34:7). It would rather be scriptural to make a statement like: "Jehovah does not guarantee us absolute physical protection in this system of things."

[Shawnster]

22 minutes ago, blacc said:

It would rather be scriptural to make a statement like: "Jehovah does not guarantee us absolute physical protection in this system of things."

Physical protection is what I meant by divine protection.  

[WilliamChew]

 

Dr John Campbell (not a medical doctor but a PhD in Nursing) at 10:44:

 

He is optimistic about the long term protection of vaccination against covid-19.

 

Antibodies hang around only for a few months but CD4 and CD8 T Cells (lymphocytes) will last for decades against severe disease, hospitalization and deaths. Lymphocytes are designed for long term immunity.

 

[Hotteok]

We are the only people in the world who get happier when the world gets worse.

[Ludwika]

39 minutes ago, WilliamChew said:

 

Dr John Campbell (not a medical doctor but a PhD in Nursing) at 10:44:

 

He is optimistic about the long term protection of vaccination against covid-19.

 

Antibodies hang around only for a few months but CD4 and CD8 T Cells (lymphocytes) will last for decades against severe disease, hospitalization and deaths. Lymphocytes are designed for long term immunity.

 

A third booster jab is being proposed here, probably near the end of the year, to keep immunity levels at optimum.

[hatcheckgirl]

"Our modelling suggests that 80 per cent is the level we need to get to be comfortable that we've severed the link between COVID cases and severe health effects," Ms Wood said.

"Even if the virus is at the more transmissible end, we won't end up with thousands of people in hospitals, we won't end up overwhelming our ICU capacity, and in fact COVID at that point looks more like the seasonal flu."
 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-29/covid-vaccine-rate-80-million-lottery/100334190
 

So for Australia to end lockdowns and open the borders, we’d need 80% of the population fully vaccinated (currently there are 13% fully vaccinated, and 31% with one dose).

[Dustparticle]

6 hours ago, VisualizeUrParadise said:

We are the only people in the world who get happier when the world gets worse.

We even more happier if you eat a lot of chocolate.