Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Brandon]

4 hours ago, Luisabola said:

What did I just watch? That’s just awful. Makes me sick. 

You just watched propaganda that was designed to provoke a feeling of “makes me sick” in the viewer. Looks like it worked too!

 

seriously though what does it have to do with covid 🧐

@My little flower

[carlos]

4 hours ago, Naturale said:

How do you know the debate is "mainly fueled by the growing alternative health movement"?  How do you know it isn't for other reasons?

Well, at least here in the forums all those who have promoted anti-vaccine views are promoters of alternative health methods too.

It doesn't make sense for someone who believes in conventional medicine to reject vaccines as a whole.

[Shawnster]

6 hours ago, Naturale said:

How do you know the debate is "mainly fueled by the growing alternative health movement"?  How do you know it isn't for other reasons?

What else fuels it?  

 

Let's consider your point of view, as Carlos mentioned. I do not believe you are motivated by economic gain.  Nor do I believe you want to shun any health care in the hopes of watching the world burn.  Instead it is clear you know alternatives exist.  You feel those alternatives are better.  Therefore, you promote those alternatives. The desire for alternative health treatment is due to the feeling/opinion mainstream methods are wrong, dangerous, or inappropriate. Isn't that the very definition of alternative health movement? 

 

The ideas of using alternatives to mainstream pharmaceuticals is really something that has taken off in my lifetime.  Back before the 1980s, there were not these alternatives or easy access to alternatives.  There was no discussion about alternatives. 

 

Natural remedies have their place. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. If taking vitamins, along with an active, healthy lifestyle prevents the need for expensive drugs, then it's a win-win. Aspirin comes from tree bark, penicillin from mold. 6,000 years of human history and only in the last couple hundred has their been an explosion in for-profit medicine. Obviously there are homeopathic treatments and home remedies that work and have worked for millennia.  

 

There are also homeopathic remedies and home treatments that are nothing more than placebo or snake oil. The people taking advantage of and making money off of innocent victims who simply are trying to look out for the health and welfare of the ones they love are just as guilty as so-called big pharma.

 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Shawnster

[WilliamChew]

The UK Pfizer/BioNTech vaccinations done in the UK shows about 3% get a little sick from the vaccination.  CDC Presentation

 

 

 

But the CDC website also mentions its normal and should go away in a few days.  

Information about the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | CDC

 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by WilliamChew

[Sister Twister]

8 hours ago, Omoyeme said:

Robert O. Young a research scientist and, based on his diabolical views about Africans, is a staunch believer in eugenics. (His full statement about Africa begins here at the 1:32 mark). His views towards people of color reminds me of Margaret Sanger and her desire to get rid of a segment of U.S. society.  It truly is sickening to actually here words like these from professionals. 

 

Its just horrible

[Naturale]

10 hours ago, Shawnster said:

What else fuels it?  

 

Let's consider your point of view, as Carlos mentioned. I do not believe you are motivated by economic gain.  Nor do I believe you want to shun any health care in the hopes of watching the world burn.  Instead it is clear you know alternatives exist.  You feel those alternatives are better.  Therefore, you promote those alternatives. The desire for alternative health treatment is due to the feeling/opinion mainstream methods are wrong, dangerous, or inappropriate. Isn't that the very definition of alternative health movement? 

I don't promote anything. I can share facts and have an opinion like everyone else here (or should be able to without fear of accusation).  I am not influenced or fueled by this "growing alternative health movement" that you and others keep talking about.  I have only heard of all that since I came on this site and I don't comprehend it.  I feel that It is not acceptable for anyone here to imply or use the worldly derogatory term "anti-vaxxer" as they do to put people down who don't share your view. This  "growing alternative health movement" is not something I have any experience of.  It is your wrong opinion that I am connected to it.  I was brought up in a rural area with a natural lifestyle and with food and health knowledge passed down from generations that I value.  A normal and simple life.  No-one lived like this because of a "growing health movement" so if you accuse them of that then they/we won't know what you are on about.  
 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Naturale

[Omoyeme]

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You just watched propaganda that was designed to provoke a feeling of "makes me sick". 

Those who are awakened to African/African-American history and have been a subject of past and/or recent racial injustices and colonization (directly or indirectly) would see this video and come to a conclusion in stark contrast to your own.

 

It isn't surprising that many political leaders, professionals, and people of influence (past and present) hold these very views towards Africans and their descendants. Their racial views are very well documented, most notably when a United States president uses vulgar language to describe a whole continent and an island nation.

 

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[...] seriously though what does it have to do with covid

 

Well, since you asked; there is indeed a correlation with covid and covid vaccines. 

 

I imagine it must be difficult for some to comprehend the magnitude of distrust that many Africans and their descendants have against the current medical establishment in relation to these vaccines. But know this: the reasons behind the distrust are valid, historical and well-documented, as have its' origins:  Medicine, in general, has a long history of dismissing black/brown people, (i.e., Native Americans, African descendants) turning away black patients, and the barbaric experimentation on their bodies. 

 

In order to restore trust in medical institutions, there needs to be trust in the governmental authorities to completely undo their racial policies -- past and present. The health disparities between the black community and the predominant population are innumerable.  Rhetorically speaking, what major efforts from leading authorities have emerged to bridge this gap of distrust with the African diaspora community as a whole?

As a result of past history with medical authorities and the governmental institutions,  expressing disbelief why many minorities may not be on board should not come as a surprise. (The medical powers-to-be are well aware of this.)  And notably, medical professionals who hold these racial views is what continuously fuels the skepticism that many minorities have towards these vaccines.

 

Edited January 13, 2021 by Omoyeme

[Naturale]

18 hours ago, Omoyeme said:

Robert O. Young a research scientist and, based on his diabolical views about Africans, is a staunch believer in eugenics.

I've never heard of him before but isn't he talking about how Africans have been suppressed and their rights taken away as a fact that has/does happen rather than that being his personal view that he himself supports?  He seems to be talking about what Bill Gates is supposed to have said?  

As I say I don't know anything about all this.

Edited January 13, 2021 by Naturale

[Brandon]

Breaking: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-15/norway-warns-of-vaccination-risks-for-sick-patients-over-80

 

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Norwegian officials said 23 people had died... 13 have been autopsied, with the results suggesting that common side effects may have contributed to severe reactions in frail, elderly people, according to the Norwegian Medicines Agency.

 

Norway said Covid-19 vaccines may be too risky for the very old and terminally ill, the most cautious statement yet from a European health authority.

 

The first Europe-wide safety report on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine will probably be published at the end of January, the regulator’s key medicines committee said Friday.

 

Edited January 16, 2021 by Brandon

[SUNRAY]

I just saw this..

"After allergic reactions at 1 clinic, California pauses use of large batch of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine." 

Good to know this is being looked into..apparantly they had to dispose of the entire batch.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ktla.com/news/california/after-allergic-reactions-at-1-clinic-california-pauses-use-of-more-than-330k-doses-of-moderna-covid-19-vaccine/amp/

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by SUNRAY
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[Mountain man]

On 5/26/2020 at 1:21 PM, ChocoBro said:

 

On 5/26/2020 at 1:21 PM, ChocoBro said:

 

Seriously, who asked this guy? The guy could never make a proper operating system that was safe, but the world is desperately clinging to his lips hoping he will save the world like some kind of new age messiah?? 

I'm glad he says "almost every person on the planet", because I most certainly am one of the others. 

 

I agree, why is B. Gates saying when small businesses in US can re-open?  If you research him, he's actually not a  programmer, didn't finish university and doesn't have any medical training.  His dad was a  lawyer and taught little Billy how to navigate the legal system.  He bought an operating system from an engineer. 

He IS however, a member on the council for foreign relations, the Bilderberg group, and involved with the world economic forum. Definitely part of the supranationalist layer of government

[Qapla]

Some on here have giving their opinion about how things should be done ... I would guess Bill Gates is like the rest of us - p person with an opinion. If we can have ours, I guess he can have his.

 

On the other hand, our opinion usually does not affect "policy" ... his may -

 

Since this thread is about C-19 vaccines, I do not intend to discuss Gate's abilities as a programmer (yes, he did program - unlike Steve Jobs, who could not program) and will stick to the theme of the thread

[friendlyone]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-analysis-shows-one-vaccine-dose-leaves-uks-over-60s-seriously-vulnerable-12192949

 

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COVID-19: Study shows one vaccine dose leaves UK's over-60s 'seriously vulnerable'

The evidence that the second dose can be delayed for three months looks shaky - not even the manufacturers recommend it.

 

If true the delay in having the 2nd vaccination could put more at a greater risk of catching covid. Initially we were told the immunity provided would be around 70%.

 

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But the stats from Israel suggests that the efficacy of one dose is just 33%.

Having said this it seems more tests need to be done to verify the statistics.

[Tortuga]

I heard a good suggestion on the news today. They suggested that families do not get vaccinated at the same time but wait a few days for each person. Just in case there is a reaction that not everyone is sick at the same time.

[Old]

1 hour ago, Mountain man said:

Interesting, I didn't know Jobs didn't program.  I didn't know Gates could either. I was referring to the QDOS that Tim Patterson wrote  and Xerox program he modified to make windows.

He can have an opinion, sure, but I don't see why a guy that has no medical training is anymore influential than anyone else without when it comes to a pandemic.  Guess being heavily invested in the vaccines companies and WHO plays a part, but I don't see that as a good thing either

...also he has spread millions of dollars around the word in benevolent causes. Regarding any investments in pharmacetical companies, if those that can afford to didn't invest in vaccine companies there would be no medical infrastructure that could be immediatly directed to the developing vaccines. At that, am not aware of Bill gates being heavily investing in phama, maybe you can explain.

And don't you mean IBM, not Xerox? His MS DOS was way before Windows. Are the have-nots complaining about the haves?

 

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...And don't you mean IBM, not Xerox? His MS DOS was way before Windows...

You have opened a can of worms with that comment! Lol
Edited January 20, 2021 by ➕👇 ꓤꓱꓷꓠꓵ🎵Tone

[Lee49]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/20/moderna-vaccine-spoiled-maine-michigan/?utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

 

More than 16,000 vaccine doses potentially spoiled in Maine and Michigan by temperature problems

 When trucks arrived at 35 sites across Maine on Monday, workers opened them to inspect hundreds of vials of the Moderna vaccine — another key shipment in the state’s efforts to inoculate residents from the coronavirus.

 But when they looked at the electronic thermometers outside the boxes, they quickly found a problem: a red “X” on the monitors’ screens, alerting them that the vials had spoiled because of improper temperatures at some point along the journey.

Now, the state announced Tuesday, it may have to throw out 4,400 doses.

[Omoyeme]

On 1/18/2021 at 4:18 PM, Mountain man said:

I agree, why is B. Gates saying when small businesses in US can re-open?  If you research him, he's actually not a  programmer, didn't finish university and doesn't have any medical training.  His dad was a  lawyer and taught little Billy how to navigate the legal system.  He bought an operating system from an engineer. 

He IS however, a member on the council for foreign relations, the Bilderberg group, and involved with the world economic forum. Definitely part of the supranationalist layer of government

 

Billions of dollars are at stake with these vaccines he's investing in so, as a globalist, I guess you could say that he's getting a piece of the pie , or two, yes?

 

[Luisabola]

18 hours ago, Lee49 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/20/moderna-vaccine-spoiled-maine-michigan/?utm_campaign=wp_to_your_health&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_tyh&wpmk=1

 

More than 16,000 vaccine doses potentially spoiled in Maine and Michigan by temperature problems

 When trucks arrived at 35 sites across Maine on Monday, workers opened them to inspect hundreds of vials of the Moderna vaccine — another key shipment in the state’s efforts to inoculate residents from the coronavirus.

 But when they looked at the electronic thermometers outside the boxes, they quickly found a problem: a red “X” on the monitors’ screens, alerting them that the vials had spoiled because of improper temperatures at some point along the journey.

Now, the state announced Tuesday, it may have to throw out 4,400 doses.

Oh no, how gutting. Someone’s going to lose their job for that I’m sure. 

[The Outcast]

3 minutes ago, Luisabola said:

Oh no, how gutting. Someone’s going to lose their job for that I’m sure. 

No, the insurance takes care of that.
I've had this a lot in my grocery wholesale job.

[Luisabola]

Just read this article that explains the vaccines available at the moment may not be as effective against the new strain from South Africa.
 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-vaccine-may-be-less-effective-against-south-africa-variant-study-finds-12193660

I liked this point, very balanced - 

“But this is a reminder that the vaccine is not a cure. It will help us control it and lessen its worst effects, but it almost certainly won't eradicate it, especially as this data indicates that the new variants make reinfection more likely.”

Just now, The German said:

No, the insurance takes care of that.
I've had this a lot in my grocery wholesale job.

Ahh yes, you’re probably right. I bet it happens more often than we realise.

[Omoyeme]

Ohio GOP Rep. Steve Stivers Supports $1400 Stimulus Check—Provided You Get COVID Vaccine

 

https://www.newsweek.com/ohio-gop-rep-steve-stivers-supports-1400-stimulus-checkprovided-you-get-covid-vaccine-1563794

 

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"The quickest thing we need to do if we really want to help the American people, is get this economy turned back on—get people back to work, get kids back in school, get ourselves some herd immunity, get the vaccine distributed as quick as we can and get the uptake rate up," he said. "That's why I'd be willing to accept a $1,400 stimulus check if people are willing to take the vaccine."

 

 

 

Just stick me with a fork because ...

 

[Lee49]

28 minutes ago, Omoyeme said:

"That's why I'd be willing to accept a $1,400 stimulus check if people are willing to take the vaccine."

" Money for nothin and your sticks for free " 

[Allabord4Jah]

Goodness, friends, it's a personal decision.  Propaganda or no propaganda! 

[Omoyeme]

3 hours ago, Lee49 said:

" Money for nothin[g] and your sticks for free " 

Not applicable to U.S. citizens who pay federal taxes, and/or state taxes, local county taxes, personal property taxes, estate taxes, interest tax, land/property taxes, utility taxes, etc.

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by Omoyeme