Covid-19 Vaccine Research, Development, Ingredients and Reactions

[Shawnster]

16 minutes ago, WilliamChew said:

Yes. We had to fill an online form for registration.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Sofia said:

yep, in Portugal everyone has to sign a document agreeing with vaccination. 😉

Did you read everything in these documents you filled out and signed?  Did you read the fine print?  Could you have signed a waiver without even realizing it?

[Sofia]

10 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

 

Did you read everything in these documents you filled out and signed?  Did you read the fine print?  Could you have signed a waiver without even realizing it?

Bro Shawn I didnt take the jab because I had covid.

I never paid attention... but some friends have posted on FB the document. I will search for one. 😉

[WilliamChew]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

Did you read everything in these documents you filled out and signed?  Did you read the fine print?  Could you have signed a waiver without even realizing it?

Yes. You are right. I may have done it online without realizing it. 😅

[lovjahupepl]

4 hours ago, Shawnster said:

 

Did you read everything in these documents you filled out and signed?  Did you read the fine print?  Could

you have signed a waiver without even realizing it?

FYI: Just clarifying what I was talking about when I said "waiver of some sort" in a previous post since questions have arisen about the statement. Not judging anyone that has decided "to take" or "not to take" a shot.  I said:

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If the shot is as safe as it's said to be "why does everyone taking it" have to sign a waiver of some sort?

 

https://www.wbrc.com/2021/04/01/covid-vaccine-consent-forms/

The consent form acknowledges that you understand the COVID-19 vaccines currently in use in the U.S are authorized for emergency use, and not fully approved by the FDA.

That means the vaccines have not gone through the rigorous process of approval vaccines usually go through to get which could take years.

According to the FDA’s website: “EUA standard may permit authorization based on significantly less data than would be required for approval, clearance, or licensing by the FDA.”

The Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson vaccines went through an expeditated process and are considered experimental.

When you sign the form, you’re acknowledging you understand all that information and still wish to move forward with getting the vaccine.

 

Local attorney, Roger Appell, weighs in on what else the form means.

“There is a possibility that something bad could happen to a person and they don’t want to have any liability if something bad goes wrong so that’s why they make you sign that, saying that you acknowledge that, ‘Look, it’s not like it normally is but I’m willing to take the risk.’ “It’s well worth the risk you take,” Appell said.

Edited May 19, 2021 by lovjahupepl

[Qapla]

Most people do not get all wrapped up in what they have to sign to get a driver's license - yet, the chances of getting killed on the nations highways is greater than dying from the Covid vacinne ... the same holds true for many of the other things we do on a daily basis.

 

What I find a bit "odd" is how much controversy has abounded with various Covid treatments and vaccines while the sale of tobacco goes unchecked and allowed by many of the very people who are opposed to the vaccines.

 

This is where our neutrality can be tested ... do we favor or object to vaccines for medical reasons or because "our" personal choice - or are we leaning one way or the other due to the attitudes and reports of things we hear on TV and the Internet.

 

Do we look at the situation as "if only you knew what I know you would agree with me and make the same choice I am making" or do we truly allow others to make up their own minds and not try to sway them to our way of thinking?

 

[cme]

4 hours ago, lovjahupepl said:

 

FYI: Just clarifying what I was talking about when I said "waiver of some sort" in a previous post since questions have arisen about the statement. Not judging anyone that has decided "to take" or "not to take" a shot.  I said:

 

https://www.wbrc.com/2021/04/01/covid-vaccine-consent-forms/

The consent form acknowledges that you understand the COVID-19 vaccines currently in use in the U.S are authorized for emergency use, and not fully approved by the FDA.

That means the vaccines have not gone through the rigorous process of approval vaccines usually go through to get which could take years.

According to the FDA’s website: “EUA standard may permit authorization based on significantly less data than would be required for approval, clearance, or licensing by the FDA.”

The Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson and Johnson vaccines went through an expeditated process and are considered experimental.

When you sign the form, you’re acknowledging you understand all that information and still wish to move forward with getting the vaccine.

 

Local attorney, Roger Appell, weighs in on what else the form means.

“There is a possibility that something bad could happen to a person and they don’t want to have any liability if something bad goes wrong so that’s why they make you sign that, saying that you acknowledge that, ‘Look, it’s not like it normally is but I’m willing to take the risk.’ “It’s well worth the risk you take,” Appell said.

They did that because they had to indemnify themselves in view of the emergency on hand and the speed with which these vaccines were created.  

 

They were approved because of the thousands and millions of death in this country and around the world.  Although not FDA approved but, these vaccines were released with their permission.

 

They were able to produce these vaccines in a years time because of the urgency of the situation however, death vs. vaccine was the deciding factor here.

 

They had the best of the best scientist working around the clock. 

 

I trust that Jehovah would not let us be entirely wiped out by this pandemic and fortunately unlike 1918 with the Spanish Influenza, we have better medical services at our disposal and science is more advanced since the early 1900s.

 

Most of the friends here have taken it without any repercussions.  This is a personal decision, one that my husband took before Jehovah in prayer and, we proceeded to get vaccinated.

 

And above all, the Society has been very quiet about it and have not comment one way or another.  Other then, head of households decide for the welfare of their family.

 

Many residents there got vaccinated.

[Hope]

18 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Did you sign anything? Fill out a form?  We had to fill out a form with our initial shot. 

 

Do you have a card showing you were vaccinated? Does it have your name on it?  

I had to fill out the same form I did for the first injection (Pfizer).  Now I have the card with two dates on it.

 

I had a headache, fatigue and slightly more sore arm today... but I'm basically okay. Let's see how this summer turns out! 😎

[friendlyone]

19 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Did you sign anything? Fill out a form?  We had to fill out a form with our initial shot. 

 

Do you have a card showing you were vaccinated? Does it have your name on it?  

Yes, I got a card the size of a credit card at my first visit. It contained my name, the name of the vaccine, Batch Number, and date given.

 

Below there was space for details of my second vaccination, so it's important to take the card when going for the 2nd jab.

 

I definitely didn't sign for the vaccinations, but I never have to sign when I get my flu ones either.

[Shawnster]

My point was that there really isn't a way for any of us who received the vaccine to say we didn't sign anything like a waiver.  If we filled out a form and didn't read every single sentence of the small print, we could have signed a waiver without being aware.

[califlorican]

We didn’t sign any form. We were asked some questions verbally and answered them, but there was no signing anything and definitely no waiver.
 

I think, though, that’s because they don’t need a waiver- they already have legal protection. The law (Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act) is in effect until 2024. The reason we typically sign a waiver is to acknowledge we are taking responsibility for something potentially dangerous, like when I’ve gone to a trampoline jumping place with kids (not surprising, considering how many people get hurt there!) so the business can avoid a lawsuit. But I think because the vaccine companies already have legal protection, they don’t need it from every individual like another business would. 
 

 

[AH173]

I'm surprised to hear that a USA medical provider didn't have any documentation for you to review or sign (prior to the shot) and then get a USA cdc vaccination card in the end. Wow. 

[califlorican]

26 minutes ago, AH173 said:

I'm surprised to hear that a USA medical provider didn't have any documentation for you to review or sign (prior to the shot) and then get a USA cdc vaccination card in the end. Wow. 

We got ours at a federal vaccination site. We had already filled out our personal info on the appointment website before the appointment, and once there they asked us to confirm some questions that we had previously answered on the website. But yeah, no waiver of any sort signed- they just don’t need it. 

[califlorican]

The specific questions asked online and then confirmed again on site right before being vaccinated were:

 

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Have you ever had an allergic reaction to (1) component of the COVID-19 vaccine, including polyethylene glycol (PEG), which is found in some medications, such as laxatives and preparations for colonoscopy procedures, (2) Polysorbate, (3) a previous dose of COVID-19 vaccine (This would include a severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) that required treatment with epinephrine or EpiPen® or that caused you to go to the hospital. It would also include an allergic reaction that occurred within 4 hours that caused hives, swelling, or respiratory distress, including wheezing.)
 

Have you ever had an allergic reaction to another vaccine (other than COVID-19 vaccine) or an injectable medication? 

Have you ever had a severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) to something other than a component of the COVID-19 vaccine, polysorbate, or any vaccine or injectable medication? This would include food, pet, environmental, or oral medication allergies.

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Have you ever had a positive test for COVID-19 or has a doctor ever told you that you had COVID-19?

 

Have you received passive antibody therapy (monoclonal antibodies or convalescent serum) as treatment for COVID-19?

 

Do you have a weakened immune system caused by something such as HIV infection or cancer or do you take immunosuppressive drugs or therapies?

 

Do you have a bleeding disorder or are you taking a blood thinner?

 

Are you pregnant or breastfeeding?

 

Edited May 20, 2021 by califlorican

[cme]

Has anyone see the update on Broadcast?  Update #4?

[The Outcast]

19 minutes ago, cme said:

Has anyone see the update on Broadcast?  Update #4?

 

[Sofia]

45 minutes ago, The German said:

 

Yes, 3 times

And cryed...😥 the 3 times... So many bros and sis died... and being persecuted injust

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Also brother Mark said:

"What is our view on vaccination? Jehovah’s Witnesses are not against vaccination. We view it as a personal decision for each Christian to make. Already, in cooperation with public health officials, many in our Bethel families have chosen to be vaccinated."

Edited May 21, 2021 by Sofia

[Tia]

5 hours ago, Sofia said:

Yes, 3 times

And cryed...😥 the 3 times... So many bros and sis died... and being persecuted injust

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Yes sis - watched it this morning - and was quite sobering - I cried too sis - so many of the friends who have 

since passed - also along with the persecutions and the many hardship from the storms, etc.  We have to

continue to keep them in our prayers - preach without letup - learn our songs, and pray for courage. 

[WilliamChew]

A report on the reactions from vaccinations done in Singapore.

 

95 cases of serious suspected side effects out of 2.2 million Covid-19 vaccine doses in Singapore

 

Out of all suspected events, 95 - or 0.004 per cent of administered doses - were classified as serious. These included 20 cases of anaphylaxis, which is a severe life-threatening allergic reaction, and 20 reports of other severe allergic reactions.

 

The incidence rate of anaphylaxis here is 1.4 per 100,000 doses administered, similar to overseas rates of around 0.5 to 2 per 100,000 doses. Most anaphylaxis events occur very soon after vaccination, which is why there is a 30-minute monitoring period after the jab.

 

[lovjahupepl]

Not trying to debate vaccines.  Just some good pointers brought out in this article;

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/wisconsin/articles/2021-05-18/fully-vaccinated-woman-with-health-issues-dies-of-covid-19

 

“People need to be careful, even if they don’t have serious underlying health conditions and even if they’re not immunocompromised, because if you spread it, you might spread it to somebody who is,” said another son, Luke Kingree, a Madison attorney.

Dr. James Conway, a UW Health pediatrician and vaccine expert, said such cases are a reminder that the vaccines, while highly effective, aren’t a complete guarantee infection won’t occur.

“People who are vaccinated need to remember that it doesn’t make them superhuman,” Conway said. “Especially if they’re in a high-risk category, they should still practice some moderate avoidance of activity.”

Edited May 24, 2021 by lovjahupepl

[Qapla]

3 minutes ago, lovjahupepl said:

People who are vaccinated need to remember that it doesn’t make them superhuman,” Conway said. “Especially if they’re in a high-risk category, they should still practice some moderate avoidance of activity.”

 

Isn't that what the GB has been trying to convey ... even though JW's are not against vaccines, we should exercise caution and safety until the pandemic is actually over even after we are vaccinated

 

[Golfguy74]

52 minutes ago, lovjahupepl said:

Not trying to debate vaccines.  Just some good pointers brought out in this article;

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/wisconsin/articles/2021-05-18/fully-vaccinated-woman-with-health-issues-dies-of-covid-19

 

“People need to be careful, even if they don’t have serious underlying health conditions and even if they’re not immunocompromised, because if you spread it, you might spread it to somebody who is,” said another son, Luke Kingree, a Madison attorney.

Dr. James Conway, a UW Health pediatrician and vaccine expert, said such cases are a reminder that the vaccines, while highly effective, aren’t a complete guarantee infection won’t occur.

“People who are vaccinated need to remember that it doesn’t make them superhuman,” Conway said. “Especially if they’re in a high-risk category, they should still practice some moderate avoidance of activity.”

Each one of us has to make a personal decission. I find it interesting that those who refuse to have a flu shot are making it known they have had the COVID-19 vaccine. 

 

At work we had the Ntional Gaurd come in and give the two dose version. Some went home sick. Some for a day, others a couple of days. Especially after the second dose. 

 

I am glad the Governing Body did research on the vaccines and whether or not they had major blood fractions use din the manufacturng of them. I still know people who think that is how they are made.

[Sofia]

[Evidence published between 19/05/2021 and 25/05/2021]

Vaccines versus variants

COVID-19 vaccines currently deployed in Europe are effective against variants circulating in the region, says WHO-Europe.

In effect, preliminary data released by Public Health England shows that vaccines remain highly effective (around 80%) against symptomatic disease caused by the B1617.2 (“Indian”) variant, but two doses are necessary to achieve protection. A slight drop in vaccine efficacy was observed for both vaccines: from 94% to 88% for Pfizer from 66% to 60% for AstraZeneca. The difference between vaccines may be due to the fact that the second dose of the AZ vaccine is given later and takes more time to reach maximum protection.

A little help from Apps

The number of cases averted by the NHS COVID-19 app was estimated to be between 284,000 and 594,000. The app was used by 16.5 million users (28% of the population) in England and Wales.

More on disease pathology

Diabetes

One stud shows that SARS-CoV-2 can directly infect and kill insulin-producing pancreatic cells, which could explain why some patients develop type 1 diabetes after COVID-19.

Autoantibodies

The other one shows a dramatic increase in autoantibodies targeting components of the immune system in severe COVID-19 patients, as compared to uninfected individuals. These autoantibodies could exacerbate disease severity, as observed in a mouse model of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Virus-specific antibodies

Some antibodies found in convalescent patients may actually enhance viral infectivity, according to a study. These antibodies, which target the N-terminal region of the Spike protein, were found at higher levels in severe patients.

Further evidence supporting long-lived immunity

Two studies published this week suggest the immunological memory after natural infection is long-lived. One showed a slow rate of decline of anti-spike antibodies as time progressed. The other found that even after mild infections, a robust antibody response is induced and plasma cells (which produce antibodies) are detected in the bone marrow 7 to 8 months after infection.

Long-Covid

A Swedish study with a cohort of individuals who suffered mild COVID-19 shows that 26% of them presented at least 1 moderate to severe symptom lasting for 2 months or more, and 15% for at least 8 months. For around 10% of these individuals, these symptoms disrupted work, social, and/or home life.

Good news in children

A follow-up of paediatric patients who developed inflammatory syndrome associated with COVID-19 (MIS-C) shows that few sequelae were observed after 6 months, despite severe initial illness.

Promising peptides

Queensland researchers have developed two peptide-based drugs that could prevent COVID-19 infection and disease. One peptide reduces viral entry by inhibiting viral interaction with the ACE2 receptor. The other one reduces viral replication by inhibiting viral interaction with a host protein. The researchers hope to start testing them in humans in a few months.

Another vaccine candidate

A vaccine that consists of virus-like particles and is produced in plants has given promising phase 1 and phase 2 results. The vaccine was well tolerated and induced good titers of neutralising antibodies (up to 10-fold higher than those in convalescent patients).

13,000 deaths avoided

according to estimates from Public Health England, vaccines have prevented 13,000 deaths in people over 60 years of age in England, up to May 9, 2021. Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease was very similar for both Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines (55-70% after one dose and 85-90% after two doses).

 

[Amygdala]

Canada's first fatal case from AstraZeneca. The man was in his 40's and had just taken the first dose in April, and died a few weeks later. I read it is particularly dangerous for those younger as their immune systems react stronger apparently than to older generations, causing over-reaction and death.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/ontario-reports-1st-fatal-case-of-rare-blood-clot-after-man-received-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine/ar-AAKngGy?li=AAggNb9

[Qapla]

Why are there no headlines that proclaim something like "First successful case of vaccination" or even "Thousands have received (x) vaccine with no significant side effects" or some other positive headline?

 

I guess the old adage of "If it bleeds - it leads" and "death/tragedy/controbersy" sells really is true  

 

 

Edited May 25, 2021 by Qapla

[Shawnster]

Because it's hard to pinpoint the first successful case? 

 

Specific successful cases aren't really that newsworthy.  It's the rare and unusual and "against the odds" stories that are newsworthy