Russia invades Ukraine

[Michał]

2 hours ago, New World Explorer said:

Even the ones from submarines and ships? (Cruise type, which Russia possesses) 

I always thought that “surprise” attack could come from sea, but I am not a military expert by any definition. 

That’s a possibility but as far as I researched it loading of tactical nukes on ships is visible to intelligence. On the other hand submarines do poses nuclear warheads but they seem to be only strategic and not tactical.

 

Wordly experts say that using strategic nukes (obliterating UK) would lead directly to WwIII (not happening according to our Bible understanding) but using tactical nukes in Ukraine against Ukrainians army may make their present allies (especially  France and Germany) force Ukraine to sign “weak” peace treaty. 
 

Anyway, listening to these analysts exposes so much selfishness and greed of human governments that I even more fervently ask for Gods Kingdom. 

[Shawnster]

2 hours ago, Paulo said:

I also have faith in the Bible, and nowhere it clearly says that the UK can or cannot be bombed.

 

 

Completely bombings the UK would destroy the King of the South.  There is no way the Anglo American world power can continue if the Anglo portion is destroyed. 

 

At least, that is my understanding. 

[Dages]

24 minutes ago, Shawnster said:

Completely bombings the UK would destroy the King of the South.  There is no way the Anglo American world power can continue if the Anglo portion is destroyed. 

 

At least, that is my understanding. 

I don't think that one nuke would erase the whole country. Even the Tsar Bomba wouldn't be able to do so. But a big city, yeah.

[Paulo]

Completely bombing the UK would destroy the UK parts that would be bombed. That is the only thing that you can be sure.

It would be a messy situation with no winners. But it would not militarily destroy the 7th, as the UK has no real power anymore. And it would not economically destroy the 7th as the UK is not the finance centre of the world anymore.

The UK has no real power anymore both in the 7th and in the King of the South.

 

 

 

 

[Shawnster]

7 minutes ago, Dages said:

I don't think that one nuke would erase the whole country. Even the Tsar Bomba wouldn't be able to do so. But a big city, yeah.

True, and I said that. 

 

10 hours ago, Shawnster said:

Oh, yes, I do not limit the use of nuclear weapons entirely.  2 have already been used last century. Another could be used in the future. 

 

I just have faith there won't be a large scale use. Too much chance for such to escalate into a holocaust 

One city is not large scale. 

 

For some reason I keep reading the responses as "total destruction of the UK.". 

 

Maybe I'm just tired 🥱

[Sofia]

4 hours ago, Paulo said:

Daniel 8:25 was put in motion in December 21st 1991.

After the falling of USSR, the USA, as the self-perceived unipolar victor, invaded and bombed many places without any declaration of war, thus bringing ruin to many in a time of peace.

🧐🧐🧐🧐

I was talking about part b from verse 25

the part where KOTS is part of gog and engages action against God s people 

[Dustparticle]

Here some on religion and war https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-priests-speak-against-war-161030059.html

 

therare recommended stories too https://news.yahoo.com/russian-orthodox-leaders-support-war-141800233.html

https://news.yahoo.com/putins-war-creates-schism-russian-142307929.html

 

Edited May 1, 2022 by Dustparticle

[Hugh O'D]

54 minutes ago, Dustparticle said:

Here some on religion and war https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-priests-speak-against-war-161030059.html

 

therare recommended stories too https://news.yahoo.com/russian-orthodox-leaders-support-war-141800233.html

https://news.yahoo.com/putins-war-creates-schism-russian-142307929.html

 

My Western European parents had a deep love for all things Greek, especially the dancing, my dad spoke Greek from several time periods, our cat was named Zorbas, my sister's name translates as Life and Wisdom which kept being said in an Orthodox church they visited in Greece. I soaked up all this until I got the truth and remember being shocked at the persecution of Jehovah's people in Greece.

 

I'm actually glad they didn't see this, it would have broken their hearts. Thanks for the links @Dustparticle

[Cool Cat]

8 hours ago, Shawnster said:

True, and I said that. 

 

One city is not large scale. 

 

For some reason I keep reading the responses as "total destruction of the UK.". 

 

Maybe I'm just tired 🥱

It would only take one rocket. 
 

Russia has been boasting about their nuclear capabilities. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

 

One missile can carry 10-14 nuclear warheads

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_independently_targetable_reentry_vehicle

 

The payload is about 400 times that of the previous 2 bombs that were dropped on people.

 

This is why those in power don’t like the mention of the potential use of nuclear weapons. It won’t be just one at a time like Hiroshima or Nagasaki and they would be much bigger.

 

[Cool Cat]

I am hoping when Matthew 24:21 and 21 says

 

“then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.  In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short…

 

It will hopefully mean that large scale and worldwide Nuclear war won’t happen. But it will get pretty terrible and be a tribulation greater than World War 1 and 2 so who knows what might happen. 🫣

 

Thats why we need to stick close to Jehovah and his organisation and be prepared for anything. The nations will faint out of fear at the potential things that may happen. - Luke 21:26 However, we must not, instead we can lift up our heads for our deliverance will be near. At least we can be a lot more prepared for bad things to happen but the world in general will be in complete shock.

[Exter]

The invasion of Ukraine is incredibly painful for Ukraine and its neighbours to bear. The war grows into a conflict between the two kings mentioned in the Bible. Other effects around it and on the world community have been discussed often enough, down to the last detail, "back and forth". "Peace and security" between the warring North and South Kings seems further away than ever! And yet it will come, 100%! For the Holy Scriptures predict it. Dear brothers, we do not do ourselves any favours to talk about it, write about when, how and why. Let us strengthen our holy faith and wait. I love you all. Albert from Germany.

[Mykyl]

What a strange conversation. 
If Russia decided to use nuclear weapons on the UK the king of the north would basically be beheaded. Moscow, St Petersburg etc would be decimated as well. 
There are always over 100 ready to be launched at any one time. 
So no. I would not expect any major attack on the UK.
Certainly not without major consequences for prophecy. 
 

[Sofia]

Hey, this article was written by a portuguese specialist in international affairs.

 

It´s interesting: https://europe-cities.com/2022/05/01/ukraines-two-wars/

"In a first conflict, we have Ukraine, supported by the United States, Europe and others (Australia, Japan), fighting Russia. In a second conflict, we have the United States, Europe and others (Australia, Japan), through Ukraine, fighting Russia. Russia, as the aggressor, is the protagonist in each of the conflicts, and it is the protagonist of anger. As for the rest, Ukraine is the protagonist in one of the conflicts, which appears to us as more evident; and we are the main “participants” of the others, asking Ukraine to “pretend” that it alone is fighting."

In the war itself, could we have had a “fusion” of the two conflicts?

 

Daniel prophecy is complete fullfillment!

[Paulo]

There is only one war in Ukraine and it started in 2014, not in 2022. And the troubles started even before that, they are 30 years old.

Then there is the propaganda, the fake news, the lies and the smokes and mirrors from both sides.

 

It is a pure KOTS vs KOTN,where the collective West is fighting Russia using Ukraine as a proxy.

[Hugh O'D]

5 hours ago, Sofia said:

In the war itself, could we have had a “fusion” of the two conflicts?

I read the translation of the article but couldn't get his two wars point. Yes different groups have different views of the war, but that's always true. 

 

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From the article 

Ukraine does not at all want to negotiate a peace that results in a concession, territorial or otherwise, to Russia. 

While technically a true statement it leaves out the the Ukrainian constitution doesn't allow the President to cede any land. Now if he got a legitimate offer that included accepting land, for example, taken in 2014 he'd probably accept it but he can't acknowledge that at the moment because the Russian side would then view that as below minimum and push for more. (I HATE negotiating with worldlings, their goal is always to take and take, not to make an agreement both can be happy with. Sadly some not worldlings are the same). 

 

Sadly his analysis that the war won't end soon because everyone wants more than others will accept is probably true. 

[Sofia]

5 hours ago, Paulo said:

It is a pure KOTS vs KOTN,where the collective West is fighting Russia using Ukraine as a proxy.

Bingo!

[Dhanyel]

There is concern about the 9th of May,Date marks the capitulation of Nazi forces to Soviet troops in 1945 and, annually, it has a traditional military parade in Moscow.  This year, war in Ukraine should be the focus of celebrations.

And they are saying that Putin will send an 'apocalyptic alert' to the West during the Victory Day event, says agency

[BLEmom]

Almost missed this update…

https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/ukraine/An-Act-Motivated-by-Love/
 

[Dages]

1 hour ago, BLEmom said:

Almost missed this update…

https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/ukraine/An-Act-Motivated-by-Love/
 

This is so unfair 

[Hugh O'D]

On 5/6/2022 at 3:31 PM, Jonadab said:

And they are saying that Putin will send an 'apocalyptic alert' to the West during the Victory Day event, says agency

Yes, there was some excitement over that, especially as today's (Tuesday May 10th)  day text was about the KOTN.

 

Instead I noticed Western comments on Putin's speech highlighted the political acumen shown, grandstanding for the nationalists while not going to far either.

 

In short the "Mad Bad Vlad" theme has to be scrapped.

He may be Bad

He's definitely Vlad

But he is NOT Mad

 

 

[Shawnster]

So, May 9th has come and gone.  Did anything happen?  Did Russia declare war?  Did Putin declare "mission accomplished?" 

[Tortuga]

2 hours ago, Shawnster said:

So, May 9th has come and gone.  Did anything happen?  Did Russia declare war?  Did Putin declare "mission accomplished?" 

Apparently not...

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-victory-day-speech-doesnt-escalate-ukraine-war-west-warned-2022-5

[Allabord4Jah]

This story in the NPR News Online May 10, 2022 on the effects this war is having worldwide:

 

The ripple effects of Russia's war in Ukraine are changing the world

Stores running out of cooking oil. Gas prices soaring. Farmers scrambling for fertilizer. Nations rethinking alliances. We zoom in on the war's seismic, far-reaching repercussions.

[Michał]

Some say Putin portrayed this war as a conflict between Russia and NATO because he wants to prepare the society for the defeat. Meaning losing to Ukraine would be a shame, losing to NATO would be understandable.

 

Time will tell how all this all unfolds. 

[New World Explorer]

3 hours ago, Michał said:

Some say Putin portrayed this war as a conflict between Russia and NATO because he wants to prepare the society for the defeat. Meaning losing to Ukraine would be a shame, losing to NATO would be understandable.

 

Time will tell how all this all unfolds. 

Perhaps his generals are reporting truth to him, hey Putin we have gained 2 meters of territory and our loses are following …and if you want us to gain 2 km quarter of the army and equipment will be lost …I am using humor of course, but it seems to me that Putin for a first time is aware that war in Ukraine is not a peace of cake. 
Another aspect is financial and economic impact of sanctions, employment loss and general flow of cash to his economy. Each day the war is waged Russia loses month of progress they made. Time is not on his side. (He was counting on 3-5 days of “special operation to take Kiev, but got huge surprise)